Apple Makes More Money Per Employee Than Exxon

[digibucc]

i know - but don't be so specific , we all support them out of lack of options. as long as they can pay workers less in other countries and still sell their product to us , they have got us.
we are consumerist sheep, we couldn't imagine not having the newest shiny toy or the cheapest plastic nic-nac so the fact that some kid died due to poor factory conditions means nothing.

things are the way they are because we the people accept it. plain and simple. so those of us that don't accept it are left arguing whichever extreme we think is the better.

 

[trickson]

i know - but don't be so specific , we all support them out of lack of options. as long as they can pay workers less in other countries and still sell their product to us , they have got us.
we are consumerist sheep, we couldn't imagine not having the newest shiny toy so the fact that some kid died due to poor factory conditions means nothing.

things are the way they are because we the people accept it. plain and simple. so those of us that don't accept it are left arguing whichever extreme we think is the better.

As long as there the ones dieing I am cool with it. After all this is just what they all wanted, well they got it. I needed a turd rifle so I went to walmart looking for one, All they had was one made in China, What was I to do? I needed it so I bought it! If well all stopped buying things made in China we would all soon find that we would have NOTHING at all!

 

[TheMailMan78]

As long as there the ones dieing I am cool with it. After all this is just what they all wanted, well they got it. I needed a turd rifle so I went to walmart looking for one, All they had was one made in China, What was I to do? I needed it so I bought it! If well all stopped buying things made in China we would all soon find that we would have NOTHING at all!

WTF is a turd rifle.....and why would you need one?

 

[trickson]

WTF is a turd rifle.....and why would you need one?

Plunger. LOL. My toilet gets plugged up fast on burrito night.

 

[digibucc]

lol

 

[trickson]

At least my toilet is made in America.

 

[erocker]

My pants were made in Pakistan. Just sayin'.

 

[digibucc]

we want products that cost us less to buy than we are willing to build them for.

i don't see how that can ever work out.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Were all to blame

Businesses are in business to make a profit...point blank. Dont matter how when or where. Consumers like things,cheap. So to make a profit and keep prices low....over seas they go. We like high wages cover everything health plans and Escalades......its all just simple math....and a whole lota greed.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Businesses are in business to make a profit...point blank. Dont matter how when or where. Consumers like things,cheap. So to make a profit and keep prices low....over seas they go. We like high wages cover everything health plans and Escalades......its all just simple math....and a whole lota greed.

I'm not to blame for anything but whats in my yard. I care about them as much as they care about me.

 

[ensabrenoir]

I'm not to blame for anything but whats in my yard. I care about them as much as they care about me.

True....were just a point of sales to them and theyre just .the evil ones.....with cool stuff. If half of these overseas jobs were,here....there would be no recession. If we settled for a little less...(yeah right) the jobs wouldnt go over seas.

 

[trickson]

Truth is there is only one place to place the blame here. The corporations, They had a choice, They had the power to build there products here. They chose knowing good and well just how there cheep labor was going to affect the people they wanted to make there products! Blaming me for what they have done is not going to wash with me. Now when you know how people over seas are being treated and how the corporations don't give a rats ass about this, Just how far are you willing to go to tell them this? Thing is not very far at all. We need things and well Steve jobs knew this and he knew just how cheep to make them new toys too. Now he is dead and Apple still make made in China crap that you all can not live with out. Case closed. Want change? Stop buying there crap. No choice? Yep so best thing to do is just what there people do. Turn a blind eye to it and stop thinking about it.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Truth is there is only one place to place the blame here. The corporations, They had a choice, They had the power to build there products here. They chose knowing good and well just how there cheep labor was going to affect the people they wanted to make there products! Blaming me for what they have done is not going to wash with me. Now when you know how people over seas are being treated and how the corporations don't give a rats ass about this, Just how far are you willing to go to tell them this? Thing is not very far at all. We need things and well Steve jobs knew this and he knew just how cheep to make them new toys too. Now he is dead and Apple still make made in China crap that you all can not live with out. Case closed. Want change? Stop buying there crap. No choice? Yep so best thing to do is just what there people do. Turn a blind eye to it and stop thinking about it.

Every word true...The corps are the greater EVIL... There is no excuse for slave labor...just impossible to convince a guy its better that he and hs family starve instead of working for 1.50 hr ...... Its really one big mess

 

[mechtech]

Businesses are in business to make a profit...point blank. Dont matter how when or where. Consumers like things,cheap. So to make a profit and keep prices low....over seas they go. We like high wages cover everything health plans and Escalades......its all just simple math....and a whole lota greed.

True. BUT they don't seem to be doing it responsibly anymore, I mean wasn't Henry Ford a true American, give people work and pay them so they can afford to buy the stuff they make?

Now adays, outa grade 12 if you're even lucky enough to get a job, it's min wage and nothing, have a hard time getting a used chev cavalier for that.

Sad thing these bone head execs don't realize is that if people can't afford crap they won't buy crap, and on an economy based on capitalism, that doesn't bode well for long term sustainability.

I guess once Europe and North American become 2nd and 3rd world countries someone may finally realize it was the wrong choice.

 

[ensabrenoir]

True. BUT they don't seem to be doing it responsibly anymore, I mean wasn't Henry Ford a true American, give people work and pay them so they can afford to buy the stuff they make?

Now adays, outa grade 12 if you're even lucky enough to get a job, it's min wage and nothing, have a hard time getting a used chev cavalier for that.

Sad thing these bone head execs don't realize is that if people can't afford crap they won't buy crap, and on an economy based on capitalism, that doesn't bode well for long term sustainability.

I guess once Europe and North American become 2nd and 3rd world countries someone may finally realize it was the wrong choice.

Yep......Henery Ford,....even Sam Walton. Kinda....Wal mart used to take great care of employees. Donate tons of money...still a write off though. Thier philosophy died with them. Your right in that we dont havebusiness leaders of that moral magnitude anymore.

 

[erocker]

Yep......Henery Ford,....even Sam Walton. Kinda....Wal mart used to take great care of employees. Donate tons of money...still a write off though. Thier philosophy died with them. Your right in that we dont havebusiness leaders of that moral magnitude anymore.

Really? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rockefellers/sfeature/sf_8.html

 

[ensabrenoir]

^ they dont talk about that in history class anymore......wow.....

 

[Wile E]

My pants were made in Pakistan. Just sayin'.

American Eagle?

 

[erocker]

^ they dont talk about that in history class anymore......wow.....

I was made aware of it in a US history class in college.

American Eagle?

Nope.. wait for it.. Levi's. Lol.

 

[jetpowercom]

Don't let the tail wag the dog

Hello, and thanks for making this forum freely available.

There is no lack of options for manufacturers. Blaming the consumer for getting excited over products whose design and marketing are cleverly designed to create excitement avoids responsibility for knowingly failing to do the right thing.

Business leaders are good at business, not fairness, nor intellectual clarity. Henry Ford, for example, was a great American engineer and innovator of products, production and labor practices. He was also known as an anti-semite, authoring and publishing articles which were reviled in the U.S. and compiled into book form in Nazi Germany, helping to fuel their war effort - an effort which he opposed.

So don't expect Apple's leaders to do the right thing. They don't even necessarily know what it is. Worse yet, they may confuse imperceptibly-slow progress with fair attention to a problem that ruins people's lives right now - today. As someone else here said, Apple can stop this now - today. To get that to happen, they have to be told.

When enough consumers learn of these bad practices - by Apple and others - consumers will demand something else: compliance. Consumers will do so in the form of petitions (which already exist), legislation (which is why we have reasonably safe milk to drink and food to eat) and innovation (which is the sexiest of the three actions).

Innovation includes, but is definitely not limited to, boycotting existing products and creating new products in garages and other safe environments. The good initiatives will survive and the bad (including unhealthy manufacturing and dangerous working conditions) will expire.

This will take some time. My generation may not live to see it. More people will die, and even more will be unfairly maimed and sentenced to painful remainders of lives that should have been as healthy as yours or mine - before sweat-shop manufacturing is ended all over the world.

The fact that we can accelerate the end of unfair working conditions is not thanks to Apple, Foxconn or even IBM - though IBM far exceeds the others in terms of developing products fairly and for those who are already disabled.

We can accelerate the end of unfair working conditions because of the scientists who developed what we now call the internet, and because of the light-gloved government that hears our raised voices regarding internet freedom.

The answer is not in your mobile communicator. It's at your desktop. It's staring at your screen right now.

The answer is with you. As Apple's poison orchard shows, capitalism runs on its own. Democracy requires our energy to keep businesses focused on doing the right thing. This blog is a great way to share and communicate. Organizing makes the difference. You can do it.

NPR's recent This American Life broadcast began a movement. You can help.

Organize to hold accountable those who play unfairly. Do so with voices, laws and wallets. Start today.

 

[Wile E]

Most AE stuff is made in Pakistan as well.

 

[MT Alex]

Diamond Gusset Jeans are still made in America, if anyone is interested.

 

[Easy Rhino]

america has to now compete for labor on a global scale. why hire joe blow american who wants $30/hr plus life time benefits and early retirement when you can hire some poor asian kid who WANTS to work for $0.15 an hour. you would be a moron to choose the selfish fat american.