AMD Comments on EC Ruling that Intel Violated EU Law, Harmed Consumers

[fullinfusion]

since i upgraded from my 9950 to a 940 it felt better and faster now from a 940 to a 955 it feels almost the same

go Higher than 4GHz on the cpu and you'll a huge jump in marks than a DDR2 940 gives ya..... But not till the 4.+++GHz barrier

 

[a_ump]

you could have a chimpanzee riding a bike insted of a cpu and you would not notice the difference , is like a car with a fine and advanced engine versus a souped up up old engine. there is a difference in the experience of driving both even though you deny it.

yea idk where u come from, but your dis respectful posts are not welcome at TPU. If you have a problem then PM him, in posts get your point across in a non disrespectful way.

God Wile your talking the olden days mate!
PI vs PII... Well there is no comparison! all i do is Game... and batch convert video.... I tell ya PI vs PII is a joke!!
You upgrade and than you'll know what im talking about....

Intel's I7 @ 4+ GHz to a PII under similar clocks is so freakin close when Converting and Gaming it isn't even funny.... Hmmm $ for $ id say go PII.... you wont notice a difference
Only If you run benches that has been rittin for a specific not to mention chip

well even gaming benchies between i7 920 and Phenom II 940 show almost no difference in gaming 1280x1024+ with max eye candy. all those tests of 1024x768, 1280x1024 with lowest settings doesn't tell me shit lol. I would definitely go Phenom II and still plan to go AMD with my next build. but that's going to wait till my q6600 lets me down which i don't see happening for probly one more year. i7 i don't even know the purpose of it really...when phenom II gaming performs the same, well ok 1-5fps difference.

 

[lism]

nor have i and i have an AMD in fact intel's old netburst architecture rendered better than K8 did so it would make me believe it continues to render better...

Try a 8 or 12 core AMD or Intel server, where AMD just performs better due the scaling-possibilitys. The older Opteron would always perform better then a equalevent Intel-setup. Why? Because of the HT. It offers way more bandwith then Intel has with their Quad-pumped FSB.

In their latest CPU, Intel uses mostly the same technology. AMD is being more innovative. And AMD should also have a chance in CPU-world. Not just 90% dominated by Intel only. AMD was the one that kicked their asses and quit netburst-technology.

 

[fullinfusion]

yea idk where u come from, but your dis respectful posts are not welcome at TPU. If you have a problem then PM him, in posts get your point across in a non disrespectful way.



well even gaming benchies between i7 920 and Phenom II 940 show almost no difference in gaming 1280x1024+ with max eye candy. all those tests of 1024x768, 1280x1024 with lowest settings doesn't tell me shit lol. I would definitely go Phenom II and still plan to go AMD with my next build. but that's going to wait till my q6600 lets me down which i don't see happening for probly one more year. i7 i don't even know the purpose of it really...when phenom II gaming performs the same, well ok 1-5fps difference.

Well im sure your Intel chip is just as reliable as my AM chip is..... And gaming.... well its all good lol.... But All im saying is game all ya want Brother.... both are just the same!!!! but if your converting video? Amd is as good as it gets!.... well Dollar for dollar

 

[fullinfusion]

Try a 8 or 12 core AMD or Intel server, where AMD just performs better due the scaling-possibilitys. The older Opteron would always perform better then a equalevent Intel-setup. Why? Because of the HT. It offers way more bandwith then Intel has with their Quad-pumped FSB.

In their latest CPU, Intel uses mostly the same technology. AMD is being more innovative. And AMD should also have a chance in CPU-world. Not just 90% dominated by Intel only. AMD was the one that kicked their asses and quit netburst-technology.

SKYNET USES AMD!!!! LOL

 

[Wile E]

you could have a chimpanzee riding a bike insted of a cpu and you would not notice the difference , is like a car with a fine and advanced engine versus a souped up up old engine. there is a difference in the experience of driving both even though you deny it.

I DID notice the difference. The Intel is faster AND smoother all the way around. The Phenom I is not smoother at all. Anyone that says otherwise either didn't compare similar systems, or just want to justify their Phenom I purchase.

God Wile your talking the olden days mate!
PI vs PII... Well there is no comparison! all i do is Game... and batch convert video.... I tell ya PI vs PII is a joke!!
You upgrade and than you'll know what im talking about....

Intel's I7 @ 4+ GHz to a PII under similar clocks is so freakin close when Converting and Gaming it isn't even funny.... Hmmm $ for $ id say go PII.... you wont notice a difference between the two
Only If you run benches that has been rittin for a specific not to mention chip

i7 CRUSHES PhII in encoding. It's not even funny how much faster it is. Now gaming, yes, the PhII runs with i7, as most games are gpu limited anyway.

And I'm comparing PhI because snakeoil said that the monolith design is better. If the monolith design is so important, why did Phenom I suck so bad compared to Intel? That was my point, number of DICE aren't important, only the end results.

 

[Wile E]

Try a 8 or 12 core AMD or Intel server, where AMD just performs better due the scaling-possibilitys. The older Opteron would always perform better then a equalevent Intel-setup. Why? Because of the HT. It offers way more bandwith then Intel has with their Quad-pumped FSB.

In their latest CPU, Intel uses mostly the same technology. AMD is being more innovative. And AMD should also have a chance in CPU-world. Not just 90% dominated by Intel only. AMD was the one that kicked their asses and quit netburst-technology.

Yeah, but the argument wasn't HT vs FSB, it was monolith vs multi-die package on the desktop platform. I don't think anyone would deny HT is better than FSB.

 

[fullinfusion]

I DID notice the difference. The Intel is faster AND smoother all the way around. The Phenom I is not smoother at all. Anyone that says otherwise either didn't compare similar systems, or just want to justify their Phenom I purchase.



i7 CRUSHES PhII in encoding. It's not even funny how much faster it is. Now gaming, yes, the PhII runs with i7, as most games are gpu limited anyway.

And I'm comparing PhI because snakeoil said that the monolith design is better. If the monolith design is so important, why did Phenom I suck so bad compared to Intel? That was my point, number of DICE aren't important, only the end results.

Encoding? you wanna go HD... I doubt it!!! My PI was close to the I7.... this PII will run numbers very close to an I7!!! If not the same!

 

[Wile E]

Encoding? you wanna go HD... I doubt it!!! My PI was close to the I7.... this PII will run numbers very close to an I7!!! If not the same!

You better check that again. i7 stomps Phenom II in encoding. Phenom II is Yorkfields match, not i7.

 

[snakeoil]

i7 CRUSHES PhII in encoding. It's not even funny how much faster it is. Now gaming, yes, the PhII runs with i7, as most games are gpu limited anyway.

And I'm comparing PhI because snakeoil said that the monolith design is better. If the monolith design is so important, why did Phenom I suck so bad compared to Intel? That was my point, number of DICE aren't important, only the end results.

core i7 was introduced in 2008 and today is only the 1% of intel sales which means that people is not buying it. why? because is expensive. power hungry and hot as a blast furnace.
the amd dragon platform is much better value.

 

[Wile E]

Encoding? you wanna go HD... I doubt it!!! My PI was close to the I7.... this PII will run numbers very close to an I7!!! If not the same!

Real quick find on Google: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=28

core i7 was introduced in 2008 and today is only the 1% of intel sales which means that people is not buying it. why? because is expensive. power hungry and hot as a blast furnace.
the amd dragon platform is much better value.

What if I have the money to spend on i7? What if I want maximum performance, and am not concerned with price? And last, why are you changing the subject to value? We were talking monolith vs multi die a second ago.

 

[fullinfusion]

You better check that again. i7 stomps Phenom II in encoding. Phenom II is Yorkfields match, not i7.

Well i ran a HD encode against an I7... I7 4.0GHz... my 9840 @ 3.1GHz... very very close... The 9850 beat the I7 in the 1st test than thats where the I7 took off... i havent took the 940 for a spin in the same game but im sure as i sit here is it will Stomp the I7 in the 1st test and trail not by far in the ending 2nd test.... all im saying is $ for $ go AMD!!!!

 

[fullinfusion]

Real quick find on Google: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=28

What if I have the money to spend on i7? What if I want maximum performance, and am not concerned with price? And last, why are you changing the subject to value? We were talking monolith vs multi die a second ago.

And you believe what you read?
Thats just what they use for testing ...... It really doesn't test what the rest of the world is using...

 

[snakeoil]

What if I have the money to spend on i7? What if I want maximum performance, and am not concerned with price? And last, why are you changing the subject to value? We were talking monolith vs multi die a second ago.

i hope you enjoy the heat because you are going to have tons of it with core i7.
99.93% of the people cares about value.

 

[Wile E]

Well i ran a HD encode against an I7... I7 4.0GHz... my 9840 @ 3.1GHz... very very close... The 9850 beat the I7 in the 1st test than thats where the I7 took off... i havent took the 940 for a spin in the same game but im sure as i sit here is it will Stomp the I7 in the 1st test and trail not by far in the ending 2nd test.... all im saying is $ for $ go AMD!!!!

i7 beats PhII in the first pass as well. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=27

And if budget is a concern, AMD may be the right choice, but it still is no match for i7 in power.

At any rate, this all stemmed from the comment that a monolith is better, but my point is that isn't always the case. PhI certainly wasn't better.

 

[mlee49]

core i7 was introduced in 2008 and today is only the 1% of intel sales which means that people is not buying it. why? because is expensive. power hungry and hot as a blast furnace.
the amd dragon platform is much better value.

Um I dont think so. I know AMD has always been the budget route, but what about the Q6600, its the best aged Quad on the market and sub PI price point yet the pricing is $10 difference. Better examples of the Phenom rival are the Q8200 and Q9300, moot on price but preformance favors the intel.

Plus the reason Intel has smaller percentage sales is cause they back fill the chips periodically. IE the Q8200 and Q9300 aforementioned.

 

[fullinfusion]

i7 beats PhII in the first pass as well. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=27

And if budget is a concern, AMD may be the right choice, but it still is no match for i7 in power.

At any rate, this all stemmed from the comment that a monolith is better, but my point is that isn't always the case. PhI certainly wasn't better.

I hear ya but i know the PII is faster in MY OWN HD encode TEST #1 than I7... Heck the PI still ran numbers by the hair to I7... but anyways your right.... lets not hy Jack this thread over numbers

 

[Wile E]

And you believe what you read?
Thats just what they use for testing ...... It really doesn't test what the rest of the world is using...

You seriously need to do some research. PhII can match or beat Yorkfield and older. It cannot come close to i7 in encoding. I don't know where you got that idea, but it's completely false. It's already been proven time and time again.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-955,2278-7.html

EDIT: Sorry, cross posted.

 

[mlee49]

This argument has been well established, since day one of the PII it has been on par with the Kentsfiled's.

 

[fullinfusion]

This argument has been well established, since day one of the PII it has been on par with the Kentsfiled's.

Thank you!!!

 

[Wile E]

Thank you!!!

Kentsfield is Q6600, not i7.

 

[fullinfusion]

You seriously need to do some research. PhII can match or beat Yorkfield and older. It cannot come close to i7 in encoding. I don't know where you got that idea, but it's completely false. It's already been proven time and time again.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-955,2278-7.html

EDIT: Sorry, cross posted.

Oh for Christ sakes!!!! shall we run benches again or what?
I proved it in another thread with ya W!!!!
Im talking real PEOPLE results..... not a net site you read

 

[fullinfusion]

Kentsfield is Q6600, not i7.

Really? haha I know Bro... im just sayin

 

[snakeoil]

You seriously need to do some research. PhII can match or beat Yorkfield and older. It cannot come close to i7 in encoding. I don't know where you got that idea, but it's completely false. It's already been proven time and time again.

you are really like wilee coyote, you dont learn from your errors

 

[Wile E]

Oh for Christ sakes!!!! shall we run benches again or what?
I proved it in another thread with ya W!!!!
Im talking real PEOPLE results..... not a net site you read

I don't have i7, so it wasn't me. I already know PhII is a match for Yorkfield, but I want to see it match i7.

Start a thread with a video file, a program to use, and have people post results with cpuz screens and the whole shebang.

I guarantee i7 takes the thread.