AMD Staring at 140W Barrier with Phenom II X4 965?

[a_ump]

can i say no...? lol yea but you kno how it is when you get into that heated debate with another member . eh 140TDP who cares, no body that is interested in buying high end pc's.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

real men use real (hot) cores

 

[Baam]

Cheapest Phenom II 955 combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.212169

Cheapest i7 combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.213702

Almost $200 difference.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Honestly I was expecting more out of a 140w chip. Kinda a let down from AMD.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

This thread has nothing to do with i7 so stop while you're ahead. There's plenty of other threads to take your i7 discussion to.

split plz?

 

[TheMailMan78]

real men use real (hot) cores

We AMD boys like our CPU's like we like our women. Hot and fast.

 

[Steevo]

And four real ones at a time.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

And four real ones at a time.

I only have one...


CPU....

 

[btarunr]

there are a few things that Phenom(II) users cant deny

1. they have to suffer the heat
2. they have to suffer the price which is higher than Core 2 (PII 955 @ 249, while C2Q 9550 @ $219)
3. they cant deny that they need a high end cooler if they want to overclock past 3.80 GHz
4. they cant deny that they need a well ventilated case which is expensive.
5. they cant deny that the Core i7 platform is superior to the AMD platform, whichever graphics cards you use, SLI or CrossFire on the same chipset
6. they cant deny that intel graphics are a disgrace and a shame and its not getting any better (which has nothing to do with Core 2 Quad, Core i7, or even Phenom II users
7. they cant deny that K10 is end of life old architecture (8 years old), while Nehalem is 8 months old
etc.

Fixed a few things. As promised, you won't be posting here anymore.

http://img.techpowerup.org/090710/Capture027286.jpg

100$ cheaper and same overclocking performance.

$18 cheaper, faster.

 

[Kei]

yes, Core i7 can run at 0.88 V idle

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3593&p=2

Thanks Wolf, but I mean for the normal use voltage? I don't know the stock voltage of the processor you're talking about but are they able to enjoy the same ability to drop the voltage and just leave it there (not just idle voltages).

I like overclocking, but tend to have more fun when undervolting a system making it run as efficiently as it possibly can while using as close to no energy as possible. I wonder what the stable voltage is for an Intel quad in comparison to their stock voltage. For sure they can go lower, but how low I wonder without having to slow the system down or risk instability.

I really think I can get the AMD X2 4050e system I just built for my sister to run almost no voltage at all and still be stable. It should be fun to try out. I'm still working on the X2 7750 setup I just put together for a friend to see if we can get the voltage lower. With my old 9850 Phenom I was able to get down to 1.088v @ 2.7Ghz still using all four cores so I hope maybe with only using those 2 cores we can get lower on the 7750 since it's also a Phenom I family member.

Kei

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Fixed a few things. As promised, you won't be posting here anymore.

Have a brew on me

 

[Flyordie]

Who will be the first to 4Ghz? Take your pick...

 

[btarunr]

It wouldn't matter, just as Intel reaching 3.80 GHz with its Cedarmill Pentium 4 didn't matter as far as competition went.

 

[Mussels]

AMD netburst, eh?

 

[Flyordie]

Yeah, but its Quad, not single and chucks out WAY less heat.
If you bin a Deneb right, you should be able to wiggle down to 125W TDP @ 4Ghz.

 

[eidairaman1]

i believe AMD is reaching the Thermal Barrier of the Current Arch, sort of what happened with the Athlon XP at 3200.

 

[Flyordie]

i believe AMD is reaching the Thermal Barrier of the Current Arch, sort of what happened with the Athlon XP at 3200.

Yeah, 4 to 4.2 is the best they could really do with this with 4 cores...
3 cores could get 4.3-4.35
2 cores could get 4.5..
1 core should get 5.0

 

[Mussels]

both AMD and intel always have the chips run a good percentage above required volts. The reason is that when they go on shit OEM motherboards, they get vdroop and it needs to counter that.

They cant just release chips that work at EXACTLY the needed voltage to save power and heat, without knocking out their biggest buyers.

oh noes i7 runs warm you remember the athlonXP days? before barton, they were hot as hell - intel have got die shrinks and i5 due real soon just like AMD had barton. intel have 32nm chips very close to release, while on the AMD side... they have 140W chips close to release.

AMD fanboys just need to realise that this isnt the P4 days - Intel are ahead.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, 4 to 4.2 is the best they could really do with this with 4 cores...
3 cores could get 4.3-4.35
2 cores could get 4.5..
1 core should get 5.0

its not clocks im worried about its the TDP now.

 

[Flyordie]

both AMD and intel always have the chips run a good percentage above required volts. The reason is that when they go on shit OEM motherboards, they get vdroop and it needs to counter that.

They cant just release chips that work at EXACTLY the needed voltage to save power and heat, without knocking out their biggest buyers.

oh noes i7 runs warm you remember the athlonXP days? before barton, they were hot as hell - intel have got die shrinks and i5 due real soon just like AMD had barton. intel have 32nm chips very close to release, while on the AMD side... they have 140W chips close to release.

AMD fanboys just need to get their heads out of their asses the sand, and realise that this isnt the P4 days - Intel are ahead.

Im not denying that... im just saying it within the realm of AMD only...

its not clocks im worried about its the TDP now.

those 4Ghz+ clocks would all be under 140W TDP... (or should be if binned right)
Remember, my PII is at 3.4Ghz and only kicking out a TDP of about 95-100W

 

[Mussels]

those 4Ghz+ clocks would all be under 140W TDP... (or should be if binned right)
Remember, my PII is at 3.4Ghz and only kicking out a TDP of about 95-100W

are you running at the minimum voltage for that, or are you 3-4 notches higher? i made this point.

 

[Flyordie]

are you running at the minimum voltage for that, or are you 3-4 notches higher? i made this point.

I am actually running 1.375V @ 3.4Ghz. Some VERY minor VDroop takes it to 1.374V though...

 

[btarunr]

If you bin a Deneb right, you should be able to wiggle down to 125W TDP @ 4Ghz.

And you think they're going to come across even 2500 of such dies (2500 is the standard wholesale stock quantity)?

 

[Flyordie]

And you think they're going to come across even 2500 of such dies (2500 is the standard wholesale stock quantity)?

with the rumored C3... yes. They may have to disable a memory controller to do it, but its possible. They could also keep it below 140W and still be fine.

 

[btarunr]

They may have to disable a memory controller to do it, but its possible.

== memory sub-system/bandwidth fail.