PowerColor Radeon HD 5700 Series Graphics Cards Listed

[btarunr]

Less than a week away from launch, graphics cards based on AMD's newest ATI Radeon HD 5700 series mid-range GPUs have began to surface on European retailers, only to be retracted hours after being listed. Such acts from retailers isn't particularly new, but what it does is give away the price, and sometimes pictures and specifications. One such set of listings from German retailer Mindfactory.de, pits the price of the upper mid-range PowerColor Radeon HD 5770 at 149.99 €, including 19% applicable tax, and the mid-range PowerColor Radeon HD 5750 at 119.99 €, including 19% tax. Both cards, as listed by the retailer, feature 1 GB of GDDR5 memory. AMD is expected to unveil the Radeon HD 5700 series this October 13. With it, it plans to expand its lineup of next-generation DirectX 11 compliant graphics cards, and breach the mainstream market segment. What is also planned is to establish performance leadership over competing products at those price-points.



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[El_Mayo]

I hear this is where the market is
($100-$150)

 

[YinYang.ERROR]

But what are the US prices? Surely it won't be $175 for a 5750 will it?!

 

[Zubasa]

But what are the US prices? Surely it won't be $175 for a 5750 will it?!

As far as I know, ATi is aiming for $149.

 

[btarunr]

But what are the US prices? Surely it won't be $175 for a 5750 will it?!

I'd expect the same $149.99, and $119.99. GeForce GTS 250 is in for trouble.

 

[1Kurgan1]

I would expect the 5770 to come around $175 - $185, and that would drop the 4890 down to $140 - $150, then the 5750 to be around $125 - $135. That is with me assuming that performance would look like this.

5770<4890<5750

The 5770 then would be the GTX 275 competitor at a lower price and most likely faster, the 4890 would be a GTX 260 competitor while being a bit cheaper and faster, and the 5750 would be a GTS series competitor also being faster. That would push the 4870 down to about $100 and the 4850 to $80 - $90 giving them the lead in every single market out there on performance to dollar ratio.

But thats just my guess.

 

[kid41212003]

I'm expecting $199 and $149

 

[El_Mayo]

I would expect the 5770 to come around $175 - $185, and that would drop the 4890 down to $140 - $150, then the 5750 to be around $125 - $135. That is with me assuming that performance would look like this.

5770<4890<5750

The 5770 then would be the GTX 275 competitor at a lower price and most likely faster, the 4890 would be a GTX 260 competitor while being a bit cheaper and faster, and the 5750 would be a GTS series competitor also being faster. That would push the 4870 down to about $100 and the 4850 to $80 - $90 giving them the lead in every single market out there on performance to dollar ratio.

But thats just my guess.

If this were to happen.. won't cheap bastards like me heading to newegg to pick up HD4870s instead of the new cards?

 

[kid41212003]

If this were to happen.. won't cheap bastards like me heading to newegg to pick up HD4870s instead of the new cards?

You don't like DX11? It probably will last longer than any DX10 cards.

 

[El_Mayo]

You don't like DX11? It probably will last longer than any DX10 cards.

I've got nothing "against" DX 11
but.. why should you rush out and get the new cards if you can get an HD4870 for.. let's say.. £75? and it'll play games fine for another 1-2 years?
is DX11 such a huge leap over DX10.1 though?

 

[kid41212003]

I've got nothing "against" DX 11
but.. why should you rush out and get the new cards if you can get an HD4870 for.. let's say.. £75? and it'll play games fine for another 1-2 years?
is DX11 such a huge leap over DX10.1 though?

Here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/95957/AM..._Microsoft_DirectX_11_Graphics_Processor.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2008/09/17/directx-11-a-look-at-what-s-coming/1

 

[mdm-adph]

If this were to happen.. won't cheap bastards like me heading to newegg to pick up HD4870s instead of the new cards?

That's what my ass did -- Newegg had a 4830 for $80, and I snatched that shit up.

 

[Fishymachine]

in EU dollars almost turn to euros (despite the 1.4E\$ exchange rate) due to 30% customs taxes 150E should be 160-170 dollars

 

[ShRoOmAlIsTiC]

whats the specs on the new 5700 series?

 

[btarunr]

whats the specs on the new 5700 series?

Some say 1120 SP, DX11, 192-bit GDDR5, and some say 1120 SP, DX11, 128-bit GDDR5, while others think it's 800 SP, DX11, 128-bit GDDR5. 1 GB memory standard for both.

 

[El_Mayo]

That's what my ass did -- Newegg had a 4830 for $80, and I snatched that shit up.

good buy
i'd do the same
hell just think.. the HD 4890 has some massive overclock headroom
get that down to £120 or less and people will buy it, regardless of DX 11

 

[erocker]

They look like smaller 5850s!

 

[aj28]

I would expect the 5770 to come around $175 - $185, and that would drop the 4890 down to $140 - $150, then the 5750 to be around $125 - $135. That is with me assuming that performance would look like this.

5770<4890<5750

The 5770 then would be the GTX 275 competitor at a lower price and most likely faster, the 4890 would be a GTX 260 competitor while being a bit cheaper and faster, and the 5750 would be a GTS series competitor also being faster. That would push the 4870 down to about $100 and the 4850 to $80 - $90 giving them the lead in every single market out there on performance to dollar ratio.

But thats just my guess.

Unless the 5770 is architecturally different than the 5750, I doubt this will be the case. According to the numbers which were posted here at TPU just recently, 5750 is about 10-15% faster than the 4850, whereas the 4890 commands about 25% over the 4850.

As both boards are already running GDDR5, likely scenarios are that the 5770 will have either a higher core clock (likely) or a wider memory bus (unlikely) than the 5750. Going with the likely scenario, they're going to need roughly a 15-20% clock speed boost to make it a convincing win over the old 4890.

I'd say the EU prices are pretty spot on for what we'll see here in the US. Remember, the idea is that the price-to-performance ratio will improve from generation to generation, not that the HD5 series will slide nicely into the existing HD4 setup. That said, I don't think it will be as significant an improvement as a lot of people would like, but that's due in large part to the intense competition this past generation and significant price drops on high-end chips, especially towards the end.

Regardless of the above... I will be getting one

 

[1Kurgan1]

I'm willing to bet the 5770 will be faster than the 4890. If it needs the clocks or not to do it even. Because no matter what the 5770 is going to be faster than the 5750 by a decent margin and the lowest decent margin would be 10 - 15% in my mind, which would make it as fast as a 4890, why would they release a product that competes with their own?

If this were to happen.. won't cheap bastards like me heading to newegg to pick up HD4870s instead of the new cards?

That would be different price points. If my guess came true and you wanted to get 2x 4850's for the cost of a 5770, I don't think that would be a good choice. The 5770 would most likely be a bit slower, but not all games are CF supported and not everything scales the same.

And if you going to buy just 1 card and you want to spend $100 then you'd be getting a 4870 as you don't want to spend more.

 

[El_Mayo]

That would be different price points. If my guess came true and you wanted to get 2x 4850's for the cost of a 5770, I don't think that would be a good choice. The 5770 would most likely be a bit slower, but not all games are CF supported and not everything scales the same.

And if you going to buy just 1 card and you want to spend $100 then you'd be getting a 4870 as you don't want to spend more.

yeah, but the point i'm making is
when these new cards drive the prices of the HD 4xxx series down
won't more people backtrack and buy the older cards?

 

[1Kurgan1]

yeah, but the point i'm making is
when these new cards drive the prices of the HD 4xxx series down
won't more people backtrack and buy the older cards?

No, why would you they are going to be different prices? If you have $175 to spend on lets say a 5770, why would you back track and grab a weaker 4870? If you want to save money I understand, but why set the $175 target in the first place. And you will be sacrificing performance. So if you decide to step back to the old gen, you'll pay less and get less.

These new GPU's aren't top end cards, their prices won't be inflated like the 5870's is. What they come at will be close to what you get for your money. So if you have a certain budget and these cards fall in it thats what you'll get.

I'm going to use a car example here. In 2004 the Pontiac GTO's had the LS1 in 05 they came out with the LS2. People didn't rush out to buy the LS1, and to this day the 04 is the year not to get.

 

[El_Mayo]

No, why would you they are going to be different prices? If you have $175 to spend on lets say a 5770, why would you back track and grab a weaker 4870? If you want to save money I understand, but why set the $175 target in the first place. And you will be sacrificing performance.

Meh.
perhaps a 56xx series of cards will come out
so then EVERYONE has a choice of new cards to buy

 

[WarEagleAU]

Looks like an awesome mid range card that can play games on almost full tilt.

 

[YinYang.ERROR]

Looks like an awesome mid range card that can play games on almost full tilt.

That is what I was thinking

I think my new card is going to be either a 5770 or a 5750.

 

[Benetanegia]

I'm willing to bet the 5770 will be faster than the 4890. If it needs the clocks or not to do it even. Because no matter what the 5770 is going to be faster than the 5750 by a decent margin and the lowest decent margin would be 10 - 15% in my mind, which would make it as fast as a 4890, why would they release a product that competes with their own?



That would be different price points. If my guess came true and you wanted to get 2x 4850's for the cost of a 5770, I don't think that would be a good choice. The 5770 would most likely be a bit slower, but not all games are CF supported and not everything scales the same.

And if you going to buy just 1 card and you want to spend $100 then you'd be getting a 4870 as you don't want to spend more.

http://en.expreview.com/2009/10/08/asus-radeon-hd-5770-benchmarked.html/2

It looks like the HD5770 is significantly slower. I would even say it's slower than the HD4870, but that's a little bit harder to estimate. And it's not a surprise to me considering the final specs (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=105555), which you already know, because I've seen that you posted the first reply. 128 bit is really hurting this card.