Apple Displaces Microsoft as Biggest Technology Company

[FordGT90Concept]

Finally, an anticompetition probe is looking at Apple and iTunes:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/biztech/05/27/cnet.itunes.apple/index.html?hpt=T2

Hopefully there are more probes to follow (especially iPhone software).

 

[DannibusX]

If you think iTunes is bad, take the Zune software for a spin. No, no, don't buy a Zune either. Go Cowon or Archos, imo.

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into those.

 

[Cheeseball]

I'll agree though, the Cowon and Archos have better DSPs for better sound quality, but they're really overpriced, have a clunky UI, and heavy. (I have a Archos 605 WiFi.) That and they're one of the few media players that has gapless playback and lossless support.

 

[WhiteLotus]

If you think iTunes is bad, take the Zune software for a spin. No, no, don't buy a Zune either. Go Cowon or Archos, imo.

Thought the Zune software is pretty good to be honest. Prefer it over WMP-whatever-derivative-we're-on-now.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Finally, an anticompetition probe is looking at Apple and iTunes:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/biztech/05/27/cnet.itunes.apple/index.html?hpt=T2

Hopefully there are more probes to follow (especially iPhone software).

I really doubt anything is going to be found, but this probe is for the music store, not itunes itself, or apple itself. It's about them not being willing to advertise a product that the music companies gave to amazon a day before apple. Most people would do the same thing, if they were in that position. Apple's punishment just hurt more. I really doubt anything is going to come of it.

Always remember, the news is always skewed in someones favor. Especially when it comes to confidential information relating to government work.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

It's an Apple product so any ruling against them will hurt Apple's bottomline and help consumers looking to download digital music.

It's about Apple creating a monopoly by forcing music publishers to only deal with them. Apple was threatening publishers that dealt with Amazon. Apple controls some 70% of the digital music market making them a monopoly which in turn makes that practice (using their market position to dictate who publishers deal with) illegal.

The media (news) sleeps with Jobs. If anything, it is skewed in Apple's favor and I do see a hint of that. The article tried to make Amazon the enemy (not aggressively so but I get a hint of it). I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon themselves leaked that information.

 

[Triprift]

And Microsoft have always done everything by the book lol.

Seroiusly there just as bad as each other

 

[FordGT90Concept]

And Microsoft have always done everything by the book lol.

More or less according to the USA political system. Microsoft really only received recommendations in antitrust hearings (they were never found guilty of wrong-doing). Only the EU fined them for doing something Apple is still doing (bundling a browser).

I ain't saying Microsoft is a saint but what Apple is doing is damn near criminal.

 

[xtremesv]

proof that overpriced hardware sells if you slap a nice badge on it.

+1

I call them members of The Church of Saint Apple. You can detect them when they drive cars with a white apple sticker on... my advice: run away!!!

 

[Mussels]

+1

I call them members of The Church of Saint Apple. You can detect them when they drive cars with a white apple sticker on... my advice: run away!!!

i remember a tourists warning when i was last in the UK (well, the only time i was ever in the UK) and it went like "please dont wear white earbuds when walking alone. people will think you have apple products, and therefore rich. they will mug you"

 

[entropy13]

i remember a tourists warning when i was last in the UK (well, the only time i was ever in the UK) and it went like "please dont wear white earbuds when walking alone. people will think you have apple products, and therefore rich. they will mug you"

How much are those Apple earbuds? I have a feeling that my earbuds are more expensive, but because it's black it's not easily distinguishable.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

It's about Apple creating a monopoly by forcing music publishers to only deal with them. Apple was threatening publishers that dealt with Amazon. Apple controls some 70% of the digital music market making them a monopoly which in turn makes that practice (using their market position to dictate who publishers deal with) illegal.

You are leaving out the only relevant information about the scenario: Apple was not refusing to let them deal with amazon. Apple was refusing to hand over free product spotlights to products they give to competitors first(Amazon was getting products to sell a day before release). They weren't in any way saying "no you cannot let amazon sell your music". That is hardly what you make it out to be.

Only the EU fined them for doing something Apple is still doing (bundling a browser).

I ain't saying Microsoft is a saint but what Apple is doing is damn near criminal.

Once again, care to elaborate on the actual details, instead of catering your argument information on what you pick and choose?

Microsoft got SLAMMED, because Internet explorer was not only bundled, but unavoidably bundled. On OS X, you are more than welcome to use Chrome, Firefox, or Opera. If you don't want safari, you simply drag the application to the trash can, and its as if it never existed. For Internet explorer in Windows XP, it was impossible to remove, as it was integrated into the core of the OS.

That is the difference between abusing a monopoly, and bundling software.

 

[steelkane]

There both the same company's,, They fight with each other to make them both seem better then the other one so they both stay rich

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You are leaving out the only relevant information about the scenario: Apple was not refusing to let them deal with amazon. Apple was refusing to hand over free product spotlights to products they give to competitors first(Amazon was getting products to sell a day before release). They weren't in any way saying "no you cannot let amazon sell your music". That is hardly what you make it out to be.

Part of what investigators are interested in is whether Apple used its market dominance to discourage two of the top record companies from participating in a special Amazon music promotion called the "MP3 Daily Deal."

Microsoft got SLAMMED, because Internet explorer was not only bundled, but unavoidably bundled. On OS X, you are more than welcome to use Chrome, Firefox, or Opera. If you don't want safari, you simply drag the application to the trash can, and its as if it never existed. For Internet explorer in Windows XP, it was impossible to remove, as it was integrated into the core of the OS.

That is the difference between abusing a monopoly, and bundling software.

IE has been integrated into the Windows Shell since IE5 back in Windows 98 (interactive desktop). That was before Safari, Chrome, and Firefox existed. Windows 98 and IE6 are what got the Internet started. If Microsoft hadn't been bundling browsers back then, the Internet wouldn't be what it is today (because people simply couldn't get access).

 

[Easy Rhino]

IE has been integrated into the Windows Shell since IE5 back in Windows 98 (interactive desktop). That was before Safari, Chrome, and Firefox existed. Windows 98 and IE6 are what got the Internet started. If Microsoft hadn't been bundling browsers back then, the Internet wouldn't be what it is today (because people simply couldn't get access).

that is a specious argument at best. microsoft created IE so that users could get online. if they were not forward thinking they would have simply bundled netscape with their product. or, they could have included a browser on a CD to be installed after the OS install.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The way IE5 was integrated into the OS made sense. The explorer address bar could take you anywhere: local, PAN, LAN, WAN. Because of the EU, HTTP/HTTPS/FTP are separate (although the OS clearly has the capability to do all, just not advertised as a browser).

Notice how no browser is a product for profit. Technically, browsers aren't even a part of a market--they're part of the operating system market.

In short, the EU killed a brilliant technology (seamless browsing of virtually everything). Try it if you don't believe me (IE6 can open C:\, IE7 opens My Computer to open C:\).


Next, the EU will sue Microsoft for integrating DirectX and not giving the consumer the choice to preinstall OpenGL. You wouldn't believe how many business applications were coded specifically for IE6. It is baseless and always was. Just EU milking a cash cow (again).

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

In short, the EU killed a brilliant technology (seamless browsing of virtually everything). Try it if you don't believe me (IE6 can open C:\, IE7 opens My Computer to open C:\).
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Active X was a reliable, secure, and economically fair for competition.


LOL. Sure they did. Whatever you say.

 

[Easy Rhino]

The way IE5 was integrated into the OS made sense. The explorer address bar could take you anywhere: local, PAN, LAN, WAN. Because of the EU, HTTP/HTTPS/FTP are separate (although the OS clearly has the capability to do all, just not advertised as a browser).

Notice how no browser is a product for profit. Technically, browsers aren't even a part of a market--they're part of the operating system market.

In short, the EU killed a brilliant technology (seamless browsing of virtually everything). Try it if you don't believe me (IE6 can open C:\, IE7 opens My Computer to open C:\).


Next, the EU will sue Microsoft for integrating DirectX and not giving the consumer the choice to preinstall OpenGL. You wouldn't believe how many business applications were coded specifically for IE6. It is baseless and always was. Just EU milking a cash cow (again).

i won't argue that the EU/USA was wrong in ruling microsoft was guilty of monopolization when integrating IE into their OS. i will argue that IE changed everything though.
you said :

If Microsoft hadn't been bundling browsers back then, the Internet wouldn't be what it is today (because people simply couldn't get access)

that is simply untrue. that is like arguing that there were absolutely no alternatives out there in the mid 90s.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Only Opera and Netscape. Opera has never been a major player and not long after IE6 came out, Netscape had virtually no market share.

Oh, and AOL, if you could count that. They only reason they had any success what-so-ever was because of their mailing CDs to everyone with an address. Once that stopped, they pretty much disappeared.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Don't forget Prodigy on Super VGA BITCHES!.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That was before IE and Opera.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Even less share than Opera. XD

Not at the time my friend.

That was before IE and Opera.

What can I say? I'm old, OLD school.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Only Opera and Netscape. Opera has never been a major player and not long after IE6 came out, Netscape had virtually no market share.

Oh, and AOL, if you could count that. They only reason they had any success what-so-ever was because of their mailing CDs to everyone with an address. Once that stopped, they pretty much disappeared.

netscape had a small market share because they were not bundled with an operating system. again, im not saying microsoft was in the wrong for bundling their own product (IE) with their OS. i am saying that netscape was a better browser that has a smaller market share because it was the 1990s and most consumers did not know what the hell the internet was yet. that hardly makes microsoft the reason the internet exists today.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Don't forget Prodigy on Super VGA BITCHES!.

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-06/prodigy-online.jpg
http://www.tidbits.com/iskm/iskw2html/pt3/ch09/imgs/09fig71.gif
http://www.webbasedprogramming.com/The-Complete-Idiots-Guide-to-Creating-an-HTML-Web-Page/f2-7.gif

i used to play the maze game. i forget what it was called. but it was awesome!

 

[TheMailMan78]

netscape had a small market share because they were not bundled with an operating system. again, im not saying microsoft was in the wrong for bundling their own product (IE) with their OS. i am saying that netscape was a better browser that has a smaller market share because it was the 1990s and most consumers did not know what the hell the internet was yet. that hardly makes microsoft the reason the internet exists today.

No the only reason the Internet is where it is today is because of porn and thats not me trying to be funny. I was fappin' in 1990 on a Prodigy browser.