19 September Launch Day for FX Series Processors

[xenocide]

Price for Sabertooth 990FX already gets lower, atleast in Israel: once it was released it was priced ~1500 sheckels, now 1000 sheckels (~250 USD); wait till September 19 (the date FX-8150/8100 released ) & if the price sinks all the way down to 200 USD

So you're theory is that when demand goes up, the price will go down? I guess ignoring the basic theories of Economics is acceptable...

 

[cadaveca]

Saying "only Intel knows" earlier was too much work for you I guess, thanks anyway. Keep on topic.

I'm sorry, but I did not read your question, as i just entered the thread when I posted.

But the fact of the matter is that the market is far too volatile to make such speculation, and Intel is so big, they could do just nothing, even if Bulldozer kicks SB's butt.

 

[Thatguy]

i hope it beats out SB and comes close to SB-E

i feel like intel has been just stringing along, they could have probably released a 4.4GHz SB chip already, but lack of competition has made them unwilling to unleash such performance.

Don't belive that for a minute. Intel is still competing with AMD, and the APU's scare the hell out of them in mobile and desktop.Also AMD has the right parts going forward for tablet etc. In fact I think AMD and intel are actually racing to x86 phones in a hurry. the only real monopoly intel has now is server, which if bd hits all of its goals, will make AMD very competitive.

 

[Melvis]

Those stock clocks are insane.

How does a 4.0GHz+ Phenom X6 go compared to a 2600K? at stock clocks

 

[happita]

Those stock clocks are insane.

How does a 4.0GHz+ Phenom X6 go compared to a 2600K? at stock clocks

While that would be nice, it wouldn't be exactly "fair" since the PII x6 has 2 extra cores...I was thinking this...


What I'd like to see is a clock for clock based comparison. Let's say:

4Ghz PII 970/975/980 vs. 4Ghz FX4100 vs. 4Ghz i7 2600k....

Now THAT would be interesting and would confirm which architecture is superior.

 

[Thatguy]

While that would be nice, it wouldn't be exactly "fair" since the PII x6 has 2 extra cores...I was thinking this...


What I'd like to see is a clock for clock based comparison. Let's say:

4Ghz PII 970/975/980 vs. 4Ghz FX4100 vs. 4Ghz i7 2600k....

Now THAT would be interesting and would confirm which architecture is superior.

Who fucking cares, its performance per $$$ that matters and it always has but in the few rare applications where all out performance matters.

 

[happita]

Who fucking cares, its performance per $$$ that matters and it always has but in the few rare applications where all out performance matters.

I never said that performance : dollar didn't matter. I'm saying that after all this time, if AMD put out all the stops for this CPU in order to finally compete on the same level as Intel, price really shouldn't matter because it was all about catching up. The performance : price has always been AMD's piece of pie, but Intel has long taken that over since their first gen i7 processors. However, I'm confident that AMD is making all the right decisions this time around and focusing on the more important things like you said in your earlier post about getting more market share in the laptop/APU/tablet industry.

 

[xenocide]

How does a 4.0GHz+ Phenom X6 go compared to a 2600K? at stock clocks

It's not even close. The 2600k is significantly more powerful. I saw nobody really answered this question initially so I figured I would. According to Tom's Hardware's nice Chart's;

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/benchmarks,112.html

The only chart I really see it close enough at stock speeds to have a chance when OCed, is Cinebench (Multi-Threaded). There's also an interesting comparison they did comparing the effectiveness of Architecture alone, obviously it should be taken with a grain on salt;

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974.html

 

[twilyth]

Isn't performance per watt the most important consideration in a lot of applications? I think that's probably true for any kind of mobile platform, at least up to a point. I mean are you willing to sacrifice 10% in performance to get 50% more battery life? Maybe. Especially if you're not happy with 6 or 8 or 10hours of battery only run time.

On the server side, I don't know. I'm always bitching about my electricity bill but then my rates seem to be higher than most people I've discussed this with. If you run a server farm that consumes more in a day than the average household does in a year, how important is that to you? Does it pay for you to buy 10 extra server racks to compensate or do you still go for raw performance?

 

[xenocide]

Isn't performance per watt the most important consideration in a lot of applications? I think that's probably true for any kind of mobile platform, at least up to a point. I mean are you willing to sacrifice 10% in performance to get 50% more battery life? Maybe. Especially if you're not happy with 6 or 8 or 10hours of battery only run time.

On the server side, I don't know. I'm always bitching about my electricity bill but then my rates seem to be higher than most people I've discussed this with. If you run a server farm that consumes more in a day than the average household does in a year, how important is that to you? Does it pay for you to buy 10 extra server racks to compensate or do you still go for raw performance?

Performance Per Watt isn't exactly a prime concern for the enthusiast market. I definitely agree that in Laptops it is very important, and in Servers it is also something that should be considered, but when it comes to like a Gaming Rig, odds are you aren't exactly looking for the most Energy-Efficient setup, but rather the best Performance Per Cost. That is the main reason CPU's like the i5-2500k and 965 X4 BE ended up doing so well, they offered great performance at their price point (I think especially so with the i5-2500k).

 

[bucketface]

i think i'll take the september 19th date with a grain of salt since there's still 2 days left b4 the soonest date they gave for release. Until then August 28 is the latest official date.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...d-bulldozer-to-be-released-in-60-90-days.html
60 days from that slide = july 29, 90 days = Aug 28
here's hoping they actually hard launch it in that period.
i wouldn't be too suprised though if they just paper launch b4 Aug 28 and hard launch on Sept 19.

 

[Jonap_1st]

So you're theory is that when demand goes up, the price will go down? I guess ignoring the basic theories of Economics is acceptable...

when product demand goes up, the stock pile will get decreased, that makes a product goes rare, and eventualy will attract some seller to sell it on higher price..

that problem will be solved if manufacturer can sustain and manage to build enough stock to prevent the product going scarce.

 

[jpierce55]

Is there a remote chance the Sandy Bridge lineup will get a price cut when Bulldozer is released, more concretely the i3 2100 and i5 2400?

IF Bulldozer is competitive in price and performance there is a good chance of it. Intel is not going to let any edge they have slip.

 

[YautjaLord]

So you're theory is that when demand goes up, the price will go down? I guess ignoring the basic theories of Economics is acceptable...

What can i say - come to Israel to actually witness it yourself? Other than that - what Jonap said. Xenocide? Like Xenomorph genocide in one word? Hi, i'm YautjaLord - the Xenomorphs genocider. lol

Jokes aside, you visit this thread to see that if Dozer will beat SB/SB-E/IB it'll help you decide whether you change your i7 2500K or not? Good luck. *not sarcastic*

 

[Thatguy]

IF Bulldozer is competitive in price and performance there is a good chance of it. Intel is not going to let any edge they have slip.

Seriously, I think the last edge intel has is process tech and that won't last much longer.

 

[yogurt_21]

I'm sorry, but I did not read your question, as i just entered the thread when I posted.

But the fact of the matter is that the market is far too volatile to make such speculation, and Intel is so big, they could do just nothing, even if Bulldozer kicks SB's butt.

That's exactly what they did during the whole Athlon 64 vs Pentium 4 debacle and they didn't seem any worse for wear then.

still though, I just can't see bulldozer kicking SB's butt.

 

[cadaveca]

It's very important to note that even if BD is what some would consider a failure, I don't think that will matter too much either, as we saw with Phenom 1 chips. And AMD is in a much better situation now, especially considering thier contract wins in the console space.

I really was expecting chips a few weeks sooner, so I can only hope they made some breakthrough in the meantime. I mean, after all, production of these chips isn't really going to start until August, so there's no telling what they might have done in the past few months.

For all we know, this info came out becuase they've finalized thier production design, and chips are being minted right this very moment...

 

[de.das.dude]

when do we expect some reviews?

 

[erocker]

when do we expect some reviews?

Read the title of the thread you just posted in.

 

[de.das.dude]

Read the title of the thread you just posted in.

dont they send samples before launch??

my bad.

 

[erocker]

dont they send samples before launch??

my bad.

Sure they do. I could be wrong and the reviews could go out a day or two.. maybe a week before they're available in retail. Everything with AMD is "wait and see".

 

[TheMailMan78]

It's very important to note that even if BD is what some would consider a failure, I don't think that will matter too much either, as we saw with Phenom 1 chips. And AMD is in a much better situation now, especially considering thier contract wins in the console space.

I really was expecting chips a few weeks sooner, so I can only hope they made some breakthrough in the meantime. I mean, after all, production of these chips isn't really going to start until August, so there's no telling what they might have done in the past few months.

For all we know, this info came out becuase they've finalized thier production design, and chips are being minted right this very moment...

I agree. Ya know a lot of people trash the Phenom 1 and 2. But fail to realize the tech in them are almost 10 years old. AMD really got all the juice they could out of that orange.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I don't think Bulldozer can fail, short of a design flaw that affects all users. The Phenom I chips were...below expectations, but not a failure. What made this look like failures were the cold bug and the TBL bug (I forget, so that name may be wrong). Both only affected small groups, overclockers using LN2 and people using the virtualization. Then AMD further made the chips look bad with the Phenom II that completely out classed those chips in every possible way.

As for the competition with Intel, I don't care how they get it done as long as they get it done. I think clock for clock and price/performance are both important, but price/performance is king. So while I would like to see a 2500K vs. an FX-4100 at the same clock rate, I am more concerned about a 2600K vs. FX-8150. Comparison to Phenom II is a given, but I could live without if say the 8150 can at least go blow for blow with the 2600K.

 

[Melvis]

While that would be nice, it wouldn't be exactly "fair" since the PII x6 has 2 extra cores...I was thinking this...


What I'd like to see is a clock for clock based comparison. Let's say:

4Ghz PII 970/975/980 vs. 4Ghz FX4100 vs. 4Ghz i7 2600k....

Now THAT would be interesting and would confirm which architecture is superior.

I can understand what your saying and agree to a point. But i more so asked this so i can get abit of an idea how well these new Bulldozer 8 core CPU's will perform to SB.

So lets say (and i dont know yet) if a Phenom X6 clocked at 4.2GHz seems to be sorta the same performance as a 2600K at stock clocks then i would presume that a 8core BD should out perform a 2600K (in mainly multi threaded apps of course) by a good 2 core extra performance (whatever that is in %) This is going by these clock speeds that have been given to us and also guessing (but id say im wrong) that single core performance is the same as a Phenom II. If you see what im getting at?

It's not even close. The 2600k is significantly more powerful. I saw nobody really answered this question initially so I figured I would. According to Tom's Hardware's nice Chart's;

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/benchmarks,112.html

The only chart I really see it close enough at stock speeds to have a chance when OCed, is Cinebench (Multi-Threaded). There's also an interesting comparison they did comparing the effectiveness of Architecture alone, obviously it should be taken with a grain on salt;

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974.html

Well i didn't see any comparisons that i was looking for, unless i was looking in the wrong spot? and i don't trust Toms hardware sorry.

 

[HalfAHertz]

So you're theory is that when demand goes up, the price will go down? I guess ignoring the basic theories of Economics is acceptable...

It depends entirely on the market. Capitalism doesn't work as well on a smaller scale. Imagine his situation where at best there's only two if not just a single hardware vendor supplying parts at his location. And Maybe only one of those decides to load the latest hardware.
At first they will buy just a few parts to see how they sell and as more and more people show interest and their sales grow, they'll buy larger volumes of stockand will get them at a discounted price. With time that saving will slowly trickle down to the customers.