Pirate Bay Founders Stare At Jailtime as Supreme Court Rejects Appeal

[twilyth]

Just out of curiosity and to save me from having to read the article or whatever, if they're paying $46M in fines, is there any indication of how much they made?

I'm asking because either they made a butt load more and won't have a problem paying the fine, or it's way more than they will ever make and therefore they're essentially judgment proof. In either event, I don't see this case being much of a deterrent. I mean the amount of jail time is laughable. As they often say in the crime dramas, 'I could do 8 months standing on my head.'

 

[Jarman]

I have no problems with people getting paid for their work.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

There are a lot of people posting to this thread who would, if they had any business drive, be screaming bloody murder if they saw someone using something of theirs without paying for it. Grow up.

i agree my only point is that pirateing should not be neccessary to anyone, dev companies could go about their business in a more open way and demo their games , how many games have you bought that actually told you their stupid drm rules in anything but the small print, thats a bit vague and disshonest, ill bet a few PC noobs have bought the same game twice cos they liked it but got locked out, and piracy should deffinately have never been made the easier option by dev companys stupid drm choices

and secondly though its obviouse that companys would want to make all the money for them selves i do also think that the patency laws are truly stupid, and should all elapse much quicker, greed keeps them applied longer ,so more money can be made but many an evolution in human experiance is being culled and muted by the patent man, if all was known after ten years then a quicker evolution of something could happen due to competition

 

[bostonbuddy]

I give the concept of owning intellectual property another 50 years.
The internet was created so information could spread freely across the world, once you open that door you can't close it. Well you could but shutting down the internet would suck.

 

[Frick]

This is the problem with a centralized government. To much power. This is why when the US was formed we wanted the states to have power. Keep power local.

Hey, centralization is nothing but good.

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I give the concept of owning intellectual property another 50 years.
The internet was created so information could spread freely across the world, once you open that door you can't close it. Well you could but shutting down the internet would suck.

In my mind the future of the internet is that we pay for data; free gigabytes will no longer be and pretty much everything will be connected to the internet and will be if not checked filtered. DRM and volatile software that have limited uses. No data will be free. And on the other side will be a "darknet" of sorts, a black market internet. That's what I think will happen anyway.

 

[bostonbuddy]

Hey, centralization is nothing but good.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/Meathim/Paradox/centralization.png

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In my mind the future of the internet is that we pay for data; free gigabytes will no longer be and pretty much everything will be connected to the internet and will be if not checked filtered. DRM and volatile software that have limited uses. No data will be free. And on the other side will be a "darknet" of sorts, a black market internet. That's what I think will happen anyway.

so you admit nothing will change, they'll be a fun shiny internet controlled by microsoft, google, and apple, and then the real internet where everybody goes to dl the latest episode of the the running man.
Money can still be made off of data, by providing fast secure dl's where you know you aren't getting a fake or a virus, but it won't be $30 for a movie, and most money will still be made the way it is now, thru advertising.

 

[Frick]

so you admit nothing will change, they'll be a fun shiny internet controlled by microsoft, google, and apple, and then the real internet where everybody goes to dl the latest episode of the the running man.

No no no. It will be a lot worse.

 

[Kantastic]

Wouldnt matter. It will would be the Swedish fault for caving. Like I said hate America all you want. Doesnt change the fact its your own goverment doing it. Not the US.

Your logic astounds me. Is it a child's fault for getting raped?

 

[Horrux]

Unfortunately its not just internet police... its world police... team america F*****K YEAH! world domination is the goal

It is, but not for America or Americans.

 

[Easy Rhino]

pirates always forget this simple point. if everyone pirated then there would be nothing to pirate. the pirates are the greedy ones because they dont pay for what they use and they demand somebody else does. never forget that.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Your logic astounds me. Is it a child's fault for getting raped?

I dunno but from my recollections of history, Sweden is a little older then the United States. So if anyone is acting like a child its the US government and the Swedish government is a spineless parent for not putting it in its place.

See I can do analogies too.

Time to put on your big boy pants Europe and tell the US to F#%K off if you truly believe the US is only at fault for the world police crap.

 

[Horrux]

Art should work on the basis of donations only.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Art should work on the basis of donations only.

lol get ready for a very bland world.

 

[pantherx12]

Art should work on the basis of donations only.

+ one to this, was going to come in and say if I created software or music art etc I would simply have a donation button somewhere on my website or within the software.

Not many donations?

Then I need to do better.

Need to make something that people WANT to donate money for.

 

[TheMailMan78]

+ one to this, was going to come in and say if I created software or music art etc I would simply have a donation button somewhere on my website or within the software.

Not many donations?

Then I need to do better.

Need to make something that people WANT to donate money for.

Then it needs to apply to all professions. Doctors, Mechanics, Programmers, etc. Lets see how many people pay you for your hard work then.

 

[Jarman]

Doctors dont make 50 million dollars for a 90 minute film

 

[TheMailMan78]

Doctors dont make 50 million dollars for a 90 minute film

How is that relevant? Because they make more money then you all of a sudden they are sub-human and need to be stolen from?

 

[Jarman]

it's relevant because if their wages weren't so high the films would cost less and the piracy rate would also decrease.

Also look at it another way. An electrician puts up a light switch, he gets paid a flat fee for this. Should he then get royalties for everyone that uses that light switch?

 

[pantherx12]

Then it needs to apply to all professions. Doctors, Mechanics, Programmers, etc. Lets see how many people pay you for your hard work then.

Ideally yeah, I can envision a world where people do things purely for the benefit of others.

If everyone was charitable then there would be no need for money.

Only problem is for this to happen people would have to let go of power/wealth they've racked up/inherited and well people with power are unwilling to give it up, even if it makes the entire world a better place to live.

One day it will happen though, it's just going to take something really awful to happen, or technological advancement to the point where we can manipulate energy into matter or at the least one form of matter into another.

(I.E pull food/clean water out our arse, to be able to create something from waste/or energy will be the end of the monetary system hopefully)

 

[TheMailMan78]

it's relevant because if their wages weren't so high the films would cost less and the piracy rate would also decrease.

Also look at it another way. An electrician puts up a light switch, he gets paid a flat fee for this. Should he then get royalties for everyone that uses that light switch?

Do you pay 90 million dollars to watch a movie? Because there is this new thing out called DVD's and they don't cost that much. Get this.....you can even RENT them without buying them and its LEGAL!!

Ideally yeah, I can envision a world where people do things purely for the benefit of others.

If everyone was charitable then there would be no need for money.

Only problem is for this to happen people would have to let go of power/wealth they've racked up/inherited and well people with power are unwilling to give it up, even if it makes the entire world a better place to live.

One day it will happen though, it's just going to take something really awful to happen, or technological advancement to the point where we can manipulate energy into matter or at the least one form of matter into another.

(I.E pull food/clean water out our arse, to be able to create something from waste/or energy will be the end of the monetary system hopefully)

Yeah Ive seen Star Trek too but, you know.......its not real.

 

[twilyth]

Why do people even bother arguing this - as if the morality or immorality is really an issue in terms of what motivates or deters people. At some point it becomes like arguing religion. Either you render unto Caesar what is Caesar's or you don't. Arguments either way aren't going to change behavior and if you really believe otherwise, ok, it's not like I'm going to try to stop you.

 

[pantherx12]

Do you pay 90 million dollars to watch a movie? Because there is this new thing out called DVD's and they don't cost that much. Get this.....you can even RENT them without buying them and its LEGAL!!



Yeah Ive seen Star Trek too but, you know.......its not real.

Yeah but an awful lot of stuff we see in scifi ends up being real, take for example tablet computers

Often times sci-fi inspires people to create what they see as well, almost like a self fulfilling prophecy : ]

Besides in terms of technology the rate we improve it far exceeds natural processes like evolution so I wouldn't even call it far fetched to expect we as species to manipulate energy in such a way eventually.

But anyway this is a discussion for somewhere else really.



I've already done my piece about piracy in general in another thread after all
( In case people missed it I'm one of those people that wouldn't mind if someone came in my house and made copies of everything I owned so long as the originals were left intact, nor would I mind if a piece of software I made was shared, or piece of art I worked on was photographed. Basically don't see piracy as theft at all one bit.)

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yeah but an awful lot of stuff we see in scifi ends up being real, take for example tablet computers
http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mission10.jpg

Often times sci-fi inspires people to create what they see as well, almost like a self fulfilling prophecy : ]

Besides in terms of technology the rate we improve it far exceeds natural processes like evolution so I wouldn't even call it far fetched to expect we as species to manipulate energy in such a way eventually.

But anyway this is a discussion for somewhere else really.



I've already done my piece about piracy in general in another thread after all
( In case people missed it I'm one of those people that wouldn't mind if someone came in my house and made copies of everything I owned so long as the originals were left intact, nor would I mind if a piece of software I made was shared, or piece of art I worked on was photographed. Basically don't see piracy as theft at all one bit.)

Apes ruling the planet is more probable then a peace filled Star Trek world.......now that I think about it.........lol

 

[pantherx12]

Apes ruling the planet is more probable then a peace filled Star Trek world.......now that I think about it.........lol

My vote is for a 1984 type world, but hey a man can hope for the best right?

 

[TheMailMan78]

My vote is for a 1984 type world, but hey a man can hope for the best right?

Its gonna be a mix of 1984 and Soylent Green I think. Maybe a sprinkle of Minority Report.