PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 Pictured

[jpierce55]

But only for those who expected too much

As long as it's cheaper and preferably uses less power than the 580 then it hits an acceptable place in the market as it will sit in the position the 5870 and 4870 did in past generations.

I don't disagree at all. I would much rather have a g-card a little slower using much less power. If it is reasonably cheaper you have to figure it needs a cheaper psu as well (less power).

 

[crow1001]

It will be over $150 cheaper than the cheapest 580.

 

[mdsx1950]

I knew the 6970 wouldn't beat the 580.

Proof? :shadedshu

 

[the54thvoid]

The guy at OcUK (Gibbo) is inferring it will be substantially cheaper and readily available. I've said since launch that the 580 is pretty rare. I hope we see more but at the moment, it's in very limited supply.

All that said, I wanted something to replace my 5850's and it's looking more and more likely it'll be NV as an overclocked 580 gets close/beats a 5970.

Though since i changed my case my 5850's stay cooler and quieter when flat out. Maybe i should wait.....

And it's not a 'fail' if it achieves AMD's goal. It's only us idiots that have hyped things so much we lose track of what good value and performance 'most' consumers want.

 

[phanbuey]

But only for those who expected too much

As long as it's cheaper and preferably uses less power than the 580 then it hits an acceptable place in the market as it will sit in the position the 5870 and 4870 did in past generations.

yes and no. The 5870 was king of the hill for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGG time. It is only recently that it sits below a better card. For most of its life, the 5870 was up against the 285, which it butchered in terms of features and performance.

Also, the 4870 was over 2x the speed of the 3870 and the 5870 was damn close to 2x the 4870. If the 6970 is too far off the generational improvement will be much smaller. It looks like a 30% increase on average over the 5870, which nixes any leadership that AMD worked so hard to gain...

 

[largon]

Looks like the situation will be pretty much equal to pre-GTX580-launch era.
nV has the fastest single GPU but AMD owns perf/$ and perf/W.

And I think AMD being able to tweak Cypress -> Cayman and gain such boosts with minimal die size increase is actually an impressive feat compared to nV jury-riggin' GF100 -> GF110.

 

[phanbuey]

Looks like the situation will be pretty much equal to pre-GTX580-launch era.
nV has the fastest single GPU but AMD owns perf/$ and perf/W.

And I think AMD being able to tweak Cypress -> Cayman and gain such boosts with minimal die size increase is actually an impressive feat compared to nV jury-riggin' GF100 -> GF110.

yes but fermi is not as old as Cypress, as far as actual mass-implementation so I feel like AMD has also had alot more time than GF100-GF110. Then again this could all be for nothing since we dont actually have drivers yet.

 

[niko084]

I can live with my reference 6870, but I'd much rather have something quieter under load.

Tis why we invented water blocks

Lets give up the Nvidia VS Ati trash for one thread maybe?
Last I checked the title didn't say 6970 vs 580 benchmarks!

 

[largon]

yes but fermi is not as old as Cypress, as far as actual mass-implementation so I feel like AMD has also had alot more time than GF100-GF110.

nV had to spin GF100 three times (A3) before retailing it so that means something like a 6 month delay. There goes the time difference.

 

[Wile E]

I was hoping for a bigger leap from the 5870. I will reserve judgment until the TPU benches release.

 

[N3M3515]

OH MY god....
Why are people so f***ing stupid? doesn't anyone READ?

1. 6900's series is not a f***ing new generation, it's the SAME 40nm!!!, don't dream with 80% leaps!! IT'S A REFRESH!

2. FAIL????......omfg......FYI AMD/ATI every new iteration, closes the gap to nvidia!
HD3850 < HD3870 < 8800GT < 8800GTX
HD4850 < GTX260 = HD4870 < GTX280
HD5850 < GTX470 < HD5870 < GTX480
HD6950 <= GTX570 < HD6970 <= GTX580 (acording to leaks)

GET IT??

PD: 1536 shaders and almost equal perf than GTX580!! Bravo AMD!
PD2: could it mean they plan to release a 1920sp refresh part? who knows!, maybe it beats GTX580!!, maybe nv has a refresh planned aswell! (maybe overclocked because fermi's max shaders are 512)

 

[niko084]

PD: 1536 shaders and almost equal perf than GTX580!! Bravo AMD!
PD2: could it mean they plan to release a 1920sp refresh part? who knows!, maybe it beats GTX580!!, maybe nv has a refresh planned aswell! (maybe overclocked because fermi's max shaders are 512)

Well before you start going into a tyrant let me inform you that the entire shader design between ATI and Nvidia are totally different.

And yes, they probably will not see a huge performance difference, just some baseline design tweaks, which are indeed helpful.

Lastly considering the release date of the GTX580, a refresh will not be coming for at least 6-12 months, if they even do one, by then ATI will most likely be ready with their next either refresh or design.

 

[wolf]

dual chip cards from both camps coming soon, thats a beast waiting to happen.

even if its only a dual GF104, that's going to be one frikken potent card. also very keen to see what AMD pull out in the way of a dual cayman.

 

[N3M3515]

Well before you start going into a tyrant let me inform you that the entire shader design between ATI and Nvidia are totally different.

And yes, they probably will not see a huge performance difference, just some baseline design tweaks, which are indeed helpful.

Lastly considering the release date of the GTX580, a refresh will not be coming for at least 6-12 months, if they even do one, by then ATI will most likely be ready with their next either refresh or design.

Don't get me wrong, i was not being sarcastic about the 1536 shaders, bravo amd for making a gpu with less shaders than the 5870 and making it almost equal in perf to the GTX 580.

Also, what everyone fails to see is that the jump from hd5870 to hd6970 is bigger than gtx480 to gtx580, again, acording to benchmark leaks.

 

[crow1001]

Yeah that jump is because the 5870 tessellation capabilities sucked ass, the 6970 corrects this but still it sucks in less tessellated games, for a card thats come out 15 months after the 5870, it's crap performance which the reviews will show. AMD are pricing this card way below the 580 because it does not compete.

 

[N3M3515]

I don't know how to explain it for you to understand my friend....it's FOURTY nm!!! 40!! what did you expected??? 50% over 5870??? dreamer!, and it's closer to the gtx580 than 5870 ever was to gtx480.

 

[bear jesus]

Yeah that jump is because the 5870 tessellation capabilities sucked ass, the 6970 corrects this but still it sucks in less tessellated games, for a card thats come out 15 months after the 5870, it's crap performance which the reviews will show. AMD are pricing this card way below the 580 because it does not compete.

Could you direct the rest of us to this official information you must be quoting?

Can't everyone just wait until the official reviews before saying how crappy and fail the 69xx cards are, I'm not saying they won't be but it would be nice for people to give exact examples of why they are so bad

 

[crow1001]

Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SPs than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.

 

[bear jesus]

Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SP's than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.

What reviews?

 

[N3M3515]

Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SP's than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.

You are the one whining, i don't care if it doesnt beat the gtx 580 i do care about price/performance ratio. that's what's important.

MAYBE a 1920sp refresh part will beat the gtx580, but i don't think nv won't do anything about it.

 

[Red_Machine]

I don't know how to explain it for you to understand my friend....it's FOURTY nm!!! 40!! what did you expected??? 50% over 5870??? dreamer!, and it's closer to the gtx580 than 5870 ever was to gtx480.

Please don't capitalise and overuse exclamation marks and question marks. It's rather annoying, not to mention rude.

 

[wahdangun]

wow the fanboy wars really intense in every tech forum, can AMD release the card faster, because its look like it gonna be have a lot casualties from both side

 

[mdsx1950]

The only way to end the war is the benchmarks.

 

[Delta6326]

when does nda end? or what ever its called

 

[btarunr]

when does nda end? or what ever its called

Sometime tomorrow (12/15).