Phenom II X6 Series Details Surface, Slated for May 2010

[Wile E]

nobody has listed a price yet on these chips and when was the last time AMD had a desktop chip over $300 on release? the FX series was the last i remember.

opterons have out clocked athlons for many many years even the phenom 1 based ones outclocked there phenom counterparts (opty 1354 for example)

and its hard to site the source that i got my info from....lets just say a little birdie whispered in my ear.


oh and for whomever said these have no DDR2 mem controller they are wrong no current AMD chip does not have a DDR2 and DDR3 mem controller on them even the 940's had a disabled DDR3 controller on them

and when did a $200 cpu become a budget chip? a $60 athlon II is a budget chip an i3 is even a budget chip an i5 is not

The last time AMD had chips over $500 was the last time they had the performance advantage, and no, not all of them were FX chips either. Iirc, the 939 X2 4800+ was even more than $500.

And regardless, I would bet money Intel's 6 core will be faster clock for clock, AND oc better for 24/7 settings.

And AMD is every bit as guilty at forcing upgrades at times. That argument is crap and has nothing to do with how good or bad this x6 is going to be, and you know it.

Quit tooting AMD's horn already. You have a vested interest in slinging their name around. Your bias is starting to get silly. Intel chips are currently more powerful, period. AMD has a better price on some products, but the top AMD chips are still overshadowed by Intel's chips in the same price range. 750 is more powerful than 965, plain and simple. But then you can choose to go even further by buying a chip in a class that doesn't even exist in AMD's line. If your budget is lower, sure, AMD is still a good choice, especially for gaming, but that's about where it ends.

Neither manufacturer is God. AMD had the lead for a couple of years, and unfortunately for them, awakened a sleeping giant. They will not be in the lead again until Intel gets complacent again. As long as AMD stays afloat, it will happen eventually I imagine, but I doubt it's going to happen any time in the near future, and especially not with these x6's.

In summary, I am unimpressed until they can keep up with or beat Intel in EVERYTHING. To me, performance for the price I'm willing to pay is God. My price usually extends into a range that I can buy higher end gear at rebuild time, as I save until I can do a full rebuild. As such, the only thing AMD has going for it (price) is completely useless in the case of someone like me.

 

[Disparia]

Wow, quite the thread explosion.

I just glad that we could all come to the consensus that AMD is best.

 

[Kitkat]

Wow, quite the thread explosion.

I just glad that we could all come to the consensus that AMD is best.

AMD chips do that at every announcement
Someone feels lesser cause they made a bad choice so they come to an unrelated topic to bitch about it.

 

[DrPepper]

I think CD's right about the 1800mhz at Cl6 that would be very fast on a phenom since they love ze low low timings.

Also this chip will be about £250-£300. Because intel is going to release a 32nm gulftown at £1000. The phenom will be slower but hell of a lot cheaper. I'd trust Cdawall on that he's usually right with his inside info.

 

[Flyordie]

I think CD's right about the 1800mhz at Cl6 that would be very fast on a phenom since they love ze low low timings.

Also this chip will be about £250-£300. Because intel is going to release a 32nm gulftown at £1000. The phenom will be slower but hell of a lot cheaper. I'd trust Cdawall on that he's usually right with his inside info.

Yea, AMD chips love low latency. Its why I am running the speed I am atm.
243x14= 3,403Mhz (I think)... and the Mem is running 4-4-4-6-1T @ 405Mhz (DDR2-810) 1.7V. Its faster and less jittery at that speed than 5-5-5-8-1T @ 500Mhz (DDR2-1000)2.0V. Not to mention LOW volts for the RAM. 1.7V = Win. (I forgot who I bought these from here, but wow... why did they ever give these sticks up I will never know or remember, I spent $45 on them I think tho) lol.

 

[Hayder_Master]

great news, i hope it's cheap as always from AMD, at last something stop i7 invasion

 

[Aleksa]

Unofficial schedule 890, SB850 and Thurban X6

AMD Phenom 2 X6 CPU's are to be launched by 10th of May, one month after north - south bridge variants 8xx e.g 890FX and SB850 chipsets by 10th of April

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

AMD chips do that at every announcement
Someone feels lesser cause they made a bad choice so they come to an unrelated topic to bitch about it.

No one was complaining, but if you need to believe that to ensure your e-peen doesn't shrink go for it. I couldn't be happier that I made what you think is a bad choice, if by bad choice you mean not becoming a zombie fan boi, best choice I ever made.


No one in the general public knows anything about this chip yet. People are getting butt hurt and arguing and starting a fan boi war over a press release! Calm down and let it go, you can speculate or sling mud all you want, but you don't know a damn thing yet. If you can't prove it with SC's or links to a creditable website, then don't talk about it as if it's fact. KTHXBAI.


/END THREAD

 

[eidairaman1]

Ur the one to talk, tell that to your compadres that started the shit in the first place

No one was complaining, but if you need to believe that to ensure your e-peen doesn't shrink go for it. I couldn't be happier that I made what you think is a bad choice, if by bad choice you mean not becoming a zombie fan boi, best choice I ever made.


No one in the general public knows anything about this chip yet. People are getting butt hurt and arguing and starting a fan boi war over a press release! Calm down and let it go, you can speculate or sling mud all you want, but you don't know a damn thing yet. If you can't prove it with SC's or links to a creditable website, then don't talk about it as if it's fact. KTHXBAI.


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[Hunt3r]

AMD Phenom 2 X6 CPU's are to be launched by 10th of May, one month after north bridge variants 8xx e.g 890FX and SB850 chipsets 10th of April

It is true that I will do is to spend more money on upgrading my system

 

[TheMailMan78]

This thread is in a downward spiral. If Bta sees this crap all of you will be in the sling. I recommend yall kiss and make up.

 

[erocker]

Some steps have been taken against members that could not control themselves in this thread. No more off-topic discussion please.

Thanks.

We're here to talk about the new processors from AMD .. I am sure friend?
i go sleeping bye bye

Yes sir! Have a good night.

 

[Hunt3r]

Some steps have been taken against members that could not control themselves in this thread. No more off-topic discussion please.

Thanks.

We're here to talk about the new processors from AMD .. I am sure friend?
i go sleeping bye bye

 

[GSquadron]

I have learned somewhere else that 890GX is more powerful than 890FX
Now comes out that FX is better.
Anyway has the facts?

 

[Hunt3r]

I have learned somewhere else that 890GX is more powerful than 890FX
Now comes out that FX is better.
Anyway has the facts?

Well the two models must be good

 

[nt300]

Can't wait to pick up one of these new Phenom II x6 and x4 CPU's once they get released in late March 2010.

 

[trt740]

If you notice in recent months, Phenom II no longer keeps up in the extreme 3D benches anymore. Leads me to believe the early advantage was bios or software related. Issues are apparantly fixed on the Intel side. The cold bug doesn't matter because Intel still way out performs Phenom II, even at the lower clocks.

Besides, why are we arguing gaming performance in a thread about a 6 core cpu? Games obviously aren't optimized to even use 6 cores yet, so the point is moot.

If current trends are any indication, what is likely going to be true, however, is that the Intel 6 cores are still going to be a fair bit faster than these clock for clock, and likely OC better for 24/7 usage in everything that isn't gaming. I crunch and encode a lot. Phenom II does not benefit someone like me.

Now come on WilE encoding on a phenom II at 4.0ghz is plenty fast even for you. I have had all kinds of chips and any quad core even the Phenom I are decent encoders. AMD chips love encoding en-fact it is one of their strong points. They can more than handle even professional levels. If cost is a issue, AMD can be a solution , saving you money to enhance other parts of your system, from faster ram, more ram, faster hard drives, faster dvd burners = better all around performance allowing your system to be more balanced.. Also if you really want to encode buy a 200 gtx series video card it will kill all of these cpus if you encode allot Cuda sometimes up to 800 percent faster.. On aside note AMD has better chipset instructions because for every day computing they are flat out quicker. I cannot imagine how powerful a 6 core phenom II would be let alone a thuban. Yes Intel is a faster benching chip, but hell I'm using a 53 dollar AMD dual core chip and I cannot believe how well it handles everything. I loved my intel rig, I really loved it but not for 730.00 more and these new AMD chips are on target to make me love them even more.

 

[Disparia]

I have learned somewhere else that 890GX is more powerful than 890FX
Now comes out that FX is better.
Anyway has the facts?

That's why you should never leave TPU

One won't necessarily better than the other. Other than the IGP on the GX, they'll only differ by the amount of PCIe lanes.

 

[erocker]

I have learned somewhere else that 890GX is more powerful than 890FX
Now comes out that FX is better.
Anyway has the facts?

GX = Integrated graphics and most likely x8 + x8 PCI-E lanes in CrossFire. Possibly a different south bridge but not sure on that.

FX = No onboard graphics x16 + x16 PCI-E lanes in Crossfire. SB850 south bridge.

 

[Wile E]

Now come on WilE encoding on a phenom II at 4.0ghz is plenty fast even for you. I have had all kinds of chips and any quad core even the Phenom I are decent encoders. AMD chips love encoding en-fact it is one of their strong points. They can more than handle even professional levels. If cost is a issue, AMD can be a solution , saving you money to enhance other parts of your system, from faster ram, more ram, faster hard drives, faster dvd burners = better all around performance allowing your system to be more balanced.. Also if you really want to encode buy a 200 gtx series video card it will kill all of these cpus if you encode allot Cuda sometimes up to 800 percent faster.. On aside note AMD has better chipset instructions because for every day computing they are flat out quicker. I cannot imagine how powerful a 6 core phenom II would be let alone a thuban. Yes Intel is a faster benching chip, but hell I'm using a 53 dollar AMD dual core chip and I cannot believe how well it handles everything. I loved my intel rig, I really loved it but not for 730.00 more and these new AMD chips are on target to make me love them even more.

When you are reencoding BluRays, no, a 4Ghz Phenom is not fast enough, neither is my current cpu. A 2 hour movie takes over a day to encode at my video settings. That's reading it from one hard drive, and writing it to another. I pre-rip the BD's to the hard drive because it's faster.

Faster ram, hard drives, or any other peripheral will not help, and CUDA, while very fast, does not have the same advanced encoding options available to get the same level of quality for a given compression ratio. As a matter of fact, the quality is substantially lower for a given size.

And AMD is not a faster setup in day to day use. I've built some PII rigs, and they aren't any better in use than the Intel rigs.

I'm glad you are happy with the performance of AMD. That's great, it saves you a lot of money. I am not satisfied with AMD's performance for my needs, and my budget allows for more to be spent on my cpus, so I see no reason to go AMD for someone like me, when I can easily afford the i9 setup.

 

[nt300]

A good average AMD quad-core CPU will do the trick quite nicely IMO. I just cannot justify spending $500+ on a CPU from neither AMD or Intel. But I can justify spending that much money on the best graphics card & DDR3 ram which would gain you better performance in most cases.

 

[PP Mguire]

Now come on WilE encoding on a phenom II at 4.0ghz is plenty fast even for you. I have had all kinds of chips and any quad core even the Phenom I are decent encoders. AMD chips love encoding en-fact it is one of their strong points. They can more than handle even professional levels. If cost is a issue, AMD can be a solution , saving you money to enhance other parts of your system, from faster ram, more ram, faster hard drives, faster dvd burners = better all around performance allowing your system to be more balanced.. Also if you really want to encode buy a 200 gtx series video card it will kill all of these cpus if you encode allot Cuda sometimes up to 800 percent faster.. On aside note AMD has better chipset instructions because for every day computing they are flat out quicker. I cannot imagine how powerful a 6 core phenom II would be let alone a thuban. Yes Intel is a faster benching chip, but hell I'm using a 53 dollar AMD dual core chip and I cannot believe how well it handles everything. I loved my intel rig, I really loved it but not for 730.00 more and these new AMD chips are on target to make me love them even more.

Where are people getting these absurd numbers from with Intel prices?

AMDs High Performance Phenom II 965 = 180 bucks new
Intel Mainstream Core i5 750 = 200 bucks. new

My situation, sold AMD mobo/proc and bought i5 mobo/proc with same cash brand new.

In any given scenario whether it be benching, gaming, encoding, day to day, i get better performance 4ghz vs 4ghz period. I dont see why its so hard to understand or get past the fanboyism.

Why dont i compare 965 to i7? Simply because those CPUs arent on the same level. 965 dosent have HT or triple channel memory interface. Hence the extra price for i7 and for very good reason.

For anybody willing to do a proper upgrade to DDR3 its a clear cut answer which way to go because you can get cheap P55 boards too. 8x/8x bandwidth dosent matter because if your on this kind of budget then you probably wont be doing SLI or Crossfire anyways. So generic answer of price to performance is kinda moot with the facts staring you in the face. If you can afford a 965 you can afford an i5.

Now if you already have a 790fx DDR3/2 board and just want to upgrade your cpu then obviously that is clear so my previous paragraph was to people doing a system overhaul on a slight budget.

Wile E what encoding settings and programs are we talking here? I want to see how fast i can encode a bluray with your settings on a 4ghz i5.

 

[CDdude55]

I agree.

It should be pretty obvious that this generation of Intel chips are surging ahead over AMD, its no mystery. I really don't see why people are trying to fight over something that has already proven itself. The Phenom II's are some great chips, and for the price they're great in gaming and well as some other programs and apps. But really, it's the Core i5/i7's that are reaping the performance crown in most to all apps and programs. Even if it costs you a higher price, its well worth it imo. I'm currently putting together an i7 system, and i went through all my options including going with AMD, but i figured that if i was going to build a new rig, that i wasn't going to go with middle of the road, i want the best i can afford and its no debate that its Intel that's currently pushing out a fantastic performing architecture with it's Core ix series.

The AMD Phenom II X6's should be some monstrous chips though.

 

[trt740]

Where are people getting these absurd numbers from with Intel prices?

AMDs High Performance Phenom II 965 = 180 bucks new
Intel Mainstream Core i5 750 = 200 bucks. new

My situation, sold AMD mobo/proc and bought i5 mobo/proc with same cash brand new.

In any given scenario whether it be benching, gaming, encoding, day to day, i get better performance 4ghz vs 4ghz period. I dont see why its so hard to understand or get past the fanboyism.

Why dont i compare 965 to i7? Simply because those CPUs arent on the same level. 965 dosent have HT or triple channel memory interface. Hence the extra price for i7 and for very good reason.



For anybody willing to do a proper upgrade to DDR3 its a clear cut answer which way to go because you can get cheap P55 boards too. 8x/8x bandwidth dosent matter because if your on this kind of budget then you probably wont be doing SLI or Crossfire anyways. So generic answer of price to performance is kinda moot with the facts staring you in the face. If you can afford a 965 you can afford an i5.

Now if you already have a 790fx DDR3/2 board and just want to upgrade your cpu then obviously that is clear so my previous paragraph was to people doing a system overhaul on a slight budget.

Wile E what encoding settings and programs are we talking here? I want to see how fast i can encode a bluray with your settings on a 4ghz i5.

I agree.

It should be pretty obvious that this generation of Intel chips are surging ahead over AMD, its no mystery. I really don't see why people are trying to fight over something that has already proven itself. The Phenom II's are some great chips, and for the price they're great in gaming and well as some other programs and apps. But really, it's the Core i5/i7's that are reaping the performance crown in most to all apps and programs. Even if it costs you a higher price, its well worth it imo. I'm currently putting together an i7 system, and i went through all my options including going with AMD, but i figured that if i was going to build a new rig, that i wasn't going to go with middle of the road, i want the best i can afford and its no debate that its Intel that's currently pushing out a fantastic performing architecture with it's Core ix series.

The AMD Phenom II X6's should be some monstrous chips though.

The I7 is faster but much more expensive but the I5 is not noticeably faster and is not a better buy.

 

[PP Mguire]

BS, i have had the 955 and i now own the i5 because it IS noticeably faster. And for 20 bucks more you cant go wrong.