AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

[xenocide]

Here, let me highlight the reference to date for you. Read a little more carefully, it's good practice.

Reading past the second line is far too time-consuming.

 

[heky]

Anyone seen this:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/more-sandy-bridge-e-overclocking-details-come-to-light/13639.html

Maybe intel will take the world record from AMD, under LN2 or LHe.

 

[EarthDog]

Only if it scales with cold and there isnt a CB/CBB...which being intel, is doubtful.

 

[Super XP]

So, you quoted an article from 2004, when AMD was still innovating. While I admit during that time frame AMD did a lot of really amazing things, they have failed to really do anything exciting since then. Whether or not they had previously done very impressive things doesn't matter when they fail to do it for such a long time. IBM has done several important things over the years, but I wouldn't say they are on par for Intel when it comes to CPU manufacturing.

You make a very valid point, but remember it was AMD that forced Intel to innovate and finally release the Conroe Architecture which basically caught AMD by surprise. At that time and in my opinion, AMD's CEO made a few mistakes, one being the failure of Barcelona.

Anyway it's been a long time since AMD had something good which is why we are all hoping for a nice Bulldozer success...

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Anyway it's been a long time since AMD had something good which is why we are all hoping for a nice Bulldozer success...

TBH.

IMO BD is just being hyped to death. people will have such high expectations of the CPU then when it fails to live up to those expectations then people will start with the hating and trolling again. Its a vicious circle.

I will withhold my own judgement about BD until i see some solid reviews

 

[Damn_Smooth]

TBH.

IMO BD is just being hyped to death. people will have such high expectations of the CPU then when it fails to live up to those expectations then people will start with the hating and trolling again. Its a vicious circle.

I will withhold my own judgement about BD until i see some solid reviews

Where do you see it being hyped to death? I see way more negativity and FUD being reported about it than anything good.

We need to switch what we're reading.

 

[Bronan]

Generation: Year: Bit Rate: Interconnect Bandwidth Max-Bandwidth
Bandwidth (Per Lane) (16 Lanes)
PCI-Express 1.1 -(2000) -2.5GT/sec 2GB/sec 250MB/sec 8GB/sec
PCI-Express 2.0 -(2007) -5GT/sec 4GB/sec 500MB/sec 16GB/sec
PCI-Express 3.0 -(2012) -8GT/sec 8GB/sec 1GB/sec 32GB/sec
PCI-Express 4.0 -(2016) -16GT/sec 16GB/sec 2GB/sec 64GB/sec

I think it's a safe bet to upgrade to Bulldozer and a nice Socket AM3+ motherboard. Perhaps in about 3 years time the PCI-E 3.0 spec will be fully utilized, until then I don't see a need to wait for a solid Bulldozer upgrade....Just like USB 3.0, it's been out for a while now, but I am still using USB 2.0 and don't plan on using 3.0 for at least another year or 2..

lol this is a nice crystal ball
But i agree untill we see 4 to 16 core video cards you probably still have more then enough with current X8-16 slots ( all fastests 2 core video cards do fine in a X8 slot ) in most cases the cpu are being held resposable for the bottleneck
I have no reason to believe that any change will happen anytime soon, tell me if you have proof other wise
This thread goes back and forth with false and asumed info, i still wait till i see the real deal and then decide which brand is going to deliver my new pc.
For me just a good performing / good priced system is what is my choice, and i like it to do well on scientific/heavy calculations ( a must for me personally)
And ofcourse i would like it not cost me a arm and leg.

 

[nt300]

TBH.

IMO BD is just being hyped to death. people will have such high expectations of the CPU then when it fails to live up to those expectations then people will start with the hating and trolling again. Its a vicious circle.

I will withhold my own judgement about BD until i see some solid reviews

AMD is getting a bad rap for something that is not even out yet. Personally I think Bulldozer is going to perform just as it should, a lot faster than the Phenom II for a much better price tag.

I am sure Bulldozer will be quite competitive vs. Intel's CPU's. Isn't this what we want? To keep the competition and choice vibrant.

I think people forget the FACT Bulldozer is a dam complex design, one is hoping AMD can get this thing running the way it was meant to run like. If it does, AMD has a real winner, something that may once again release the ferocious beast within Intel and force them to further innovate.

 

[Ahhzz]

and as long as they keep trying, but failing, to put each other out of the business, it's better for all of us.

 

[TRWOV]

TBH.

IMO BD is just being hyped to death. people will have such high expectations of the CPU then when it fails to live up to those expectations then people will start with the hating and trolling again. Its a vicious circle.

I agree that people have high expectations but I don't think that BD is being hyped, like at all. Based on what we've seen and my limited understanding of the architecture, BD is going to be a kickass productivity chip but not so much for gaming.

 

[eidairaman1]

I would say Second Gen Bulldozer will

AMD is getting a bad rap for something that is not even out yet. Personally I think Bulldozer is going to perform just as it should, a lot faster than the Phenom II for a much better price tag.

I am sure Bulldozer will be quite competitive vs. Intel's CPU's. Isn't this what we want? To keep the competition and choice vibrant.

I think people forget the FACT Bulldozer is a dam complex design, one is hoping AMD can get this thing running the way it was meant to run like. If it does, AMD has a real winner, something that may once again release the ferocious beast within Intel and force them to further innovate.

 

[HalfAHertz]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4894/amd-confirms-32nm-yield-issues-at-global-foundries

No BulldoZr for U and me

 

[Volkszorn88]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4894/amd-confirms-32nm-yield-issues-at-global-foundries

No BulldoZr for U and me

 

[mastrdrver]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4894/amd-confirms-32nm-yield-issues-at-global-foundries

No BulldoZr for U and me

In related news Charlie says his moles say only Llano is having yield problems. BD is ok.

S|A news

To make things more interesting, SemiAccurate moles tell us that the problems are related to Llano in particular, not the 32nm process. Bulldozer and Trinity, the next two 32nm parts coming out of GloFo, are yielding much better, far above Llano levels.

Personally on this matter I would trust Charlie over Anandtech. Also Anandtech questioning BD is their opinion and not based on anything they proclaim to know or AMD statements.

 

[Frick]

I have a shrine at home devoted to Charlie. Actually it's two shrines, one for Charlie and one for Charlie Sheen so I have total Charlie coverage. And I trust and believe in Charlie and Charlie says he's right and Charlie agree so he's probably right.

 

[repman244]

No BulldoZr for U and me

I don't see a mention of BD having problems, it's Llano (probably because of the GPU).

 

[de.das.dude]

true that the llano is the one with the problems. But, its a better marketing strategy to distribute the losses resulting from the fabrication of llano over multiple products.

This will ease the costs of the llano, without making much significant cost addition to the bulldozer.

You guys must also keep in mind that the Phenom II prices have really plummeted. This shows that after Bulldozer comes out, AMD knows, the existing phenoms wont stand a chance in the market. thats why i think AMD lowered prices and want to emty their stock as fast as they can.

I REALLY REALLY regret buying my Phenom II X4 945 last year at 180$
if i waited i could have gotten a good x6 now

 

[HalfAHertz]

Well let's hope it's only llano then. It kind of makes sence because it's the first chip(brazos is made on TSMC's 40nm HmK LP process) that uses soi for GPUs and GPUs have much denser transistor meshes compared to CPUs so they'd be more prone to errors.

 

[Ahhzz]

I have a shrine at home devoted to Charlie. Actually it's two shrines, one for Charlie and one for Charlie Sheen so I have total Charlie coverage. And I trust and believe in Charlie and Charlie says he's right and Charlie agree so he's probably right.

Winning!!!!!

heheheh

 

[Volkszorn88]

Rejoice!

 

[xenocide]

You guys must also keep in mind that the Phenom II prices have really plummeted. This shows that after Bulldozer comes out, AMD knows, the existing phenoms wont stand a chance in the market. thats why i think AMD lowered prices and want to emty their stock as fast as they can.

Wait what?

That doesn't make any sense. The reason AMD had to lower the price on Phenom II's is to keep their Cost\Performance ratio on par for stuff like Sandy Bridge. It has nothing to do with Bulldozer really. AMD knows their best bet is to tackle the Best Value, so they lowered the price so the Cost\Performance was competitive. Nobody wants to pay the same price for an AMD CPU that performs 30% worse than an Intel CPU of the same price. Ergo, they lower the price so people still buy their CPU, and most likely buy a better GPU from them as well. Business 101. Phenom II's price dropping had NOTHING to do with Bulldozer being good.

 

[Super XP]

Have you guys seen this?
AMD Cancels Next-Gen Komodo Processor, Corona Platform in Favour of New Chips.
AMD's Readies Vishera CPUs, Volan Platform as Next-Gen Desktop

So Socket AM3+ lives on in 2012 with nice super fast Piledriver 8 and 10 Core CPU's... Good move AMD IMO.
LINK:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...r_Corona_Platform_in_Favour_of_New_Chips.html

 

[mastrdrver]

Have you guys seen this?
AMD Cancels Next-Gen Komodo Processor, Corona Platform in Favour of New Chips.
AMD's Readies Vishera CPUs, Volan Platform as Next-Gen Desktop

So Socket AM3+ lives on in 2012 with nice super fast Piledriver 8 and 10 Core CPU's... Good move AMD IMO.
LINK:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...r_Corona_Platform_in_Favour_of_New_Chips.html

Source

 

[Inceptor]

Wait what?

That doesn't make any sense. The reason AMD had to lower the price on Phenom II's is to keep their Cost\Performance ratio on par for stuff like Sandy Bridge. It has nothing to do with Bulldozer really. AMD knows their best bet is to tackle the Best Value, so they lowered the price so the Cost\Performance was competitive. Nobody wants to pay the same price for an AMD CPU that performs 30% worse than an Intel CPU of the same price. Ergo, they lower the price so people still buy their CPU, and most likely buy a better GPU from them as well. Business 101. Phenom II's price dropping had NOTHING to do with Bulldozer being good.

Actually, it probably did have to do with Bulldozer, at least in part; Phenoms and Athlons are coming out of production this quarter, and AMD started to clear out inventory a few months ago.

 

[de.das.dude]

Wait what?

That doesn't make any sense. The reason AMD had to lower the price on Phenom II's is to keep their Cost\Performance ratio on par for stuff like Sandy Bridge. It has nothing to do with Bulldozer really. AMD knows their best bet is to tackle the Best Value, so they lowered the price so the Cost\Performance was competitive. Nobody wants to pay the same price for an AMD CPU that performs 30% worse than an Intel CPU of the same price. Ergo, they lower the price so people still buy their CPU, and most likely buy a better GPU from them as well. Business 101. Phenom II's price dropping had NOTHING to do with Bulldozer being good.

what? costs here plummeted just now after bulldozer was announced! them bastard shop keepers!