Sempron 140 Unlocks to Athlon II X2

[newtekie1]

no. im saying that putting the cheapest stuff into pcs cripples them. i really dont get how a company sold a pc with 128mb ram and windows Xp on it

if you would you build a pc with this Sempron and put it 512mb ram and then installed Vista on it. you would have the same effect that i saw on that Celeron.

You arguments up until now had nothing to do with the cheapest stuff going into PCs, it was about the usefulness of single core processors like this Sempron.

And while 512MB might be the cheapest, the difference between 512MB and 1GB is something like $4, so you would be an idiot to build a computer with only 512MB of RAM. I wouldn't do it regardless of what OS I was putting on the system. Hell, I make it a policy to never build a machine with less than 2GB actually... But now you are going on about RAM, in a thread about processors, where you started arguing that single core processors aren't good for people who "multitask" because "Vista and 7 are optimized for dual cores", then you start talking about RAM...

We all know if you stick an idioticly small amount of RAM in a machine, it will perform like crap. That has nothing to do with the topic, and certainly adds nothing to back up your original statements about single core processor being too weak for multi-tasking and modern OSes.

The fact of the matter is that single core processor are still good enough for probably 75% of computer users. Most people surf the internet, check email, use Office, listen to music, sometime rip a CD, burn CDs, watch videos/movies/DVDs and thats about it. And they usually are not doing all that at the same time. None of that, even when done together, requires anything more than a single core processor.

Now would I build a machine using this processor? Under the right circumstances, yes. But it would have to be an extreme budget situation, because with the E1500 only $15 more, and the x2 240 only $20 more, it would be hard not to take a step up to those.

 

[Paintface]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131376

i am wondering if the unlock works on this mainboard, its one of the cheapest with onboard video and the needed SB710

also the differences between 760g and 780g chipset only really matter if you using any sort of 3D apps right?

trying to come up with the best bang for the buck for folks to build

 

[Zubasa]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131376

i am wondering if the unlock works on this mainboard, its one of the cheapest with onboard video and the needed SB710

also the differences between 760g and 780g chipset only really matter if you using any sort of 3D apps right?

trying to come up with the best bang for the buck for folks to build

Honest, if you do not use onboard graphics the 770 is usually the better choice
But it looks like most 770s are ATX.

Well, the price difference on a 780G and a 760G isn't much anyways, I will always go 780G just for the sake of it.

 

[WarEagleAU]

I think it is brilliant to do what they are doing. By now, it is well known about unlocking cores, unless they feel other products in their lineup cannot be done this way or just oblivious to the obvious. I look for Intel to do something similar soon.

 

[kenkickr]

I think it is brilliant to do what they are doing. By now, it is well known about unlocking cores, unless they feel other products in their lineup cannot be done this way or just oblivious to the obvious. I look for Intel to do something similar soon.

Not an unlockable core Core 2 dual core but a unlocked multi, http://www.techpowerup.com/101136/Intel_Responds_to_Phenom_II_X2_BE_with_Pentium_E6500K.html

 

[mtosev]

You arguments up until now had nothing to do with the cheapest stuff going into PCs, it was about the usefulness of single core processors like this Sempron.

And while 512MB might be the cheapest, the difference between 512MB and 1GB is something like $4, so you would be an idiot to build a computer with only 512MB of RAM. I wouldn't do it regardless of what OS I was putting on the system. Hell, I make it a policy to never build a machine with less than 2GB actually... But now you are going on about RAM, in a thread about processors, where you started arguing that single core processors aren't good for people who "multitask" because "Vista and 7 are optimized for dual cores", then you start talking about RAM...

We all know if you stick an idioticly small amount of RAM in a machine, it will perform like crap. That has nothing to do with the topic, and certainly adds nothing to back up your original statements about single core processor being too weak for multi-tasking and modern OSes.

The fact of the matter is that single core processor are still good enough for probably 75% of computer users. Most people surf the internet, check email, use Office, listen to music, sometime rip a CD, burn CDs, watch videos/movies/DVDs and thats about it. And they usually are not doing all that at the same time. None of that, even when done together, requires anything more than a single core processor.

Now would I build a machine using this processor? Under the right circumstances, yes. But it would have to be an extreme budget situation, because with the E1500 only $15 more, and the x2 240 only $20 more, it would be hard not to take a step up to those.

10-15 running apps and you have cpu usage at 60%. on my T7500 when my antivirus is scanning for viruses and running a few apps the usage goes to 20%.

 

[hat]

So what if it's at 60%... you still have 40% more to go

 

[newtekie1]

10-15 running apps and you have cpu usage at 60%. on my T7500 when my antivirus is scanning for viruses and running a few apps the usage goes to 20%.

Yeah, and the Anti-Virus is probably using all 20%, with a low priority that gives up the CPU time as soon as a more important program comes along.

You could probably add in watching a DVD and not see over 25% CPU usage.

That is the beauty of the way computers work, they are able to prioritize foreground processes over background processes, so single core processor are able to function.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

You arguments up until now had nothing to do with the cheapest stuff going into PCs, it was about the usefulness of single core processors like this Sempron.

And while 512MB might be the cheapest, the difference between 512MB and 1GB is something like $4, so you would be an idiot to build a computer with only 512MB of RAM. I wouldn't do it regardless of what OS I was putting on the system. Hell, I make it a policy to never build a machine with less than 2GB actually... But now you are going on about RAM, in a thread about processors, where you started arguing that single core processors aren't good for people who "multitask" because "Vista and 7 are optimized for dual cores", then you start talking about RAM...

We all know if you stick an idioticly small amount of RAM in a machine, it will perform like crap. That has nothing to do with the topic, and certainly adds nothing to back up your original statements about single core processor being too weak for multi-tasking and modern OSes.

The fact of the matter is that single core processor are still good enough for probably 75% of computer users. Most people surf the internet, check email, use Office, listen to music, sometime rip a CD, burn CDs, watch videos/movies/DVDs and thats about it. And they usually are not doing all that at the same time. None of that, even when done together, requires anything more than a single core processor.

Now would I build a machine using this processor? Under the right circumstances, yes. But it would have to be an extreme budget situation, because with the E1500 only $15 more, and the x2 240 only $20 more, it would be hard not to take a step up to those.

LOL not even $20 if you buy the combo deals $7 so yeah that would be an extreme budget limitation

 

[Hayder_Master]

sorry what is the original chips
phenom II x3 720 ------ unlock to phenom II 920
athelon II x2 --------- unlock to 4 cores too , and become like phenom
and now sempron 140 ------ Unlocks to Athlon II X2
so which chips AMD made and disable them cores , and how much real cost for this cpu's to make AMD disable them cores and sell it in less price

 

[Frick]

athelon II x2 --------- unlock to 4 cores too , and become like phenom

Actually, you unlock the multiplier, making it a Black Edition.

 

[Hayder_Master]

Actually, you unlock the multiplier, making it a Black Edition.

ops , but it still same idea

 

[vagxtr]

1.536v just to get to 3.7Ghz seem a little high - isnt that also above the 45nm 'safety' levels? it just shows how inefficient at handling voltage the processor is.

They just didnt bother for 35$ SKU And what is the worse thing most of these 45nm CPUs easily hit 3.2GHz @1.200V and then scale well up to 1.350V (~3.6GHz) but simply don't give much beyond that, not even that real Sempys officially misdubbed as Athlon II X2 250 BE. An BE which has locked multi Niiiice.

Only thing worth some money and bragging rights are X3/X4 Athlons cause they're really cheap and sometime with just as little as 15% price up over some X2 240 you can get X3 425 and possibility to unlock the fourth core (or even in rare cases some PII X4). Well at least you get extra core and same ~3.6G OC for virtually same price.

AMD's 45nm can do 1.55v safely. These aren't really built for overclocking tho, pretty sure it's just a modified Athlon X2 core. AMD's handle voltages a lot differently than Intel's stuff.

Unfortunatly these are not an old Athlon64 nor have anything to do withthem even old Athlon64 6500(B2)/7750/7850 were based on first generation Phenomsand latr two were just released after nobodyeven wanted 65nm Phenom after 45nm 920/940 and in fact to populate Am2 borads when AM3 was released. And many of them easily unlocks to X4 Phenoms.

And for the sake of today AthlonII line theyrre based on same C2 revision as current PhenomII just lacking that huge L3 on die, and AII X2 have fused two inactive cores and their working L2 cache has been given to active ones (2x512MB per core) so any dormant core unlock is impossible. While Semprons 140 are same thing as AII X2 hat just didnt pass some other core QC.

While some rare bigger bro X3/X4 Athlons are even based on full Deneb core with possible L3 unlock, and AII X3 based on Denebs most certainly unlocks 4th core but AII X3 based on Propus (original AthlonII core w/o L3 on die) dont unlock dead core for now (AII cores have much thorough binning procedures as you might see cause demand is greater for cheaper Athlon chips), and probably wont cause C2 and Athlon II line is going to be disband in Q1 in favor of C3 and even that will only be in limited X4 965/975, Thuban and X4 820 series while all other available will be based on old binning while stock lasts

As for voltage goes. I think even these insane 1.55V are safe for these 45nm chips. The weirdest thing is that all Athlon64 could handle such a high voltges ever since F2&F3 @90nm which were real 140W burners to these 45nm chips. It's strange for me too but this is something that K8/K8L architecture on SOI easily handles and after they uncore NB they can scale a hellawa better than before cause NB runs below 3Ghz and cores can easily reach 4GHz and beyond on air and even reducing number of active cores doesnt hep OCing much just reduces power consumption and that's so unfairly non-linear for 2-3 cores with L3 cache which is huge power consumer and doesn't support some of PowerNow for itself.

 

[AsRock]

lol every AMD CPU transforms into another one its "more than meets the eye..."

for basic stuff this would be good is is guaranteed an unlock tho?

HEHE, why buy 1 (Intel) when you can buy 2 in 1.

 

[vagxtr]

Not an unlockable core Core 2 dual core but a unlocked multi, http://www.techpowerup.com/101136/Intel_Responds_to_Phenom_II_X2_BE_with_Pentium_E6500K.html

Yep only available in China, and in Limited Edition. Right stuff to brag about budget enthusiast cpu available in it shop next door.

 

[CyborgCop]

1.536v just to get to 3.7Ghz seem a little high - isnt that also above the 45nm 'safety' levels? it just shows how inefficient at handling voltage the processor is.

I can't unlock mine. But I've got mine at that level and a little higher. And I'm just at 1.376. Wonder if I should be pushing mine harder. I've stuck to what the bios considered safe voltage.