AMD's Fusion ''Ontario'' APU Chip Pictured

[Imsochobo]

I'm very interested to see how much GPU power this packs... 80sp's worth in ATi terms is barely viable for gaming, 320 odd or more and were really talking.

the Mobility Radeon HD 5430 which as 80sp's @ 550MHz is rated around 7 watt... so really I'm not sure whether they will be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat on this one. having said that I believe 7w does include it's onboard memory .

Okey.
I think they said 32 nm for fusion, but i may be right, that would be the answer you would look for.

But more complex stuff. explaining benefits of fusion.

Okey, Leets do this example:
1
you got 1 volt.
over a 0,5mm^2 cable, over 3 meeters for instance, its not 1 v, current is lost because of the resistance in the cable.
you would maybe have 0,8volt and wudnt be suffecient to drive the chip.
So you gotta juice on 1 watt more, 1 watt here one watt there.
2.\ you got only one power circuit.
How much does theese thing use? well, quite alot of power, they do need cooling, the things next to your cpu, on low end they do not require this. meaning, a few watts shaved off there.
sharing memory controller for vga and cpu ?(uncertant) a few watts there too.

Stack up all the benefits here, and you'll see serious power figures(performance) and power consumtion go down.
Go back in history, amd going with IMC(interigated memory controller) then intel did, then intel just placed a IGP next to the cpu, and look what that did!

Big benefits, this is explained very.. non detailed whatso ever, but both intel and amd know, more in one chip benefits everyone, gpu's are too power hungry to be built in(for us.)
but a gpu doing opencl would be good!

 

[TheLaughingMan]

iPhone 5 powered by AMD's Bobcat??

Steve selling will be like, "...this new iPhone will boast more graphical power than any phone or portable device this size. Full 1080p output to an TV via a simple HDMI cable. *Unneeded applause for something several others have already done*. This chip is a revolution in technology. A true innovation. *Que Apple logo on screen to take credit with "brought to you by" tag so AMD doesn't get pissed*. Let me just show you why you should want a new iPhone 5. *live demo of 1080p out of some Disney/Pixar film through iTunes....which is only 720p, but Steve doesn't give a shit*......"

 

[wolf]

iPhone 5 powered by AMD's Bobcat??

do you really think they'd ever use anything but their own chips in an iphone? I mean here's hoping but I wouldn't hope too hard.

 

[Mussels]

do you really think they'd ever use anything but their own chips in an iphone? I mean here's hoping but I wouldn't hope too hard.

do they use their own chips at all?

apple doesnt make hardware, they buy it, slap their own shell and software around it and sell it off.

 

[pr0n Inspector]

do they use their own chips at all?

apple doesnt make hardware, they buy it, slap their own shell and software around it and sell it off.

They bought the company that designed A4(custom Cortex A8+ PowerVR SGX 535) in collaboration with Samsung, so yes technically they do use their own chip. It's believed to be very similar or identical to Samsung's Hummingbird which has a better GPU:SGX 540. Either way they are more powerful than hugely over-hyped Qualcomm Snapdragon, especially in the GPU department.

 

[Imsochobo]

exactly what I was thinking. More for the AMD (cough::ATI::cough) GPU built in.

snapdragon fights off any X86 in smartphones.
X86 isnt suitable for small handsets, but certanly arm arch by amd is possible, they just need to licence and build!

 

[mastrdrver]

do they use their own chips at all?

apple doesnt make hardware, they buy it, slap their own shell and software around it and sell it off.

Apple makes hardware you just have to define what the work "makes" means.

 

[inferKNOX]

looks like AMD has really lined up some winners.
Good too, cause they couldn't afford to have another dud, not after so long without a new architecture.

@Imsochobo: your english is eye-wateringly hard to try and understand, but your internet speeds make me just wanna cry!

 

[TheLaughingMan]

do you really think they'd ever use anything but their own chips in an iphone? I mean here's hoping but I wouldn't hope too hard.

It was just a joke, thus the question marks and satire comments afterwards. Apple does still have some holdings that produce their mobos, chips, and a few other things for them including most of Apple's iPhone hardware. I merely wanted to point out that when they did start using Nvidia and Intel, they had a strange habit of "coloring" their press releases to almost take credit for their work. It always sounded like, "Yes Intel and Nvidia are awesome, but we are more awesome because we brought them together in a Mac for you. Thank us, not them."

 

[Mussels]

It was just a joke, thus the question marks and satire comments afterwards. Apple does still have some holdings that produce their mobos, chips, and a few other things for them including most of Apple's iPhone hardware. I merely wanted to point out that when they did start using Nvidia and Intel, they had a strange habit of "coloring" their press releases to almost take credit for their work. It always sounded like, "Yes Intel and Nvidia are awesome, but we are more awesome because we brought them together in a Mac for you. Thank us, not them."

i thought apple motherboards + general hardware were made by foxconn? they were last time i looked.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

OMG it's so tiny! Any guesses on the GPU power? Must be in the ballpark of a hd4200 with that miniscule size.

People are claiming it's the 80sp Cedar GPU.
However, the die sizes don't really match up, since the Ontario APU is reported as having the same size as Cedar and they're both built using TSMC's 40nm.


What I think as a possibility is that the Ontario's GPU is based around the rumoured shader model for the 6000 series, which uses 4-way shaders instead of 5 and decreases the shader count by 25% while offering 98% of older model's performance.

Therefore, Ontario could actually sport a 64-shader IGP (therefore, making it an integrated Caicos - HD6350) with roughly the same performance as a discrete HD5450, clock-for-clock.

Clock it decently and it could even stand up to ION 2 systems in gaming performance.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

i thought apple motherboards + general hardware were made by foxconn? they were last time i looked.

You would be correct. I guess I should double check what they still make for themselves before I post.

Edit: Done. They don't make hardware no more. I thought when they said "holdings" it would be companies they at least partially owned. Instead I find that they are all licensed out sourcing. While some of these companies dedicate entire factories and/or departments to producing Apple parts, and Apple has a large say in final product, they do not have real control over the companies.

 

[meran]

What I think as a possibility is that the Ontario's GPU is based around the rumoured shader model for the 6000 series, which uses 4-way shaders instead of 5 and decreases the shader count by 25% while offering 98% of older model's performance.

Therefore, Ontario could actually sport a 64-shader IGP (therefore, making it an integrated Caicos - HD6350) with roughly the same performance as a discrete HD5450, clock-for-clock.

interesting so if what u say is correct then they could have a 1280shadder gpu match a 5870
and a 1600 one with 25% perfomance lead at the same clock interesting really

 

[ToTTenTranz]

interesting so if what u say is correct then they could have a 1280shadder gpu match a 5870
and a 1600 one with 25% perfomance lead at the same clock interesting really

The wikipedia's entry for AMD gpus had, until yesterday, the HD6870 listed as a 1280 shader part.

All that AMD has to do is increase core clocks do ~950MHz, increase memory bandwidth, add more tesselator units and they'll have a card that surpasses GTX480 in every possible gaming situation.
They don't need to add more shaders, we can see that in the HD5850->HD5870 clock-for-clock comparison.