AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

[FreedomEclipse]

Powerful is so subjective.

More powerful then Gandalf "you shall not pass!" moment? or are we talking about a different kind of powerful here?

 

[ensabrenoir]

powerful?

Powerful is so subjective. T-minus what, 15 hours???

There will be people, no matter what performance, say this thing is the best CPU since sliced bread. And if it does spank BD, there will be the other side spewing hate. Man, I have been around waaaaay too many product releases and forums over the past 10 years.

Predictable. People are predictable.

PS - Wanna take a bet on 'powerful'? [/QUOT


I believe it will do somethings well. But not above sandy's zipcode. Mid ground between the Phe2 and i5s. Great for amd....meh for intel users. Its all about price & the things bd will be good at that will make the difference.

 

[EarthDog]

More powerful then Gandalf "you shall not pass!" moment? or are we talking about a different kind of powerful here?

Exactly my point. People can find the silver lining out of anything, and conversely will rain on something good's parade.

You have seen hundreds of examples in this thread already and it will only get worse when the benchmarks come out.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Powerful is so subjective. T-minus what, 15 hours???

There will be people, no matter what performance, say this thing is the best CPU since sliced bread. And if it does spank BD, there will be the other side spewing hate. Man, I have been around waaaaay too many product releases and forums over the past 10 years.

Predictable. People are predictable.

PS - Wanna take a bet on 'powerful'?

I believe it will do somethings well. But not above sandy's zipcode. Mid ground between the Phe2 and i5s. Great for amd....meh for intel users. Its all about price & the things bd will be good at that will make the difference.

At it's price point the 8150 has to fall between the i5 and i7 or it's not worthwhile for anybody. Those are my expectations.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I still believe that it wont trump the 2500k or 2600k but i think it will come very very close, very close indeed. However I think SB's overclocking headroom will just make it pull away effortlessly from BD though we've yet to see how overclockable BD is. I know they set a new world record with it at over 8Ghz or whatever, but i want to see 'everyday' overclocking - overclocking that you dont need LN2 for.

 

[Ahhzz]

I think it will fall close to them as well, but price will make the diff....

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

i think the overclocking headroom will honestly surprise more then a few people on what it can achieve 24/7 on a good air cooler. and by that i mean it should be able to clock as good as SB if not better and its less reliant on luck of the draw with the CPU.

 

[heky]

i think the overclocking headroom will honestly surprise more then a few people on what it can achieve 24/7 on a good air cooler. and by that i mean it should be able to clock as good as SB if not better and its less reliant on luck of the draw with the CPU.

It might be, but it will be slower clock for clock, and consume more power.

I dont see in what world does the math ad up, that if the price for BD is lower, its the better chip to buy, if it consumes more power(according to previews) and you ultimately end up paying more.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well some ppl talk and interestingly enough BD might just be cable of higher 24/7 clock speeds then SB so while Intel might have Higher IPC it might be possible to negate it.


and the SB overclocks great is a bit of a misnomer i have SB and it clocks like dog shit

I hit the multi wall at 44x meaning 4,3ghz is the max 100% stable frequency my chip will do.

from what ive heard BD will clock better, and dosent have a multiplier limit like Sandybridge, so

people cooling with Air coolers, all in one water kits, custom water, should be able to match or exceed Sandybridge. on a regular basis if my hunch is correct. this should result in an even playing field.

the next big question is will memory performance scale past 1866mhz

most benchmarks out right now are 1333mhz on all chips not the BD default of 1866, now Sandybridge does have the better IMC, but if BD can effectively overclock and hit higher memory speeds IMC bandwidth may also be negated.

its also been pointed out on xtreme system that apparently theres an issue with how Windows deals with Bulldozer chips. guess we just have to wait and see dont we

also theres issues like XMP profiles on the K chips overclocking all 4 cores to 3.7ghz when turbo kicks on with intel so theres a bunch of things that have to be kept in mind when comparing these chips the XMP profile auto clocking the cpu to 3.7 on all cores for instance voids your CPU warranty so Intel is pushing overclocking on all its K series chips and at the same time its basically voiding everyones warranties theres alot to look at in the SB vs BD senario its all very very interesting

 

[heky]

Ehm...AMD even mentions in its marketing slides for the FX line, that overclocking voids the warranty. So that is nothing new. And i have not had any problems with XMP profiles raising clocks. It doesnt happen on my board.

And you seriously have to have the worst SB chip i have ever seen. Most chips can do 4.4 on stock volts. Ever thought about changing the board?

But yeah, we will see how it goes tomorrow. My opinion is, BD wont be able to compete head to head with SB. But thats just me...

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Ehm...AMD even mentions in its marketing slides for the FX line, that overclocking voids the warranty. So that is nothing new. And i have not had any problems with XMP profiles raising clocks. It doesnt happen on my board.

And you seriously have to have the worst SB chip i have ever seen. Most chips can do 4.4 on stock volts. Ever thought about changing the board?

But yeah, we will see how it goes tomorrow. My opinion is, BD wont be able to compete head to head with SB. But thats just me...

Yes, by now everyone knows you hope it won't. If you could refrain from posting your opinions as fact for another 24 hours though, that would be swell.

 

[Jegergrim]

Current prices of BD seems too high in Denmark at least, currently the 8150 is priced exactly at same pricepoint as 2600k... I dont see how that'll last very long, and release seems to be the 19th in Denmark

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Ehm...AMD even mentions in its marketing slides for the FX line, that overclocking voids the warranty. So that is nothing new. And i have not had any problems with XMP profiles raising clocks. It doesnt happen on my board.

And you seriously have to have the worst SB chip i have ever seen. Most chips can do 4.4 on stock volts. Ever thought about changing the board?

But yeah, we will see how it goes tomorrow. My opinion is, BD wont be able to compete head to head with SB. But thats just me...

you missed my point

XMP so say your ram is 1333mhz XMP settings that auto configure your ram to run properly yea that voids your warranty and thats that basically Intels own creation there telling everyone to use voids the warranty and if you send back a chip that did die and you happened to use XMP intel will know and deny replacment and its not the ram its because the XMP profile makes all cores clock up

run manual ram timings with turbo on only 1 core clocks up use xmp all cores clock up thus warranty void its interesting to note that distinction for us it dosent matter

but for joe schmo buying ram that says compatible with such and such use xmp blah blah well you get the idea

eitherway

BD i feel will surprise people by what it can on the cpu clocking front. but the reviews will prove that soon enough

also when looking at Bulldozer benchmarks see if you can find anyone running said benchmarks in Windows 8 in 24hrs all the info will be available and alot of whats going on will come to light haha

 

[heky]

XMP profile makes all cores clock up

No it doesnt, where did you hear that. I can run my ram with XMP and the proc at stock and it doesnt clock any higher than stock turbo clocks. And i dont know where you heard that intel would refuse replacement if using XMP? Really, think about it. How would they even know that?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

 

[cadaveca]

No it doesnt, where did you hear that. I can run my ram with XMP and the proc at stock and it doesnt clock any higher than stock turbo clocks. And i dont know where you heard that intel would refuse replacement if using XMP? Really, think about it. How would they even know that?

If you run anything over stock(1333MHz), you have voided your warranty.


XMP profiles up clocks to 3.7 or 3.8 GHz on 5 boards I have here, including ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, and Zotac, ensuring that you warranty is void no matter what you do. On 3 of those 5 boards, it's quite difficult and involved to get normal, warrantied operation of chips. A couple of the boards jsut up the clocks, XMP or not!

Gigabyte Sniper2 will not allow Turbo and XMP to run at the same time, in fact, which is one of the many reasons I say they need a BIOS update. Teh sniper is the worst offender, with anything over 1333MHz on mem(1600, 1866, 2133 all inclusive), it defaults to 3.8GHz on all cores.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

basically with Intel your always doing it wrong so your warranty is fubared lol

at least AMD hasnt resorted to that

 

[Covert_Death]

so what is AMD's method of determining whether you have OC'd or not? i am actually kind of curious on this for current Phenom II chips and what they will do with BD, because i plan to OC out of the box

 

[Crap Daddy]

I just got the results of my son's school tests. The purpose of the tests was some kind of evaluation for internal purpose for the teachers and us parents to know what is the kid capable of. Now, the results were mixed, good on geography and foreign languages, so and so for math and physics and some other and downright bad for biology and others. Our expectations were high but the results are not what we expected. Now, I can see potential here, I'm sure he can do better than other nerds who spent the last days learning for the tests while my son was playing BF3 Beta. Do you think I can overclock him for the next tests?

 

[Covert_Death]

I just got the results of my son's school tests. The purpose of the tests was some kind of evaluation for internal purpose for the teachers and us parents to know what is the kid capable of. Now, the results were mixed, good on geography and foreign languages, so and so for math and physics and some other and downright bad for biology and others. Our expectations were high but the results are not what we expected. Now, I can see potential here, I'm sure he can do better than other nerds who spent the last days learning for the tests while my son was playing BF3 Beta. Do you think I can overclock him for the next tests?

short answer yes

 

[heky]

@cadaveca and crazyeyesreaper

I just talked to Intel about this voiding warranty stuff. And while it is true, that your warranty is void when using XMP, there is NO WAY for Intel to know that. Confirmed from Intel themselves. So this problem is actually non-existant!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Do you think I can overclock him for the next tests?

a clout around the back of the head will make anyone go faster

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

so you would think but theres other underlying issues that we cant speak on and intel wont tell you about concerning there chips XMP and potential issues it causes.

 

[heky]

so you would think but theres other underlying issues that we cant speak on and intel wont tell you about concerning there chips XMP and potential issues it causes.

Sorry, what?

 

[erocker]

I have no issues with XMP and/or it overclocking any other components. As far as Intel and AMD knowing if you OC'd your chips or not? They don't as far as I know, though they possibly could with the i5/i7 series using the debug pads on the chip. I just really haven't heard of anyone being denied due to overclocking. I've seen people completely destroy chips from Intel and have no problems with RMA. This argument is dumb. If your CPU breaks, RMA it, show no technological know-how. Easy.