Sandy Bridge-E Won't Pack Stock Coolers, Intel to Sell them Separately

[CDdude55]

Smart move imo, it lowers the SKU's overall cost and when taking into consideration the expected performance and power usage, a stock cooler would be a time waster to include or install on such a chip.

 

[Sir B. Fannybottom]

I like this, isn't about $15 of a new amd chip the cooler? I just throw them in a corner, do you think I could sell them to a crap metal guy?

 

[Jegergrim]

As far as I know they sell them afterwards for up to $35, and for all we know, they could sell the new chips at the exact same price w/o the HSF...

 

[Sir B. Fannybottom]

As far as I know they sell them afterwards for up to $35, and for all we know, they could sell the new chips at the exact same price w/o the HSF...

Well, it's a new proc for a new socket so there isn't really a set price, heres the question though, if this proc is $1000 and to get a heatsink with it, it's $1005 would you get it? I would, If I'm paying that much, might aswell. They will prob have these bundles, it will prob just be a few bucks more. I think most people would if it's $5 or close to that, $5 is like 2 cups of coffee.

 

[Jegergrim]

Yes I would, but honestly I would see no reason for Intel/AMD to ship the chips without HSF if we are talking about a 5 dollar difference, I can understand anywhere from 10-15 though

 

[Sir B. Fannybottom]

Yes I would, but honestly I would see no reason for Intel/AMD to ship the chips without HSF if we are talking about a 5 dollar difference, I can understand anywhere from 10-15 though

I don't know if they would really have these, but why not? I would pay up to $10, and most of the people would too, If you're getting a intel proc you're richlaugh: you know it's right, I'm a AMD fanboy and I still think of AMD as a value proc) and that $5 is nothing and you can prob sell it on ebay for a few dollars if they are selling for $30 new.

 

[Jegergrim]

I personally would save as much as possible to spend on other items, e.g. the ram or PSU, but I understand your logic, in a sense investing the 10 dollars

 

[Sir B. Fannybottom]

I personally would save as much as possible to spend on other items, e.g. the ram or PSU, but I understand your logic, in a sense investing the 10 dollars

I know that when I wake up I'm gunna read this and realize how much of a retard I am, because I am prob making no sense, but yeah, but that's mainly people who know are going to use it for HTPCs and crunching that they don't care if it's a bit hot.

 

[Jegergrim]

I believe many people (excluding enthusiasts), would buy it with the HSF like you would, just to have it around in case of need or sell it off afterwards

 

[Hotobu]

I can tell that you've never had to do user support. I understand why you think the argument is absurd, but 'absurd' is SOP when doing user support. You know all those old jokes about users calling tech support because their pc didn't work and it turns out the reason is that it wasn't turned on? Those aren't really jokes but true stories.

As a computer forum, I can guarantee that TPU gets an influx of help requests when these chips hit retail. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and I will admit it gladly if I am, but I fear that I will be right.

I have had to do tech support, but I find that most of the time people's problems were more on the side of profound ignorance than stupidity. The on/off switch thing is always funny, but I chalk that up to oversight, senior moment etc.

I have to reiterate that timidness and ignorance tend to go hand in hand. I just can't see a significant amount of the people who don't know that they need a heatsink not being aware enough to see 2 or more well placed warning labels.

Actually an easy way for all of this to be avoided is to require that 2011 motherboards have a circuit that will only complete when the metal from a heatsink is screwed into the mounting holes. If nothing's detected it'll only boot into the UEFI with the same warning and some instructions.

 

[eidairaman1]

Quite right, and those OEM partners who are going to put high end CPU's in their machines will order a cooler with the CPU no doubt.

Namely Dell. To be serious though shouldnt this lower prices on the cpu since no hs is included anymore.

 

[happita]

That's what we are hoping. However, Intel has done some shady stuff in the past (like most profitable companies do), so it wouldn't surprise me that if the prices remain the same with no cooler.
Or maybe they can knock it off a measly $10 to make us happy /sarcasm

 

[Tatty_Two]

Namely Dell. To be serious though shouldnt this lower prices on the cpu since no hs is included anymore.

Problem is, we will never know the price it would have been including a HSF so it may be an excuse to rip people off, look at it this way, their costs will be reduced without including one, let's be generous and assume that they will pass half of those savings to us and they will add the other half to their margin

 

[eidairaman1]

Problem is, we will never know the price it would have been including a HSF so it may be an excuse to rip people off, look at it this way, their costs will be reduced without including one, let's be generous and assume that they will pass half of those savings to us and they will add the other half to their margin

knowing intel it wont happen

 

[twilyth]

I have had to do tech support, but I find that most of the time people's problems were more on the side of profound ignorance than stupidity. The on/off switch thing is always funny, but I chalk that up to oversight, senior moment etc.

I have to reiterate that timidness and ignorance tend to go hand in hand. I just can't see a significant amount of the people who don't know that they need a heatsink not being aware enough to see 2 or more well placed warning labels.

Actually an easy way for all of this to be avoided is to require that 2011 motherboards have a circuit that will only complete when the metal from a heatsink is screwed into the mounting holes. If nothing's detected it'll only boot into the UEFI with the same warning and some instructions.

I hope you're right. I think most people will have the sense to be cautious and the rest probably would have screwed something else up anyway. But just as an example, take the problem of choosing the right cooler. How many people are going to be able to distinguish between 2011 and some other socket size. Hell, I don't even know which coolers are compatible with which sockets and even a place like Newegg doesn't always spell this out. Now if that particular example is bogus, then what about distinquishing between an AMD and Intel mounting system? That's an easy mistake for a noobie to make. Then we get into issues of applying thermal paste, plugging the fan into the correct header, etc.

All this stuff is obvious to us (well, mostly anyway) but I think even the cautious noobie will be lost unless they decide to buy the Intel recommended heat sink. I'm sure many will do that, but i have to wonder if "many" will mean "all" or even "most."

Like I said, I hope you're right and maybe I'm being unduly pessimistic. It won't be the first time I've been wrong but it will be one of the few times I'll be happy about it.

 

[Wile E]

Quite right, and those OEM partners who are going to put high end CPU's in their machines will order a cooler with the CPU no doubt.

Actually, most OEMs don't buy the heatsinks from Intel anyway. They buy OEM packaged chips by the tray, and commission the heatsinks out the the lowest 3rd party bidder. For instance, most of the older Dells I have ripped apart have Cooler Master branded hsf's.

Problem is, we will never know the price it would have been including a HSF so it may be an excuse to rip people off, look at it this way, their costs will be reduced without including one, let's be generous and assume that they will pass half of those savings to us and they will add the other half to their margin

I don't even care if they pass the savings on to me. It's worth it just to not have to deal with it. I look at it this way, I get the OEM packaging I prefer, but pay the extra for the retail warranty.