Microsoft Windows 7 Will Allow Downgrades too

[somestranger26]

Thanks, that explains Window's case. Can you explain i7's case ?
Though I think I read somewhere on the net that Intel said it had no real meaning.

I believe that's the same "explanation" that I've seen, that it has no real meaning.

 

[Haytch]

w7 was a beta. If you had issues with the w7 beta, then you shouldnt really complain, just feedback for repair.

XP will forever be better then Vista except ofcourse the Direct X10 stuff. XP & Vista are nolonger welcomed but we should all be gratefull for the time we spent using them.

As soon as Nvidia release their Direct X11 card later this year, there wont be any reason to use Vista or XP again.

 

[FryingWeesel]

win7 can KISS MY FAT ASS, honestly, unless they wana add back classic start menu and quick launch(pinned apps are NOT THE SAME THING)

tryed the public build of 7, it was ass compared to server 2008 x64 sp2........

and Haytch, you clearly havent use vista x64 sp2.....hell even sp1 once tweaked a bit is better then xp ever was(xp 32bit that is) and its still better then xp x64 dispite xp x64 being heads and shoulders above xp 32......

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

and Haytch, you clearly havent use vista x64 sp2.....hell even sp1 once tweaked a bit is better then xp ever was(xp 32bit that is) and its still better then xp x64 dispite xp x64 being heads and shoulders above xp 32......

"Better?"

What is better?

Ohio is better than florida.

Is the weather better? Is the hunting better?

Please use some data points as to why something is better than another, instead of "better than x bc it IS!", as that does nothing but argue in a circle and start flame wars.

Running windows 7 now, In parallels its given me a much more satisfactory beta impression, given me better performance, and "bugged the shit out of me" a LOT less.

The performance is probably attributable to the drivers, and technology maturing, but the noticable changes in windows 7 are quite nice so far IMO.

 

[Steevo]

Wiondows 7 complaints.

multiple montors with my ATI card always results in a tan screen of death.

audio output through the optic and analog at the same time isn't available.


Both features I use, or would like to use, and not availble, have to use Vista for multimonitor, and XP for audio.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Wiondows 7 complaints.

multiple montors with my ATI card always results in a tan screen of death.

audio output through the optic and analog at the same time isn't available.


Both features I use, or would like to use, and not availble, have to use Vista for multimonitor, and XP for audio.

Its beta xD

Multimonitor/audio are probably drivers issues for the manf.

 

[newtekie1]

Windows 7 is supposed to allow multiple sound outputs again, though I believe it wasn't added in the public betas, we will have to wait and see if the final release has it or not. I know it is a pain in Vista when I want to output to my TV via HDMI instead of my desktop speakers...

 

[FryingWeesel]

"Better?"

What is better?

Ohio is better than florida.

Is the weather better? Is the hunting better?

Please use some data points as to why something is better than another, instead of "better than x bc it IS!", as that does nothing but argue in a circle and start flame wars.

Running windows 7 now, In parallels its given me a much more satisfactory beta impression, given me better performance, and "bugged the shit out of me" a LOT less.

The performance is probably attributable to the drivers, and technology maturing, but the noticable changes in windows 7 are quite nice so far IMO.

server 2k8(effecitivly vista sp1 native insted of updated) is better then XP32bit and even xp 64bit for a few reasions.

1. once you get windows setup and "tweaked"(not alot of that you gotta do on 2k8, but vista, some service tweakings adviseable) is FASTER.

2. its more stable then XP32bit ever was/could be.

3. driver support has become better then xp gets in my experiance, the xp drivers for alot of newer devices are looking like sort of an after thought insted of being the first thing the company looks at/works on.

4. dx9 games GAIN perf in my experiance under 2k8/vista sp1(sp2 makes a HUGE diffrance tho, alot of games gain drastickly)

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1..._sp2_release_candidate_performance/index.html

read that link, its quite informitive, I have personaly found it to improove perf of most of my games quite dramaticly.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

If I had the time and effort, I would do a Windows 7 vs Vista SP2 comparison.

 

[DaMulta]

win7 can KISS MY FAT ASS, honestly, unless they wana add back classic start menu and quick launch(pinned apps are NOT THE SAME THING)

tryed the public build of 7, it was ass compared to server 2008 x64 sp2........

and Haytch, you clearly havent use vista x64 sp2.....hell even sp1 once tweaked a bit is better then xp ever was(xp 32bit that is) and its still better then xp x64 dispite xp x64 being heads and shoulders above xp 32......

Classic Start Bar

http://www.vistastartmenu.com/index.html

Just download this

Then your problem is fixed

How to add quick launch

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/add-the-quick-launch-bar-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-7/

Problem fix

anymore?

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Also for ATi use Windows 2003 drivers

Windows 7 is more or less 2003 upgraded.

 

[Haytch]

FryingWeesel ofcourse i have used Vista x64, thats why i prefer XP x64 in almost every aspect except when a game features DirectX10 stuff.
Please keep inmind that i stopped using a standard install of XP about 6 years ago and the only untweaked version of Vista i have used was the beta. Nlite, Vlite and their likes have been around for a long time and theres always the extra one is capable of.

XP x86 vs Vista x64 ? <--< Im sure they have mirrors in hell.

In more recent times Vista has seen an increase in performance out of hardware via updates and drivers, mainly because it started off so poorly vs the late XP. Granted XP was at a service pack stage and Vista was freshly released, but this difference was only noticed on reject o.s's such as ME. I faced the music and the hole in my pocket and just realized that Vista was a stepping stone to something better, whereas XP was the better untill the stepping stone.


If your going to bother doing a comparison, it should be as follows.
1. All 3 - XP, Vista & w7 @ release date without service packs.
2. XP SP2 Vs Vista without SP
3. Vista SP2 Vs w7

Then again, what the hell are you going to compare ? One is limited to Direct X9, the other is limited to Direct X10 and the 3rd is capable of Direct X11. . . . Are we checking for driver compatability ? Hardware issues ? Transfer rates of data ? Are we just focusing on start buttons and the location of stuff ?

 

[FryingWeesel]

acctualy when 2k first came out drivers where pretty hit and miss if you didnt have good hardware from companys that did excelent support.

XP bennifited from the fact that it used 2k drivers so it had a ready driver base.

vista requiered a new driver model, so yeah it took them alot of time to get out good drivers, and vista shouldnt have come out in its pre sp1 state, just as IMHO xp shouldnt have come out in its pre sp1 state, server 2003(same core os as xp x64) cameout in the state xp should have been in when it came out.

as to dx11, that will be made avalable for vista I would say pretty quick after 7 hits the market, IF theres any hardware to support 11 due out, if not you may have to wait for an official 11 update for vista, since theres NO POINT in having 11 if no hardware supports it

xp when it was new vs vista when it was new, they both sucked and where full of bugs.

I was in the XP beta, it was HORRIBLE, after RTM i managed to stomich xp for arounf 3-4 months and went back to 2k because i got sick of updates breaking video drivers and sound drivers and other random shit......2k was faster, far more mature, less bugs, it was a joy!!! just as xp x64/server 2003 was a joy b4 server 2008 came out(vista sp1 server)

I wont be going back to a "Desktop" platform, sever windows is alwase more reliable!!!

 

[Hayder_Master]

Downgrades

 

[Gzero]

acctualy when 2k first came out drivers where pretty hit and miss if you didnt have good hardware from companys that did excelent support.

XP bennifited from the fact that it used 2k drivers so it had a ready driver base.

vista requiered a new driver model, so yeah it took them alot of time to get out good drivers, and vista shouldnt have come out in its pre sp1 state, just as IMHO xp shouldnt have come out in its pre sp1 state, server 2003(same core os as xp x64) cameout in the state xp should have been in when it came out.

as to dx11, that will be made avalable for vista I would say pretty quick after 7 hits the market, IF theres any hardware to support 11 due out, if not you may have to wait for an official 11 update for vista, since theres NO POINT in having 11 if no hardware supports it

xp when it was new vs vista when it was new, they both sucked and where full of bugs.

I was in the XP beta, it was HORRIBLE, after RTM i managed to stomich xp for arounf 3-4 months and went back to 2k because i got sick of updates breaking video drivers and sound drivers and other random shit......2k was faster, far more mature, less bugs, it was a joy!!! just as xp x64/server 2003 was a joy b4 server 2008 came out(vista sp1 server)

I wont be going back to a "Desktop" platform, sever windows is alwase more reliable!!!

That depends on the user though. Not everyone went and switched to win 2000. I did, but I was a gamer more than a pc enthusiast back then, and it was a disappointment as game after game that relied on Directx refused to work right. When XP came it was great, it was cleaner than 98 and felt like win 2000. So what it bsod a lot? Many had problems with Win 95 and Win 98, at least XP was a step forward.

Unfortunately Microsoft have messed up adding in all these different licenses that just confuse everyone. If they had kept it to just 2, vista would have flew of the shelf's regardless of the hiccups.

I'm not sure Microsoft should bother with 'Downgrade' idea, here's a better one: Release Windows XP Pro for free!
They would conquer market share (I'm a PC, my OS is finally FREE).

 

[Katanai]

I get far less BSODs in Vista or 7 than I ever have in XP. Vista SP1 x64 is far more stable than XP.

I wasn't talking about consumer OS's. We all have XP at work, except a few "trendy" guys who don't mind making troubles for everybody, and more than 1500 PC's all running XP don't know what a blue screen is, or any unrecoverable error for that matter. The few guys running Vista are constantly asking around for others to print their stuff, get blue screens etc. They all love it though and swear on it...

 

[Gzero]

Katanai, you just highlighted the major point: the OS is stable, people are not!

 

[a_ump]

i don't get the whole downgrades thing?? um, why would they give you the option to downgrade when the OS is probly going to be more expensive than XP or Vista at it's release. Who would buy the OS then downgrade anyways? i haven't used it but it apparently is expected to be microsofts best OS to date since 98/2000

 

[fereiral]

Hola, donde lo puedo bajar en español...

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

server 2k8(effecitivly vista sp1 native insted of updated) is better then XP32bit and even xp 64bit for a few reasions.

1. once you get windows setup and "tweaked"(not alot of that you gotta do on 2k8, but vista, some service tweakings adviseable) is FASTER.

2. its more stable then XP32bit ever was/could be.

3. driver support has become better then xp gets in my experiance, the xp drivers for alot of newer devices are looking like sort of an after thought insted of being the first thing the company looks at/works on.

4. dx9 games GAIN perf in my experiance under 2k8/vista sp1(sp2 makes a HUGE diffrance tho, alot of games gain drastickly)

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1..._sp2_release_candidate_performance/index.html

read that link, its quite informitive, I have personaly found it to improove perf of most of my games quite dramaticly.

Wasn't this thread about windows 7

 

[FryingWeesel]

Classic Start Bar

http://www.vistastartmenu.com/index.html

Just download this

Then your problem is fixed

How to add quick launch

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/add-the-quick-launch-bar-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-7/

Problem fix

anymore?

---

Also for ATi use Windows 2003 drivers

Windows 7 is more or less 2003 upgraded.

that start menu is NOT the classic start menu, it is closer then the one built into 7 but its still not what im talking about

does that quicklaunch work with ANY windows 7 version or is it limmited to a spicific build?

 

[PVTCaboose1337]

I will switch to Windows 7 when it comes OUT of beta. Reasons? Wireless PCI card drivers have to work right for me in 64 bit. They never do. Not in Vista at least. When the final version of 7 comes out, I'll pick up a copy right away, the legal way.

 

[FryingWeesel]

That depends on the user though. Not everyone went and switched to win 2000. I did, but I was a gamer more than a pc enthusiast back then, and it was a disappointment as game after game that relied on Directx refused to work right. When XP came it was great, it was cleaner than 98 and felt like win 2000. So what it bsod a lot? Many had problems with Win 95 and Win 98, at least XP was a step forward.

Unfortunately Microsoft have messed up adding in all these different licenses that just confuse everyone. If they had kept it to just 2, vista would have flew of the shelf's regardless of the hiccups.

I'm not sure Microsoft should bother with 'Downgrade' idea, here's a better one: Release Windows XP Pro for free!
They would conquer market share (I'm a PC, my OS is finally FREE).

I have never understood why so many people say 2k cant game or sucks for games, Thats all i really did back then and 2k worked great, as long as you had decent hardware(stuff that had proper drivers) it worked GREAT, ATI took FOREVER to get 2k drivers out for the rage128, but nvidia's 2k drivers where great.

rarely i had to run the compat tools(installed off the windows disk, xp has them as well) but once they put out sp1 most games just installed no problem(the biggist thing was the game not recognizing the windows version, same as it is with 2k3/vista for some older games.)

nt4 was crap for games, but 2k was great, just make sure you got decent hardware+drivers and you where set!!!!

 

[Gzero]

Frying Weesel, I had a ti 4600 (actually I might have had an earlier card, I can't remember the exact time when I tried so I'll list the cards I had around that time: 256 gts, ti 500), I had the latest beta of nvidia drivers for developers (yes the special login for developers into nvidia's site), and I still had directx issues with that rally game I can't remember the name of that was much better than Mcrae, it had an awesome damage model for the cars.

 

[DaMulta]

that start menu is NOT the classic start menu, it is closer then the one built into 7 but its still not what im talking about

does that quicklaunch work with ANY windows 7 version or is it limmited to a spicific build?

That quick launch fix works with any windows 7 build. That start menu is close, and really is what MS SHOULD of put in 7. It works like wonders, and when you get used to it there is no going back.

 

[ShadowFold]

When is the 7 RC x64 going to come out? I know I saw the x86 RC but that's poop.