The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

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No. its a valid point.

What im trying to get at is that somehow Publishers need to be put in a bad spot and be forced to change their ways. Since all the issues with buying legit thats ive read in this thread are all caused by them. Just like Music companies have been forced to change by the emergence of itunes and a shift of the majority buying CD's, to the majority buying MP3's. Publishers need a kick in the pants.

 

[IcrushitI]

that is the truest thing I have heard in a long time

Thats only if your going after the copyright material, you should know better. There is so much legal stuff to download, Linux, TV shows etc, CBC documentaries, theirs so much more to download from p2p,I can't list them all.
Have a question to the group. If a copyrighted program has been changed from the original by someone else, does it still make it illegal to download since it isn't the original. As far as I'm concerned the changed program is owned by the person who uploaded it. Just a thought.

 

[FryingWeesel]

Just adding my two cents on the Australia Issue:

I Support Pirating. BECAUSE:

Music Companies wont change their prices untill they are forced too. Look at Metalica. They released an Album online as MP3's even after 10 years of Anti-Napster, Anti-Download bs.
ITunes and Mobile Phone downloads make a fortune. And in Australia, the cost of CD's has gone down. It used to be $35/album. now its $20/album.

Game Publishers are largely to blame for games being pushed early without being properly completed. I have a friend who worked on the PS2 version of Starwars: Forces Unleashed and the Xbox version of Viva Pinata.
According to him Publishers give the dev rights to the company that can do it the fastest, cheapest and drop that developer if they miss even ONE milestone.
Poor bastard has had so many all-nighter work sessions...
STEAM allows game developers to skip publishers all together. So if you want to help change the way the industry is, buy from steam.

STEAM is BLAH, if you want to see a good company that offers a KICKASS game engine AND service to sell your games AND even allow you to distribute them via web browser check this out.
http://instantaction.com brought to you by the guys at http://www.garagegames.com/

also stardock publishes for independant devs as well, not just larger more known devs like gas powered games.

Steam is an "ok" option, but i feel that IA and stardocks "impulse driven" service offer a better option for most game developers to get their indi games out for the masses.

Who will pay for that game to be made ?

I don't want to come across as a dick but thats a pretty big flaw

the developers will, You know most of the long term successfull dev houses started out making games using their own money to fund said projects, take a look at the games on http://instantaction.com they dont got a "publisher" forcing them to get games out b4 they are ready, infact IA/GG would rather the devs get it ready for openbeta, then offer the openbeta via IA, on into the full game, this means the game dosnt go "retail" till its truely ready to do so.

btw little hist about GG, it was started by ex-dynamix employees when sierra/vug closed down the company, they bought the rights to the "dark star" game engine(the engine used in tribes1 and starsiege) and have spent years enhancing and advancing it, its ever bit as capable as the big name engines, and the bit bennifit of using it over those big name engines is COST, you can get an indi licence for $295USD, they offer other licence options that keep the cost down for developers and allow them to produce and sell games at a reasonable price.

http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-3D

i know some of the IA/GG guys pretty well, and if you need help, somebody will most likely be willing to take a few min and give you some, they are great guys.

 

[FryingWeesel]

Thats only if your going after the copyright material, you should know better. There is so much legal stuff to download, Linux, TV shows etc, CBC documentaries, theirs so much more to download from p2p,I can't list them all.
Have a question to the group. If a copyrighted program has been changed from the original by someone else, does it still make it illegal to download since it isn't the original. As far as I'm concerned the changed program is owned by the person who uploaded it. Just a thought.

tv shows arent leigal to download in the US, nobody really goes after shows that are on free tv stations, but HBO and other "preimum" service shows(dead like me and stargate where good examples) are NOT safe to download.(well both those shows are now safe to download mostly, but only because they have aired on scifi chan)

 

[DaMulta]

Why not pirate?

You get everything for FREE. It's a WIN WIN situation!

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Why not pirate?

You get everything for FREE. It's a WIN WIN situation!

I totally agree but peerguardian or proxy is a good thing to have.

 

[Triprift]

Pirate bay lives that all im worried about and D no more post like last night ya mega scared me saying PB was down.

 

[FryingWeesel]

Why not pirate?

You get everything for FREE. It's a WIN WIN situation!

hey, I aint gonna say I am not a pirate, but I will point out when somebody elses logic/facts are FLAWED.

I go a "viking" quite regularly(the word viking orignaly ment something like roaming, and was not the name of a spicific group of people)

I sales the dark underbelly of the intranetz, I know where to go when I need something I cant afford or refuse to buy(fuck buying anything from atari,vug,EA or their ilk)

I do feel i have some justification in my actions, and if I really like something I endup buying it, normaly if its a VUG/atari/EA product i get it 2nd hand for 5-10bucks, way i see it, they dont deserve my money after the ammoung all of them have taken without giving me back proper value(support)

TPB sucks, but i do use their trackers at times on torrents I MAKE(mostly audio books i make using text to speech software, stuff thats not got audio versions avalable and/or is out of print)

i use a few other sites, wont name any here, ya dirty heathans aint getting my sorces

 

[FryingWeesel]

I totally agree but peerguardian or proxy is a good thing to have.

peerguardian is a JOKE, its USELESS
http://fora.demonoid.com/index.php?topic=25342.0
read that post, it explains why using peerguardian is STUPID and just gives people a false sence of security.

I do use a filters.ini with utorrent, but it mostly blocks those companys that seed fake parts to torrents so i dont gotta wait at 99.9% for a week trying to get a valid part

 

[DaMulta]

Well we all know News Groups FTW

 

[DaedalusHelios]

peerguardian is a JOKE, its USELESS
http://fora.demonoid.com/index.php?topic=25342.0
read that post, it explains why using peerguardian is STUPID and just gives people a false sence of security.

I do use a filters.ini with utorrent, but it mostly blocks those companys that seed fake parts to torrents so i dont gotta wait at 99.9% for a week trying to get a valid part

Its useful according to the release groups that make and distribute the hacks.... but I guess you know more than them? Its in many different groups' release notes.

Hey maybe you are right but I would trust the releasers of the content more than a random guy on the internet. But you could be right so I will not debate it with you.

Well we all know News Groups FTW

My favorite to fall back on is IRC. I can find just about anything that way.

 

[IcrushitI]

tv shows arent leigal to download in the US, nobody really goes after shows that are on free tv stations, but HBO and other "preimum" service shows(dead like me and stargate where good examples) are NOT safe to download.(well both those shows are now safe to download mostly, but only because they have aired on scifi chan)

I don't see the difference, our cableboxes have hard drives in them so you can record, and that is any program,tv shows, movies. To download from the net is no difference, its all coming down the same pipeline. One of the selling points for the PVR is to be able to record what ever you want, so I do. If the HD movie is good I'll transfer to the computer and put it on dvd.
When I signed up with cable, its also my internet provider,nowhere in my contract does it say I can't download specific items off the net. Nowhere does it say I can't download copyrighted material. All it says is what package I'm getting and how much its going to cost. If downloading copyrighted material was illegal, you would think their would be a disclaimer on the contract making me aware of it, so I can't hold them responsible for not explaining to me what I can and can't do. Big grey area here in Canada. As most of you are aware we pay taxes on blank media so copyright holders get paid. Again more grey area. Which is why I like our governing system.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

As most of you are aware we pay taxes on blank media so copyright holders get paid. Again more grey area. Which is why I like our governing system.

I would not like that... thats crazy.

 

[IcrushitI]

I would not like that... thats crazy.

No its not crazy, we are by law allowed to download music, its a better system then having the RIAA Gestapo send letters to people and extort money because the majority can't afford to fight them in court.Thats the American way Someone from the WhiteHouse probably sent out a directive to the RIAA not to clog up the courts with frivolous music downloaders. Do what ever you want, extortion works. Can you imagine what more of a laughing stock the USA would be if they started sending thousands of music downloaders to prison because they couldn't pay $75,000 or more per song. Thier system is a complete joke. Sig Hiel to their Kapitalism gone Kaput.

 

[troyrae360]

so do you canadins need to pay the extra tax on your 1tb HD's as well? or is it just for cd/dvd?

 

[Hayder_Master]

It would be cheaper for me to pay you $10 and postage, have you thought of reselling.

good deal fro me , but the i have problem with shipment i also like buy some good stuff from outside like pc parts , but there is no way right now for cheap shipment

Won't it be in arabic

no , it is like what you use , like original one

I can just hear the board of American tourism now:

"Come to Iraq for the cheap DVDs and stay for the IEDs!"

, i see always the american soldiers buy video and audio cd's from our markets

 

[IcrushitI]

so do you canadins need to pay the extra tax on your 1tb HD's as well? or is it just for cd/dvd?

Just cd dvd.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Apparently, the water under this subject is starting to boil:
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/20/a-turning-point-for-online-piracy/

An excerpt:

There was plenty of online chatter this weekend about file sharing and Internet piracy.

This follows Friday’s news that four people who ran a popular file-sharing site called Pirate Bay were found guilty of violating copyright law in Sweden.

On Forbes.com, a Harvard professor says Google is the new Pirate Bay. The search engine serves the same function as the piracy sites by enabling people to steal copyrighted content, the professor says.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

No its not crazy, we are by law allowed to download music, its a better system then having the RIAA Gestapo send letters to people and extort money because the majority can't afford to fight them in court.Thats the American way Someone from the WhiteHouse probably sent out a directive to the RIAA not to clog up the courts with frivolous music downloaders. Do what ever you want, extortion works. Can you imagine what more of a laughing stock the USA would be if they started sending thousands of music downloaders to prison because they couldn't pay $75,000 or more per song. Thier system is a complete joke. Sig Hiel to their Kapitalism gone Kaput.

Oh yeah Canada is the best place in the world. Its definately not the worst place, but I don't see the need for nationalistic statements supporting Canada either. Its only natural for these organizations to target the largest markets and "largest offenders" first to them. Canada just laid down and taxed its people to give these content providers some cash.... thats the definition of extortion.

If they succeed in the big markets they will move onto smaller markets like Canada. Your tax on media doesn't protect you. I wonder what made you think it did. It was a victory for content providers and not the public.

Copyrights are protected by international treaties that Canada signed.

 

[Relayer]

Oh yeah Canada is the best place in the world. Its definately not the worst place, but I don't see the need for nationalistic statements supporting Canada either. Its only natural for these organizations to target the largest markets and "largest offenders" first to them. Canada just laid down and taxed its people to give these content providers some cash.... thats the definition of extortion.

If they succeed in the big markets they will move onto smaller markets like Canada. Your tax on media doesn't protect you. I wonder what made you think it did. It was a victory for content providers and not the public.

Copyrights are protected by international treaties that Canada signed.

Agreed! This is fining everyone whether they deserve it or not. Typical socialistic mentality.

 

[FryingWeesel]

Its useful according to the release groups that make and distribute the hacks.... but I guess you know more than them? Its in many different groups' release notes.

Hey maybe you are right but I would trust the releasers of the content more than a random guy on the internet. But you could be right so I will not debate it with you.





My favorite to fall back on is IRC. I can find just about anything that way.

yeah and if a car sales man tells you that dumping some sawdust in your engin block will make it knock less your gonna belive them to.....

i been doing this for years, the number of people i see that get letters when RUNNING PG2 with FULLY UPDATED LISTS is far higher then that of people who dont run that crap.

as to hacks/cracks, NOBODY CARES ABOUT HACKS and CRACKS.

but hey, enjoy your slow download speeds AND huge false sence of security, i tryed to help, i even gave a link with HIGHLY detailed explination of why PG2 sucks and is utterly useless.

corse anybody whos been in "the scene" or saling the high seas of the intranetz under belly very long already knows that pg2 isnt gonna stop all the spys the riaa/mpaa/exct pay to download this shit just to log your ip addy(its nolonger just done from company offices, its mostly done from HOMES now.

i will have to show some people off the noid irc your posts....they will enjoy the lulz of yet another ***** thinking pg2 is saving them from getting a letter!!!

 

[TheMailMan78]

, i see always the american soldiers buy video and audio cd's from our markets

Ya know man after I said that I thought it might be taken the wrong way. I'm really glad you took it as humor and not a dig at your country man.

 

[IcrushitI]

Copyrights are protected by international treaties that Canada signed.

Sometimes it takes a person from a developing nation to cut to the core, here is his quote And I have underlined what I have been trying to get across.

One user from India writes, "When I use uTorrent to download torrent files from TPB I notice most of my peers are from rich countries downloading the same music I want but is prohibitively expensive in my country. Why are they downloading too if they are citizens of developed countries? It is only because they too feel that they are being over-charged for their entertainment about which they can do nothing but take subversive measures against the injustice and exploitation of cartels who have used their influence in government to enact laws which makes their own consumers thieves." When someone "feels" overcharged for something they want, taking it instead has become ethically allowable—a point confirmed by the fact that "millions of users" are doing it.

 

[FryingWeesel]

Well we all know News Groups FTW

damn comcast, they dont give me unlimmited news downloads >.<

 

[TheMailMan78]

Sometimes it takes a person from a developing nation to cut to the core, here is his quote And I have underlined what I have been trying to get across.

One user from India writes, "When I use uTorrent to download torrent files from TPB I notice most of my peers are from rich countries downloading the same music I want but is prohibitively expensive in my country. Why are they downloading too if they are citizens of developed countries? It is only because they too feel that they are being over-charged for their entertainment about which they can do nothing but take subversive measures against the injustice and exploitation of cartels who have used their influence in government to enact laws which makes their own consumers thieves." When someone "feels" overcharged for something they want, taking it instead has become ethically allowable—a point confirmed by the fact that "millions of users" are doing it.

I feel over charged for a lot of things. Theft never crossed my mind however.