GeForce GTX 400 Series Performance Expectations Hit the Web

[the54thvoid]

Will all of you just BE QUIET!!

Semiaccurate, Bright Side of News, Guru 3D, yadda yadda yadda.

What's the common link? NO CONCRETE INFO.

The pricing will not be high. Sabre PC website price was a hoax - go check it out. Another techy website with 'sources' revealed it will be very competitive and sold at a huge loss, just to hit ATI's current dominance. The cards wont be appearing in big numbers so hypothetically, a 10000 card run sold at a £200 loss each is only £2 million. Nvidia can easily soak that up. Think about it people - NV have been hit hard - all they have to do is release a good card (which Fermi will be, power draw aside) and sell it competitively. They just need to be seen to be 'in the race'.

All the subterfuge over benchmarks is suspect but be realistic, GF100 will perform well. Remember how good the 4870 was and then NV went 'BAM!!' GTX 280. All they do is punch with a bigger glove. I'm a fanATIc now (after converting to two 5850's from a GTX295) but i seriously believe people should stop waving the victory flags.

First and foremost, I'm a sad git and i trawl at least 5 or 6 of the major techy sites to garner info. It's not all Black and White dudes. Charlie's still ranting (and he has a 50/50 record so could go either way), BSN* kiss NV's ass a bit too much these days and the other sites play with rumours.
TPU is quite neutral and i like this site for that but the forums have too much gossip - like a day out at a nail salon.

Wait for the release and the reviews (Personally I'll happily wait for the TPU review). But remember - this is the company that is the power in GFX still. NV might just take a small financial hit just to make a point.

 

[Bundy]

So this confirms that the Fermi cards will just be a hot, expensive, power hungry piece of junk. The 470 was listed for 499$ and let's say that it soon drops to 400. The problem is, it's slower, more expensive AND more power hungry than the 5870, which is 399$ now, but will probably drop in price a little, as ATI toughens competition. And the 480. More expensive and power hungry than the 5970, but loses in performance by about 15% (GTX295 vs. 5970). So what's the conclusion? Nvidia is taking it in the butt, atleast in this generation of GPUs. And I'm not a fanboy of either.

What I conclude is that most opinions on this new card are not based on solid evidence.

in original article, is NO WORD about GTX 295, there is GTX 480 has performance as a HD5970!

Well picked up.

Perhaps Bta can clarify whether this is correct?

 

[OnBoard]

"the GeForce GTX 470 performs somewhere between the ATI Radeon HD 5850 and Radeon HD 5870."

No way that's true. GTX 470 is almost twice the card my GTX 280 and I lose 12% to 5850 and 23% to 5870. If they don't get 25% more performance out of it, then it's a driver problem.

 

[Benetanegia]

"the GeForce GTX 470 performs somewhere between the ATI Radeon HD 5850 and Radeon HD 5870."

No way that's true. GTX 470 is almost twice the card my GTX 280 and I lose 12% to 5850 and 23% to 5870. If they don't get 25% more performance out of it, then it's a driver problem.

Agreed. Also the link is not saying that anyway, idk where did bta's numbers come from, but it's not from the link he provided. Even with Google translate is easy to understand they are comparing the 480 with the HD5970 performance wise and they are saying the 470 will be 20-25% faster than a GTX285, or as fast as the HD5870. Two members (OBR and cool recep) have confirmed that.

 

[Bundy]

"the GeForce GTX 470 performs somewhere between the ATI Radeon HD 5850 and Radeon HD 5870."

No way that's true. GTX 470 is almost twice the card my GTX 280 and I lose 12% to 5850 and 23% to 5870. If they don't get 25% more performance out of it, then it's a driver problem.

It might be true if the newer cards don't clock as fast.

 

[Benetanegia]

It might be true if the newer cards don't clock as fast.

Yeah, but not even Charlie Demerjian, always the most "pesimistic" regarding Nvidia, is clocking Fermi below 600 Mhz. 625 mhz and 650 mhz is what most are saying. The GTX285 is clocked at 648 Mhz and GTX280 was clocked at 602 Mhz, so 625-650 is not bad at all and Fermi should be close to 2x the performance of a GT200. It should be closer to 100% faster than closer to 25% faster at least.

 

[xrealm20]

Yeah, but not even Charlie Demerjian, always the most "pesimistic" regarding Nvidia, is clocking Fermi below 600 Mhz. 625 mhz and 650 mhz is what most are saying. The GTX285 is clocked at 648 Mhz and GTX280 was clocked at 602 Mhz, so 625-650 is not bad at all and Fermi should be close to 2x the performance of a GT200. It should be closer to 100% faster than closer to 25% faster at least.

Remember that nVidia's stream processors clock differently than the GPU --- so, fermi may have lower stream processor clocks ---

I'd imagine that the 470 will be between the 5850 and 5870 and the 480 in some bmarks will be on par with the 5970 and in other bmarks it will be around GTX295 performance.

But both cards are going to be power hogs, without a doubt.

my 2 cents.

 

[Bundy]

Yeah, but not even Charlie Demerjian, always the most "pesimistic" regarding Nvidia, is clocking Fermi below 600 Mhz. 625 mhz and 650 mhz is what most are saying. The GTX285 is clocked at 648 Mhz and GTX280 was clocked at 602 Mhz, so 625-650 is not bad at all and Fermi should be close to 2x the performance of a GT200. It should be closer to 100% faster than closer to 25% faster at least.

Fair enough. We shall find out for sure soon.

Given the specifications, and thinking hypothetically, there would also be plenty of room for nvidia to offer heavily downclocked cards for mid-range performance? I guess it all depends on what we don't know, how these chips are binning.

 

[Arrakis9]

im surprised there ist a ton of nvidia hating ati fanbois here bashing and laughing at this

 

[DanishDevil]

Me too, but it's such unestablished evidence, I think everybody's a bit skeptical.

 

[troyrae360]

im surprised there ist a ton of nvidia hating ati fanbois here bashing and laughing at this

Thats some troll bate if ever i seen it

I think ATI fanboys got that out of there system 6 months ago when the other firmi thread was started, besides that are all probley too busy being immersed in DX11 and pushing GPUs to new limits, or prehaps they are just content that they alredy own the most powerfull GPU's on the market todate

 

[sneekypeet]

They were in another thread that already got closed down, please dont bring any flaming or trolling into the news section too.

 

[shevanel]

this cannot be true...

if the 470 was like a 5870 and the 480 fell between a 5870 and a 5970 then it would a but make more sense.. but as it stands the price/performance (which is speculated) is just plain ruh-tarded...

@ $699 msrp this means they'll probbaly sell for 749+ if the supply suffers as ati's did at launch

 

[troyrae360]

this cannot be true...

if the 470 was like a 5870 and the 480 fell between a 5870 and a 5970 then it would a but make more sense.. but as it stands the price/performance (which is speculated) is just plain ruh-tarded...

@ $699 msrp this means they'll probbaly sell for 749+ if the supply suffers as ati's did at launch

I personally think NV have always charged more for there product than what its worth price/performance wise, ATI/AMD ahve always been the better Bang for your Buck, I beleave it will stay that way, NV will always overcharge and people will still buy there stuff becouse they are commited to that brand

 

[Easy Rhino]

none of these rumors make sense and they all seem self contradictory. let's say for the sake of argument that fermi is a big bag of fail. nvidia would simply sell them FOR LESS than the ATI cards. so if they are less poweful than what ATI has out NVIDIA's strategy would be to low ball and steal ATIs money maker of midrange cards. all the while NVIDIA would be working on a completely new series of cards done right that wont hit the market for another 15 months. fan boys often forget that money is what these companies try and get the most of, not the approval of tech geeks and hardware nerds.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Just wait for the real benchmarks people...all this damn speculation talk. Who cares? Wait til we see Wizz's review and the rest of the reviews.

 

[shevanel]

^ +1 of course

but.. coming so late in the game when the competition has already spread through the market like a virus and availibility is now + the price is great why come out into game slinging a hot hot hot power hungry $700.00 card?

hmm maybe they just know people are going to buy them regardless then the entry level mainstream dx11 cards arrive later... LOL NV is smart!

 

[Benetanegia]

@ $699 msrp this means they'll probbaly sell for 749+ if the supply suffers as ati's did at launch

It's not MSRP, it's the (probably fake) pre-order price on one etailer. If anything, that hints to a $550 MSRP according to your logic. But it's fake, I'm sure, they are listed as 2GB cards and both 479 and 480 have 512 SPs. Not to mention that most relieable sources are saying that most partners didn't even got their samples yet, how come an etailer knows the price?

TBH I can't believe that so many people are taking that number so seriously. But every rumor about Fermi is being taken seriously isn't it? That's something I can't understand and has never happened before tbh.

 

[shevanel]

well when your only given so much info about something your imagination is the only thing that will fuel the topic of discussion which apparently is something people want to talk about

im sure around april we will all be truly informed... this is all just hype before the big show.. just like before the ATi stuff was released then the "5800 series below expecatations" thread was birthed

 

[Easo]

Need benchmarks of course, but imho my side of upgrade will be ATI, i simply cant believe Fermi's will be at the ATI price range.

 

[Bundy]

I personally think NV have always charged more for there product than what its worth price/performance wise, ATI/AMD ahve always been the better Bang for your Buck, I beleave it will stay that way, NV will always overcharge and people will still buy there stuff becouse they are commited to that brand

Given that Nvidia/ATI card designs differ from each other in many ways, I don't expect it will be so easy to compare them. There will probably be big variations in relative performance, depending on the benchmark/comparision used. Then there will probably be even bigger fanboi wars.

I do agree that the Nvidia card I use now was overpriced at the time compared to ATI in terms of say FPS. I have had heaps of fun from it though.

 

[aj28]

I think that nVidia will be price/performance competitive plus about a 10% premium. This will keep the green camp in line as well as general consumers thanks to the skew and overall illiquidity of retail sales prices. That said, much like last generation, they will bleed a lot of money until 6-12 months in when they produce a revamped GTS250.

 

[Completely Bonkers]

ATI did a "surprise" on nV by under-speccing the cards prior to launch. Then boom! the cards had double the shaders people were expecting.

This strategy worked well for ATI. Perhaps nV actually scrapped their whole design in 2009 and have something new up their sleeve and hence the protracted delay.

Let's hope something exciting is launched in May and those 300W figures are bogus.

 

[eidairaman1]

Given that Nvidia/ATI card designs differ from each other in many ways, I don't expect it will be so easy to compare them. There will probably be big variations in relative performance, depending on the benchmark/comparision used. Then there will probably be even bigger fanboi wars.

I do agree that the Nvidia card I use now was overpriced at the time compared to ATI in terms of say FPS. I have had heaps of fun from it though.

that 8800 Ultra is a stronger chip than the G92 in the 8800 range- reliability atleast. It took Nv a revision of the G92 to get it reliable.

 

[Swansen]

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LOL! ....but seriously though.. this stuff is getting ridiculous.. (power consumption)