New GK104 SKU Details Surface

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Would there be a sub 200$, 28nm parts from nvidia's side?

I imagine the GTX660 will be around $200 or so.

 

[alwayssts]

I imagine the GTX660 will be around $200 or so.

Correct. It is literally almost exactly the same size as Pitcairn. 768sp, 192-bit bus. As you can imagine, 5ghz gddr5. Do said math/performance extrapolation yourself for clocks and 150w.

One would think with one power connector it would end up similar to 7850...but, and to not start a MFing flame war I will criticize both companies...nvidia does not play by the pci-e power rules (when overclocking) and AMD is making a questionable consumer decision with forced power restriction/sku differentiation choices. Whatever...that is not new to this generation and helps nvidia and hurts amd any way you look at it. That's their choice and not ours and people can make decisions accordingly.

GK106 will compete with 7870 when all is said and done, but not before nvidia releases a stop-gap gk104 to offset early 28nm yields/allocation. You may remember a similar tactic with gf100 before gf104 was released. Oh gtx465, what a POS you were. 670 should be better because the current price/performance choices are worse.

History lesson and quick note: gtx465 launched at $279 in May/June 2010, 460 at $199/229 a month and a half later in mid-July. 670 and 660ti are expected Q2 and Q3 respectively.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

good cos im likeing the sound of a 768 shader 640-50 weva at sub 150 notes

 

[Casecutter]

If the 670Ti will bring a proportional increase in performance over the 570 as the 680 is over the 580 (let's say 30%) at the same pricepoint as the 570 was launched in 2010 then it's not so bad considering that AMD offers 5% increase (7870/7850) for the same price that you could buy in 2010 cards like 6970/6950.

While I hear you and such reasoning bears out that, you really need to consider the loss of price advantages the TSMC price increase took away normally covered by a shrink.

Although Nvidia is working from a smaller part, I don't think that means much as yield and appropriate clocks will dictate price. Nvidia won't just give them a good price to be nice, they'll balance performance to how many they can deliver. Conventional wisdom would have Nvidia looking to place an MSRP of $400, and those will dry-up faster than GTX680's, while AIB customs will get priced above that, but at least will be in the market channel relatively quick. The GTX 570 supposedly MSRP'd at $330, but face it for many months the going rate of any such customs was >$350. I'd think Nvidia knowing 7870 -$350 and 7950 - $450, they target the GTX 670 right in the middle (price/perf) , if they reduce performance to get more chips they might go to an MSRP of $380 especially if they can get a volume of chips that don't need the PCB expense of dynamic overclocking. As Nvidia receives raw wafers then determine the mix, know the problems the 28Nm part have encountered going with the past track record is not going to apply.