AMD Trinity APU Pictured in its Three Package Options

Horrux · Jan 12, 2012

I think AMD has all the reasons in the world to love their APUs to death.

In the CPU segment, they can't hope to compete toe-to-toe with Intel.
In the GPU segment, they are competing toe-to-toe with nVidia, and successfully.
In the APU segment, they have no competition. And Intel can't come and steal AMD's cheese in that market.

So yeah, pushing the APUs seems to me like an extremely smart move on their part.

seronx · Jan 12, 2012

Horrux said:
In the CPU segment, they can't hope to compete toe-to-toe with Intel.

Not really the case in all markets...

In CPU low end and mainstream...AMD CPUs provide the same performance for a much lower price

In the Server market Interlagos 12C is right on Westmere 6C with a much lower price and Interlagos 16C is between Westmere 8C and 10C with much lower prices(I mean much lower prices 6282 SE is $1000-1100 and Westmere 10C variants are within $3000-$5000 huge difference)

With no Sandy Bridge-E competition against the Interlagos CPU anytime soon(Interlagos already has 2P and 4P motherboards available while Sandy Bridge-E only has 1P..since the price to get one i7 3960+1P Motherboard is the same price as two 12C Interlagos+2P Motherboard, If CPU over GPU is the problem I would go for Interlagos over Sandy Bridge-E)

High-end depends on the application...

meirb111 · Jan 12, 2012

seronx said:
Trinity is 25% faster in the CPU part but that is mostly frequency I believe

i am talking about improvement on the same clock .higher frequency isnt an improvement

seronx · Jan 12, 2012

meirb111 said:
i am talking about improvement on the same clock .higher frequency isnt an improvement

Same frequency 50% less TDP

So for Trinity to have the same clocks as Llano....

Trinity "A8-3870K" comparible
3.0GHz CPU
600MHz GPU
~50W TDP

That is why they were able to get 17W Trinity parts(They are the same frequencies as the 35W Llano part)

There is a few rumours going around trying to explain why TDP is halved with Trinity and Vishera*....but most of them revolve around 32nm-SHP not being complete

*1/3rd

joyman · Jan 12, 2012

It is getting better and better. Well can't wait for the ultrathins and hope for tablet/notebook combo variants more than today's two options. Well in the portable market and maybe in the large portion of prebuilt office type computers APUs will rock solid. Well time will tell, but I am very optimistic about this.

Steevo · Jan 12, 2012

25% X86 but no mention of clock speed comparison, and remember how much faster BD was supposed to be than Thuban per core... a shitty play on numbers.

Jermelescu · Jan 12, 2012

25% increase in performance per clock would be damn sweet! I hope, for the sake of humanity, that they won't screw this up. Fingers crossed!

seronx · Jan 12, 2012

Jermelescu said:
25% increase in performance per clock would be damn sweet! I hope, for the sake of humanity, that they won't screw this up. Fingers crossed!

It's 25% higher clocks for the same IPC

Steevo said:
25% X86 but no mention of clock speed comparison, and remember how much faster BD was supposed to be than Thuban per core... a shitty play on numbers.

It wasn't a per core comparison

It was more of this^ 16x Integer SSE4.1
Bulldozer Version 1 is heavily aimed at Integer XOP/SSE4.1/4.2/AVX/FMA4 workloads
Bulldozer Version 2E(Trinity) is heavily aimed at above +FMA3
Bulldozer Version 2L(Vishera) is aimed at improving SSE2-SSE3 performance
With Bulldozer Version 3 aimed at improving Floating Point Performance

Transcoding is done via Integer workloads not Floating Point workloads
X.264 Integer
H.264 Integer
FLAC Integer
and so on

so when you see AMD Performance on Digital Media Workloads that means Integer performance has gone up!

jpierce55 · Jan 13, 2012

Steevo said:
Everyone is, but in the back of their mind they worry about the flops we have experienced with Phenom, Bulldozer and their marketing and disclosures.

Not as much though, since ATI technology is involved.

I say no chance of any competition on the high end, but they said it was for "mainstream" systems anyway, so everybody needs to be realistic. This is not meant to hold anything against Intels top chips.

ensabrenoir · Jan 13, 2012

jpierce55 said:
Not as muc

h though, since ATI technology is involved.

I say no chance of any competition on the high end, but they said it was for "mainstream" systems anyway, so everybody needs to be realistic. This is not meant to hold anything against Intels top chips.

Now if you could somehow get amd fans to understand this... Amd products arent bad just in s different league from intel. Their graphics division rules though...totally

scazbala86 · Jan 13, 2012

btarunr said:
No, FP2 will move into the same 'area' as Intel's BGA1023 (31 x 24 mm) package, on which some of its Core i3 and Core i5 "Sandy Bridge" chips are based.

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1506/SandyBridge_Mobile_Chip.jpg

Ahhhh, ok, I see now, too big for that. It would be interesting to see the E/C series APUs get the bulldozer/piledriver treatment though. Thanks for the info :respect:

Atom_Anti · Jan 13, 2012

The article says; FM1 and FM2 are not compatible with each other. But how about FS1 and FS1r2? It would be awesome to upgrade my Vostro 3555 to Trinity... will be possible?

Steevo · Jan 13, 2012

seronx said:
It's 25% higher clocks for the same IPC

It wasn't a per core comparison

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Sandra11.png

It was more of this^ 16x Integer SSE4.1
Bulldozer Version 1 is heavily aimed at Integer XOP/SSE4.1/4.2/AVX/FMA4 workloads
Bulldozer Version 2E(Trinity) is heavily aimed at above +FMA3
Bulldozer Version 2L(Vishera) is aimed at improving SSE2-SSE3 performance
With Bulldozer Version 3 aimed at improving Floating Point Performance

Transcoding is done via Integer workloads not Floating Point workloads
X.264 Integer
H.264 Integer
FLAC Integer
and so on

so when you see AMD Performance on Digital Media Workloads that means Integer performance has gone up!

A quick search of all he PR bullshit that AMD spewed out without any numbers of reality on them show that per "module" was the overwhelming way they tried to spin it realizing how poor the performance actually was, of course only using standards that have yet to be adopted.

Typical AMD, hey, we can do this new thing 2X faster than the other guys. Nevermind that no one is using it yet, and by the time they do we will be three generations beyond this processor, we can do it NOW....

ATI did the same thing with CTM, Stream, and other apps.

Disruptor4 · Jan 13, 2012

Hey guys, does anyone know a rough ETA of when these new APU's are going to be released? My sister is looking at buying a new laptop and I was hoping she could wait to get these, but she can't wait too long as she needs it for university in a month or so.
Thanks.

Atom_Anti · Jan 14, 2012

Disruptor4 said:
Hey guys, does anyone know a rough ETA of when these new APU's are going to be released? My sister is looking at buying a new laptop and I was hoping she could wait to get these, but she can't wait too long as she needs it for university in a month or so.
Thanks.

These Trinity laptops will hit the stores in May-June, so do not wait her that so long. However the first generation Fusion laptops are pretty awesome as well.

de.das.dude · Jan 14, 2012

waits worth it imo.

Disruptor4 · Jan 14, 2012

Thanks guys. Will let her know to go out and get herself a new one then

System Name	An experiment in continuous upgrading
Processor	Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz \| FX-8570 @ 4.0 Ghz \| Phenom II X4 965
Motherboard	MSI P67A-GD53 \| MSI 990FXA-GD80 \| Asus M4A79 Deluxe
Cooling	Noctua NH-D14 \| Zalman CNPS10x \| Coolermaster*212+
Memory	24gb DDR3-1866 \|8Gb \| 8Gb
Video Card(s)	ASUS GTX 970 Turbo x 2 (SLI) \| Sapphire Radeon 7970 + GTX 670 (PhysX) \| Radeon 4870 1Gb
Storage	2x240gb SSD + 4tb SSHD + HDDs \| 240gb SSD + HDDs \| 120gb SSD + WD Blue 500gb
Display(s)	ASUS VG248 144hz + Samsung S23A700D 120hz + 3D Vision \| 40" Sony 1080p TV \| 23" 1080p
Case	Cooler Master HAF-X \| Lian-Li PC-8 \| Antec 302
Audio Device(s)	Senn. PC360 G4ME \| Sound Blaster Zx \| Generic
Power Supply	Corsair TX850W \| Corsair TX 750 \| OCZ 700
Mouse	Steelseries Sensei \| Logitech G402 W/L \| Generic
Keyboard	Filco Majetouch Ninja Tenkeyless MX Black \| Logitech wireless \|SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red
Software	About 800 top-rated games. \| 200 top-rated games \| No games
Benchmark Scores	No time for benching, I prefer gaming.

System Name	SolarwindMobile
Processor	AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard	Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling	It's Copper.
Memory	2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s)	ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage	TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s)	ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case	Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC255
Power Supply	PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse	SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard	Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software	Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)

System Name	SolarwindMobile
Processor	AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard	Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling	It's Copper.
Memory	2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s)	ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage	TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s)	ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case	Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC255
Power Supply	PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse	SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard	Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software	Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)

System Name	Samolet
Processor	FX-8320 @ 4.5 Ghz
Motherboard	Asus Sabertooth 990FX
Cooling	Phanteks TC14PE
Memory	4x4gb Samsung Green 1600Mhz 9-9-9-27
Video Card(s)	Sapphire 7970 Dual-X
Storage	Intel 335 240gb + WD 1TB
Display(s)	Dell 23" Full HD IPS
Case	NZXT Switch 810 + NZXT Sentry Mix
Audio Device(s)	Xtreme Music
Power Supply	Corsair HX850W

System Name	Compy 386
Processor	7800X3D
Motherboard	Asus
Cooling	Air for now.....
Memory	64 GB DDR5 6400Mhz
Video Card(s)	7900XTX 310 Merc
Storage	Samsung 990 2TB, 2 SP 2TB SSDs, 24TB Enterprise drives
Display(s)	55" Samsung 4K HDR
Audio Device(s)	ATI HDMI
Mouse	Logitech MX518
Keyboard	Razer
Software	A lot.
Benchmark Scores	Its fast. Enough.

AMD Trinity APU Pictured in its Three Package Options

Horrux

seronx

meirb111

seronx

joyman

Steevo

Jermelescu

seronx

jpierce55

ensabrenoir

scazbala86

Atom_Anti

New Member

Steevo

Disruptor4

Atom_Anti

New Member

de.das.dude

Pro Indian Modder

Disruptor4

Processor	e8200 3.93mhz@1.264v
Motherboard	P5E3 Pro
Cooling	Scythe Infinity
Memory	4gb of G.Skill Ripjaw 6-7-7-18@1404 and 1.62v
Video Card(s)	HIS 5770 v2 940/1275mhz stock volts
Storage	1TB Hitachi
Display(s)	Acer 22" Widescreen LCD
Case	Blue Cooler Master Centurion
Audio Device(s)	Onboard audio :(, and Klipsch 5.1 Pro Media's
Power Supply	650 Watt BFG
Software	Vista 64 Ultimate

System Name	iJayo
Processor	i7 14700k
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX z790-E wifi
Cooling	Pearless Assasi
Memory	32 gigs Corsair Vengence
Video Card(s)	Nvidia RTX 2070 Super
Storage	1tb 840 evo, Itb samsung M.2 ssd 1 & 3 tb seagate hdd, 120 gig Hyper X ssd
Display(s)	42" Nec retail display monitor/ 34" Dell curved 165hz monitor
Case	O11 mini
Audio Device(s)	M-Audio monitors
Power Supply	LIan li 750 mini
Mouse	corsair Dark Saber
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121
Software	Window 11 pro
Benchmark Scores	meh... feel me on the battle field!

System Name	TheRig
Processor	AMD Phenom II x4 970 @ Stock
Motherboard	Asus Crosshair IV
Cooling	Cooler Master V8
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Tracer Red LED 2gb x 4
Video Card(s)	XFX Radeon 6950 2gb
Storage	1x Crucial 64gb C300, 2x Seagate SV35.5 500gb
Display(s)	24" LG LED 1080p
Case	Lian Li Lancool K62R1 (Red Interior)
Audio Device(s)	On Board Soundblaster X-Fi
Power Supply	Cooler Master SilentPro 850w
Software	Windows 7 64 bit

System Name	3dfx High End PC
Processor	Intel Pentium 4 3.06GHz@3.7GHz
Motherboard	Abit SA7
Cooling	AC Freezer 4
Memory	512MB Patriot DDR600 TCCD
Video Card(s)	3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP 193/193MHz
Storage	80GB 7200RPM Pata
Display(s)	19" LG Wide TFT-LCD
Case	Cooler Master
Audio Device(s)	integrated
Power Supply	400W
Software	Windows Millenium Edition
Benchmark Scores	3DMark2000: 7100 3DMark2001: 4100

System Name	Uh, my build?
Processor	Intel Core i7 3770k 3.5GHz (3.9GHz turbo)
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H (F8 BIOS)
Cooling	Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
Memory	G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Radeon HD7970 3GB 1GHz Core/5.5GHz Memory
Storage	SanDisk Extreme Pro 960GB & 2TB WD Black & 1TB WD Green
Display(s)	1x Samsung 23" Syncmaster P2350 1x LG 23"
Case	Coolermaster HAF X
Audio Device(s)	Onboard now since store didn't RMA properly
Power Supply	Corsair HX 850W
Software	Win 10 Pro 64bit
Benchmark Scores	3DMark 11 - P8456 - http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3372758

System Name	Monke \| Work Thinkpad\| J1nnx took Old Monke
Processor	Ryzen 5600X \| Ryzen 5500U \| FX8320
Motherboard	ASRock B550 Extreme4 \| ? \| Asrock 990FX Extreme 4
Cooling	240mm Rad \| Not needed \| hyper 212 EVO
Memory	2x16GB DDR4 3600 Corsair RGB \| 16 GB DDR4 3600 \| 16GB DDR3 1600
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse RX6700XT 12GB \| Vega 8 \| Sapphire Pulse RX580 8GB
Storage	Samsung 980 nvme (Primary) \| some samsung SSD
Display(s)	Dell 2723DS \| Some 14" 1080p 98%sRGB IPS \| Dell 2240L
Case	Ant Esports Tempered case \| Thinkpad \| Antec
Audio Device(s)	Logitech Z333 \| Jabra corpo stuff
Power Supply	Corsair RM750e \| not needed \| Corsair GS 600
Mouse	Logitech G400 \| nipple
Keyboard	Logitech G213 \| stock kb is awesome \| Logitech K230
VR HMD	;_;
Software	Windows 10 Professional x3
Benchmark Scores	There are no marks on my bench