Socket Pin Burnout Returns to Haunt LGA1155?

newtekie1 · Jan 17, 2011

Some things should be cleared up.

1.) We do not know that he received the board this way from Gigabyte. He simply states that "upon arrival" there were burnt pins. However, he could have recieved it from another reviewer that tested it first, and the reviewer screwed up the pins. I know that when you review parts, they don't always come directly from the manufacturer. The manufacturer sends out the part to one person for review, then tells the reviewer where to send it when they are done.

2.) The reviewer posting about the problem has no idea what voltage was used, because he didn't burn the pins.

Now, as for my own observations from the pictures, it seems at least one of the pins is actually broken off. So my guess would be that one of the previous reviewers were a little rough with removing and inserting the processor, and broke a few pins. This was still enough to make contact, but caused the arcing situation. Of course there is the other pin that isn't broken but is still burnt, but that can be caused by the extra stress of more power going through that one pin because the others are failing.

bear jesus · Jan 17, 2011

newtekie1 said:
So my guess would be that one of the previous reviewers were a little rough with removing and inserting the processor, and broke a few pins. This was still enough to make contact, but caused the arcing situation. Of course there is the other pin that isn't broken but is still burnt, but that can be caused by the extra stress of more power going through that one pin because the others are failing.

I had just assumed that maybe the pin was stuck to the CPU after the burn out and was broke when removing it but surly that would be something you would not miss as i thought when the retention bracket was open there was nothing holding the CPU in the socket thus any resistance would be very noticeable.

Hayder_Master · Jan 17, 2011

why they lame INTEL, i know gigabyte sockets made by FOXCONN, if have gigabyte p55 series u can see it written on the side, and i read something exactly like this when was searching on bad things on Gigabyte p55 mobos.
LOTES still best socket made manufacture.
also they say new gigabyte A series sockets made by LOTES

cadaveca · Jan 17, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Some things should be cleared up.

1.) We do not know that he received the board this way from Gigabyte. He simply states that "upon arrival" there were burnt pins. However, he could have recieved it from another reviewer that tested it first, and the reviewer screwed up the pins. I know that when you review parts, they don't always come directly from the manufacturer. The manufacturer sends out the part to one person for review, then tells the reviewer where to send it when they are done.

lots of reviewers are like "if I don't get to keep the parts, I'm not very likely to do the review. Keeping the parts sent for review is how reviewers, in the most part, get paid. Guys selling lots of "new" parts, on a regular basis...reviewer.

newtekie1 · Jan 17, 2011

cadaveca said:
lots of reviewers are like "if I don't get to keep the parts, I'm not very likely to do the review. Keeping the parts sent for review is how reviewers, in the most part, get paid. Guys selling lots of "new" parts, on a regular basis...reviewer.

Not how it works. And reviewers get paid by ad revenue generated by their review, not by keeping the parts to resell. Ask W1z if he gets to keep the cards he reviews and I bet he responds something like:

W1zzard said:
whether the sample goes back or not depends on the company.

i have no problem sending stuff back as long as i can keep one card for rebenching (which i'm doing right now. 5 days of non-stop benching so far and not even done with nvidia)

no problem sharing the coke, hookers will be decided on a case by case basis

And in a lot of cases they won't tell you to ship the part back, instead they will tell you to ship it to the next reviewer. Saves time and money on shipping the part back to the company only to have them ship it to the next reviewer themselves. Of course the down side is situations like this where the part was damaged by a previous reviewer.

Link108 · Jan 17, 2011

I would not assume that GB or intel are at fault when there isn't enough information in this blog. I've build two computers with GB mobos and have had nps. I'm also waiting on one for my new system. GB is top of the line quality just like Asus, MSI. There is not enough information here to make a logical choice as to what really happend.

overclocking101 · Jan 17, 2011

ALL new 1155 mobo reviews I've seen ALL have the LOTES hold down at least and most whole LOTES socket, Personally I think this is a freak accident as there is only one report before big time benchers all over were getting it and that is not the case now. Besides the foxconn issues were sorted out VERY soon after initial reports. I am using a 2nd gen foxconn socket on my P55 and NEVER any sighns of any socket burning, this is with 6 diff cpu's from 2 to 8 cores, ALL benched hard.

erocker · Jan 17, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Not how it works. And reviewers get paid by ad revenue generated by their review, not by keeping the parts to resell. Ask W1z if he gets to keep the cards he reviews and I bet he responds something like:

Not how it works. Speaking in terms of the actual reviewer, many reviewers get paid by being able to keep the product. Many other reviewers get paid per review, keep the product, etc.

Completely Bonkers · Jan 17, 2011

I'm really surprised that a low-voltage contact can arc. Yes, I would expect a higher-than-spec current through a small or bad contact could cause a "burnout" just like the way a fuse works, but I am really surprised that circa 1v can create an arc.

For anyone with a physics background, I have just learned about Paschen curves and field emission. Here is an easy read for those interested: http://www.lorentzcenter.nl/lc/web/2010/424/PROBLEMS/NXP/OverviewWallashspie.pdf

Steevo · Jan 17, 2011

This isn't in a vacum, however that looks more like the pins were carrying more than they could handle. Arcing should occur on the pads as they are physically closer than the pins.

HillBeast · Jan 18, 2011

Glad I'm on 1366. That's all I have to say. Oh and 1156/1155 fanbois who flame me saying 'OH IT WAS JUST A FEW BOARDS THAT DID IT! 1156/1155 IS STILL GOOD!!1one'. STFU. Your socket is for mainstream. Stop trying to use it for high end. Get 1366 and stop being a cheapskate.

newtekie1 · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
Glad I'm on 1366. That's all I have to say. Oh and 1156/1155 fanbois who flame me saying 'OH IT WAS JUST A FEW BOARDS THAT DID IT! 1156/1155 IS STILL GOOD!!1one'. STFU. Your socket is for mainstream. Stop trying to use it for high end. Get 1366 and stop being a cheapskate.

You can go on about your 1366 being so much more extreme than my 1156, but when my 1156 is outperforming your 1366 for half the price it doesn't really hold up.

Deleted member 74752 · Jan 18, 2011

My bud on the bot team has been banging his Gigabyte (GA-P67A-UD5) for a week now at 5.3GHz on water and reports no problems.

miahallen · Jan 18, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Some things should be cleared up.

1.) We do not know that he received the board this way from Gigabyte. He simply states that "upon arrival" there were burnt pins. However, he could have recieved it from another reviewer that tested it first, and the reviewer screwed up the pins. I know that when you review parts, they don't always come directly from the manufacturer. The manufacturer sends out the part to one person for review, then tells the reviewer where to send it when they are done.

2.) The reviewer posting about the problem has no idea what voltage was used, because he didn't burn the pins.

Now, as for my own observations from the pictures, it seems at least one of the pins is actually broken off. So my guess would be that one of the previous reviewers were a little rough with removing and inserting the processor, and broke a few pins. This was still enough to make contact, but caused the arcing situation. Of course there is the other pin that isn't broken but is still burnt, but that can be caused by the extra stress of more power going through that one pin because the others are failing.

The board was sent to me directly from Gigabyte HQ in TW...but it appeared to have been used previously.

buggalugs · Jan 18, 2011

miahallen said:
The board was sent to me directly from Gigabyte HQ in TW...but it appeared to have been used previously.

That makes sense, if they are loan/test boards they most likely have been tested by several people. Why give out brand new boards for you guys to wreck. Hahaha

No doubt the first thing the testers do is push the board to its limits and someone went a little too far. When its not your board and you didnt pay for it who cares right?

This publicity could be a little unfair to Gigabyte, if a tester pumped 1.8v into it, its hardly Gigabyte's fault its wrecked.

miahallen · Jan 18, 2011

The boards I get from Gigabyte are mine for keeps....
I don't think the boards have been available long enough to have sent them to other reviewers before me....but I don't know that for fact.

HillBeast · Jan 18, 2011

newtekie1 said:
You can go on about your 1366 being so much more extreme than my 1156, but when my 1156 is outperforming your 1366 for half the price it doesn't really hold up.

Pics or it didn't happen.

LAN_deRf_HA · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
Glad I'm on 1366. That's all I have to say. Oh and 1156/1155 fanbois who flame me saying 'OH IT WAS JUST A FEW BOARDS THAT DID IT! 1156/1155 IS STILL GOOD!!1one'. STFU. Your socket is for mainstream. Stop trying to use it for high end. Get 1366 and stop being a cheapskate.

Yeah, I'm sure all the 5Ghz sandybridge chips out there are trembling in their boots from fear of your old hot and hungry 1366.

HillBeast · Jan 18, 2011

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Yeah, I'm sure all the 5Ghz sandybridge chips out there are trembling in their boots from fear of your old hot and hungry 1366.

LGA2011. Durr.

EDIT: Also you're bashing 1366 when your system has a 1366 CPU.

DrPepper · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
LGA2011. Durr.

EDIT: Also you're bashing 1366 when your system has a 1366 CPU.

I think he's aware of the fact he has a 1366.

pr0n Inspector · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
LGA2011. Durr.

EDIT: Also you're bashing 1366 when your system has a 1366 CPU.

well duh, why can't he do that?

HillBeast · Jan 18, 2011

DrPepper said:
I think he's aware of the fact he has a 1366.

pr0n Inspector said:
well duh, why can't he do that?

I'm not pointing out to him he has 1366, I'm pointing out it's stupid to be saying...

LAN_deRf_HA said:
old hot and hungry 1366

...when you are running it yourself implying 1366 is a piece of garbage. 1366 is still the best platform for any CPU. Period. Until 2011 comes out, 1366 will remain the best. It has the best features, best performance, best overclocking, best reliability, best CPUs and most importantly: most pins meaning less chance for arcing because of people using mainstream to do high end stuff. Leave mainstream for mainstream. Buy 1366 if you want to overclock, and if you want to get bang for buck then why didn't you buy AMD? Lynnfield is only there to fill a market hole between Clarkdale and Bloomfield/Gulftown.

bear jesus · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
...when you are running it yourself implying 1366 is a piece of garbage. 1366 is still the best platform for any CPU. Period. Until 2011 comes out, 1366 will remain the best. It has the best features, best performance, best overclocking, best reliability, best CPUs and most importantly: most pins meaning less chance for arcing because of people using mainstream to do high end stuff. Leave mainstream for mainstream. Buy 1366 if you want to overclock, and if you want to get bang for buck then why didn't you buy AMD? Lynnfield is only there to fill a market hole between Clarkdale and Bloomfield/Gulftown.

Just because something is old and runs hot does not mean it is garbage but when when new mid range single threaded quad cores can trade blows with the old dual threaded 6 core then it's not exactly the best thing out there meaning your assertion of it being the best performance is flawed, the new cores can overclock to around or over 5ghz on air so by far the current best overclockers, reliability wise is there a reason why you think the new CPU's would be less reliable? and why do you think more pins decreases the risk of arcing? surly the more pins you have the higher the risk one of them could arc due to a bad contact? even though it was just caused by low quality sockets because of a company's bad product so hardly something to effect all boards with sockets from all company's.

People buy mainstream parts and push them because they can and they can handle it otherwise there would be a lot of unhappy members on here.

HillBeast · Jan 18, 2011

bear jesus said:
Just because something is old and runs hot does not mean it is garbage but when when new mid range single threaded quad cores can trade blows with the old dual threaded 6 core then it's not exactly the best thing out there meaning your assertion of it being the best performance is flawed

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=192 <- Need I say more? It isn't trading blows. It's not even close. Also I never said old and hot = garbage, I said he implied it.

bear jesus said:
the new cores can overclock to around or over 5ghz on air so by far the current best overclockers

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118081 <- Um yeah. 5GHz...

bear jesus said:
reliability wise is there a reason why you think the new CPU's would be less reliable?

Socket Pin Burnout Returns to Haunt LGA1155? - Pa... <- You're looking at it.

bear jesus said:
and why do you think more pins decreases the risk of arcing? surly the more pins you have the higher the risk one of them could arc due to a bad contact?

I am going to assume you never learnt about electronics before? The more contacts, the less resistance something has. It's common sense. If you have two pipes feeding a house with water, it's not going to be as good as three pipes. Two pipes will need to feed more water in and it is more strain on the pipes. Do I need to pull up Wikipedia to prove this?

bear jesus said:
even though it was just caused by low quality sockets because of a company's bad product so hardly something to effect all boards with sockets from all company's.

But this is the bad press and bad press sticks. I don't recall seeing anywhere near as much bad press about 1366 arcing as 1156 or 1155 have, let alone at all. I'm probably wrong on that one though because Google can be unreliable.

bear jesus said:
People buy mainstream parts and push them because they can and they can handle it otherwise there would be a lot of unhappy members on here.

Or people could stop being cheapskates, pay more and not whinge when it craps out because it is much higher quality.

Frick · Jan 18, 2011

HillBeast said:
Or people could stop being cheapskates, pay more and not whinge when it craps out because it is much higher quality.

Wow, have you been in contact with humanity lately? :laugh:

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