Pirate Bay Unveils "Portable Site", RIAA/MPAA's Worst Nightmare Weighs 90 Megabytes

[entropy13]

I wonder how many game developers are really paid so much by their publishers for making a game. I'm sure not many do, only AAA developers which have probably become as corrupt and greedy as their publishers. I even remember that Activision didn't want to pay $30 million or something like that to Infinity Ward employees that worked on MW2, even though the game made billions in profits. Bastards.

Based on what I have read, game developers are essentially held hostage by publishers. They already receive some money before the game's release, but barely have a share in the profits. Similar to the typical setup of recording artists. So they are held hostage in a sense that "if you stop making games for us, you'll hurt your reputation!"

The marketing alone for Battlefield 3 was close to 100 million dollars. The marketing.....alone. Like I said I'm gonna stay out of these threads the best I can but I just wanted to let you know 1.6 million for a AAA title is chump change.

The marketing are all done by the publishers, who usually already paid the game developers and would have almost 99% (almost since it could range from "just" 90% to 99%) of the profit. In this case (of Kickstarter), the developers themselves are being given money. Although recently many developers are merely "subsidiaries" of big publisher companies...

Ive worked in it too and if you don't get paid thats your fault. Who needs 100 million in marketing? People who make games that cost more then that to develop.

People with 200 million who publish games that they expect to earn 300 million each. Well not "expect", they're "supposed to earn", "entitled" to 300 million.

 

[Benetanegia]

Ive worked in it too and if you don't get paid thats your fault. Who needs 100 million in marketing? People who make games that cost more then that to develop.

No it's not my fault. They pay what they pay and that's it. They have the power, it's not different to any other industry.

Maybe you are one of those lucky ones who get paid far more than they really deserve and that's why you are here defending those bastards.

And they don't "need" as much money to make them. Not at all. They do spend a lot but that's because they just play the same game as publishers. In the past they made far far better games for far less. But that was of course when they were not AAA developers, "entitled" to earn millions, have mansions and drive fast cars.

All you need is a group of 100 people or so for an AAA game. At $50k salaries and 5 years, that's $25M.

They raised $1.6 M in 2 days and for a point and click adventure game. You think that an AAA developer wouldn't obtain much much more than that in a few months??

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

How about if that person later likes said book so much that he goes out and buys another one by the same author. Did that not just help sells?

exactly , thats how all the best authors are dicovered, by peer review not official review, from ya mate dave sayin check this

 

[de.das.dude]

face it. the world works with piracy in it. no one is dying because of piracy.

perhaps if the companies make prices of stuff lower, more people will think of buying it.

IMO companies should emphasize more on selling quantities than selling a few DVDs and putting huge profits on them.

 

[RejZoR]

Or you could just read reviews and make back ups of your physical disks....you know like what people used to do BEFORE stealing was viewed as ok because people are cheap and lazy?

So, i'm suppose to make 50 backups of all my originals just for the sake if one gets scratched (and i take almost paranoic care of my CD's and DVD's)? No thanks. You also don't make a copy of your passport or ID card in case if you lose it someday...

As for the reviews, with all the biased nonsense going on in almost every reviewing page or magazine i couldn't care less about them. And demo versions are very hard to come by these days which is weird. They complain over piracy yet they give possible consumers less chances to evaluate where they should put their hard earned money. And for the multimedia content, things aren't the same as for other things. If they review a knife as sharp as hell, it probably is good. There is no other view to it.
But if one says the music CD, game or movie is great or shitz, i might not agree with that.
It has been many times where ppl said that one movie was crap but after i watched it, it felt perfectly good. Same for music CD's. Some said the new album was great, but i thought it was crap. And exactly the same was with games. 9/10 in all the magazines and after i played it i thought it was the worst game ever (namely the all praised Halo which i still think it's a rubbish junk of the last decade). Thank god i haven't bought it...
Also all the game i've pirated as a kid, i've purchased now. There might be few of them that i haven't yet, because i can't get them but i have plans to buy them once they arrive to GoG.
And i plan to re-purchase certain games on GoG just because of the compatibility they provide. I'll buy the same game that i already own, again. How stupid is that right?

Your statement is valid to some degree yes, but mostly i don't agree with it.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Please stop comparing physical items to non physical data.

Ummm, ever heard of ebooks? Yeah same applies.

 

[Pirate ibn Laden]

SOPA,PIPA,ACTA....whatever.Most those can do, is to enforce more sophisticated dl systems.Password encrypted torrents,independent magnet link mirrors,closed p2p communities,ect.

I have pirated any and every software-music-movie-OS i have used since 1995.

Totally worth maybe 1M dollars.....so what,go sue me,Microsoft!

On side note....if OS would cost say 25-50 bucks,game 5 bucks and movie/cd/books 1-2 bucks each,i could afford to buy them instead.

Maximum,any RIAA ect bandit organization can get from me,is in my country:free rent,food,money for everyday living for my family,while im doing time in prizon.Not a cent personally from me.And we have nice cosy prisons here,with morning coffee and wieners,every month vacations for visiting families.Really doesnot scare me...

I had 10xtimes harsh conditions doing my time in Red Army during 2 years.If i survived those,i can survive any modern western prison.

Case closed.

 

[RoutedScripter]

The question is how much of that 100million EA marketing push for a title is effective. Like a superbowl ad or something, or whatever ... score bribing ...

They're using unconventional and untraditional marketing methods for gaming, hollywood style, in my opinion it's not targeting the correct market at all, it's targeting the nooby mainstream market that want's to take of COD fanboys which are ..now.. hard to convince to jump ship.

They would have not lost a lot of players if they cut down the most expensive marketing and stayed loyal to forums and web communities, reddit, general gaming forums and let the game market it self by word and references as it was done in the past, takes longer but costs A LOT LESS, you just need an approach and a technique and EA just blows it because that's what publishers do, they don't really know how to communicate with the fans directly.

 

[RejZoR]

The main issue with music and movies is the delivery method which is still from the 1950's. I can get all my software as freeware. It serves the purpose just fine. For games i have retail shops and also Steam and GoG.

But what about music and movies? There are few rather crappy services out of which 90% of them don't even work in our little country. Paying a DVD price for movies you'll probably watch only once is just stupid and buying audio CD just because you like 3 songs out of 15 is also stupid.

Why can't they make a movie delivery system similar to Steam? Global platform where you could rent or purchase any movie, watch movie trailers, read IMDB link, read user comments and rate the movie. And all this based on categories like action, comedy, cartoons etc). I'm often too lazy to go to the cinema but i'd be very much be willing to use a credit card on a rainy Sunday and watch the movie that i want. If a movie costs ~4 EUR for a cinema ticket, they could sell it for 2 EUR for i don't know 3 time playback on such system. Or a 30% lower price than DVD for unlimited playback. With such prices, bothering with pirated content would be just pointless and i'd spend far more money on it then i do now when i rarely even visit cinema.

Same for music. Give us a global platform where you can really find ANY song you ever wanted. Set a good price and you'll be selling millions of songs. I never really liked CD's because too many musicians made few good songs and you were forced to buy the whole deal even though you wanted just 3 songs from that album. That's why audio CD's never worked for me. I do have few original audio CD's but only from artists where all songs were great and it was worth the purchase. But you rarely see CD with all songs being great these days.

I've spent loads of dosh on games through Steam and GoG just because i could and because it was just a great deal, even though i still haven't yet played half of the games i've bought.
Being unable to do the same for music and movies is entirely THEIR fault and no one elses.
Move your sorry asses and deliver the goods to everyone. Even small countries which are always being neglected. Pack 20 small countries together and you would still get huge income. But no, it's easier to just rant about it and not actually do anything. That's what the entire msuic and movie industry is doing. Every business had to move on and evolve in order to survive. But they expect same old model to work forever for music and movies. Sorry pals but that just won't work.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Pirating isn't going to make game companies make better games. Period. If anything they'll eventually close up shop and find something/someone else to profit off of and/or just make things even more difficult for someone who actually buys their crap. ...

Actually it is. If a company wants to succeed they should take example of games like Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Battlefield, Skyrim, Mass Effect, Batman, SIMS, etc, etc that made hundred of millions of $ in only 1 week after their release, even if they were HEAVILY PIRATED on the nets. So let's not be hypocritical and face the truth. If a game is good, it will make millions, even if pirated. But if is bad, is the producers fault, NOT of pirates, of not earning enough money for this. Period.

 

[Platibus]

If a game is good, it will make millions, even if pirated. But if is bad, is the producers fault, NOT of pirates, of not earning enough money for this.

You got that a little wrong. Mediocrity is selling like hot bread these days, just take a look at the kind of games, music and movies that make the most money. Massive earnings doesn't say anything about the quality of the product, it just says what kind of things people want to buy.

 

[heky]

You got that a little wrong. Mediocrity is selling like hot bread these days, just take a look at the kind of games, music and movies that make the most money. Massive earnings doesn't say anything about the quality of the product, it just says what kind of things people want to buy.

True, but his point still stands. If a game is good, it will sell! Doesnt mather how much it is pirated.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Yeah good is relative no matter how you look at it.
If COD can make millions year round releasing the same game and still be a number one pirated game, I don't think anyone is losing here.
Heck I'd reckon some people pirating got it for console and didn't want to fork out another $60 to play it on PC or vice versa. I bet you that's probably why a hefty amount of games are getting pirated so much. You've got three consoles where everybody is mixing and matching and everyone wants to play the game with friends cause lets face it playing with friends is just so much better.


I'm in the situation myself. Got Battlefield 3 on PC (Cause its just how the game should be played IMO) and all my good friends who don't have good PC's got it for PS3 , now all of them are in a clan telling me to get the game on PS3 so I can join them, bragging about their ownage and what not. I'm just like I'm not going to buy the game twice and that they should switch over and buy it for PC instead cause its far superior, then the PC Versus Console debates start and the cycle repeats.
Sad truth is I'm not playing Battlefield 3 at all due to lack of friends to play it with. So I just might end up being the one to fork out more money to play with them.

 

[Benetanegia]

Heck I'd reckon some people pirating got it for console and didn't want to fork out another $60 to play it on PC or vice versa. I bet you that's probably why a hefty amount of games are getting pirated so much. You've got three consoles where everybody is mixing and matching and everyone wants to play the game with friends cause lets face it playing with friends is just so much better.

Yeah, very good point indeed. I've always thought that they sould offer a way to have the games for all platforms. You buy it once and you can then play it wherever you want. What they sell you is a license to use it after all, not the media it comes in.

Valve did it with Portal 2 on PS3 and Steam. With digital distribution is just so easy and cheap even for them...

But like with everything else, that would prevent them from selling 2 or sometims 3 copies of the same thing to the same person, even if that only happens with very few people, and probably hurts their sales more than it helps, but they just cannot understand any other language than quick money and in their minds that's profits lost.

EDIT: The problem with all this nonsense about piracy and whatnot, is that big companies use "protecting their IP" as an excuse, as if their IP is where most of their money comes from, when in reality it's their distribution method what makes them rich, it's the control over the distribution methods what they want to protect, so they try to attack every other distribution method that can hurt them and they use as many weapons as they can.

EDIT2: Sorry for so many edits. The bottom line is that the industry will blow up if they continue doing what they are. Developers and artists better find a way in which they can get paid for what they really do: create art. Because in this age distribution of digital art, be it music, movies or games is totally free. Or it would be free if publishers didn't try so hard preventing that from happening.

 

[F1reFly]

You may not have seen my post here about this. Definitely keep this in mind before attacking 'pirates'.

irrelvant and i didn't attack...i said keep it real. like i said and exactly as i said. when asked if you pirate, you either say yes i do, often or not or no i don't , ever if any. everything else is an excuse. explaining your situation is an excuse.
explaining how corps pirate is a news article, not an excuse for a consumer to use. explaining about your brokedic country allows it or doesn't get such products is yet another.

its not an attack, just tell it how it really is. either you paid for your entertainment or you didn't. if entertainment has a value to you, then it has value period. no one really cares y u no pay. anyone can list a billion reasons to not pay for something.

Lastly, I'm not a tightass, I'm just poor.

i did'nt ask for excuses. explaining your life to relate as to why you pirate is just another excuse. All you had to do was type. yes, i pirate and am ashamed or whatever you feel.
you have options in life. don't try to act like you don't and blame everything else for your decisions. you could save money, tighten the belt in other areas, invest in yourself, sell something...you have options.

 

[qubit]

irrelvant and i didn't attack...i said keep it real. like i said and exactly as i said. when asked if you pirate, you either say yes i do, often or not or no i don't , ever if any. everything else is an excuse. explaining your situation is an excuse.
explaining how corps pirate is a news article, not an excuse for a consumer to use. explaining about your brokedic country allows it or doesn't get such products is yet another.

its not an attack, just tell it how it really is. either you paid for your entertainment or you didn't. if entertainment has a value to you, then it has value period. no one really cares y u no pay. anyone can list a billion reasons to not pay for something.

It's not irrelevant - try reading and understanding. So, the fact that these fat cat copyright holders screw over everyone else (including the artists that make them their money) makes not a jot of difference? Really? I think you need a dose of reality my friend. Or perhaps you work for one of these organizations? Then your position would start to make sense...

It sounds to me, like you see it that any unofficial copying for any reason is piracy, is wrong and it's just bad! What a load of BS.

Here's another excellent piece from Techdirt: If The RIAA Wants To Talk About Misinformation Campaigns, Let's Start With The RIAA's Misinformation Campaign See how your argument falls apart? You can't see it? Why am I not surprised, lol.

 

[erocker]

It's not irrelevant - try reading and understanding. So, the fact that these fat cat copyright holders screw over everyone else (including the artists that make them their money) makes not a jot of difference? Really? I think you need a dose of reality my friend. Or perhaps you work for one of these organizations? Then your position would start to make sense...

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I completely disagree with you. Just because one person/group/etc. does something "unethical" doesn't give anyone the excuse to do the same. You are just making excuses. Now, I "pirate" things (things unavailable to me from "legit" means) from time to time and I feel it is wrong. I don't care though. My ethics are my own and I don't need excuses to do what I do.

V V = excuse.

 

[kid41212003]

i pirate quite many things

cuz i'm poor and cheap

and everything previous posts have said

 

[qubit]

I completely disagree with you. Just because one person/group/etc. does something "unethical" doesn't give anyone the excuse to do the same. You are just making excuses. Now, I "pirate" things (things unavailable to me from "legit" means) from time to time and I feel it is wrong. I don't care though. My ethics are my own and I don't need excuses to do what I do.

V V = excuse.

Ok, it looks like we will have to disagree.

However, I respect that you have the balls to admit to doing it and how you feel about it.

Personally, I only copy occasionally and I don't feel bad about doing it.

 

[Platibus]

explaining how corps pirate is a news article, not an excuse for a consumer to use. explaining about your brokedic country allows it or doesn't get such products is yet another.

Most of the music, movies and games I like are practically nowhere to be found or even acquired online in Mexico. The only way for me to get them is to either become an american citizen and live in the US, or to personally visit the country to seek for that stuff in every store I can. My family and I used to go to El Paso on hollidays, but our VISAs expired last year. In an educate manner, please tell me the options I have to get the products I want.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Kids in third world countries want to game to you know.

 

[laszlo]

I have never used a torrent in my life. I don't even know how. No joke.

i can't stop myself m8 hope u take it like a joke

u shall change the "Banstick Dummy" to "Torrent Dummy"

 

[TheMailMan78]

i can't stop myself m8 hope u take it like a joke

u shall change the "Banstick Dummy" to "Torrent Dummy"

lol NP!