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Hmmm. Nvidia. One request. Try to release these GPU's without GPU Boost. It really hampers overclocking. If the GTX 680 didn't have GPU Boost, it would have easily reached 1.4 GHz with good binning.
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Hmmm. Nvidia. One request. Try to release these GPU's without GPU Boost. It really hampers overclocking. If the GTX 680 didn't have GPU Boost, it would have easily reached 1.4 GHz with good binning.
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+1 I would LOVE an option to disable GPU-Boost. Maybe put a dual BIOS or throw an option into the control panel or something.
If they do that and start allowing voltage control again, they'll have a far superior product for people wanting to overclock. GPU Boost nonsense + no voltage control kept me away from the GTX 680.
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What I'm saying is that your status as a reviewer gives no inherent credibility to your dismissal of tech rumors/stories (sorry to break it to you...). That might be true if the stories were from people clueless about tech, or if everyone who is well informed about GPUs agreed with you, but that's not the case. When you get corroborating evidence from many reliable and semi-reliable tech sources, there's something to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Disagreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_accomplishment
Post a pic of a GK100 chip, full specs and everything else officail form nvidia, and I'll stop my speculation.
you cna say asll you like that it was planned, you have no proof, and neither do I. And neither of us, if we did, could post it. So I can think and post what I like, and so can you. It's no big deal...only you are making it a big deal that I do not agree with this news.
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Argument from ignorance. You ARE claiming both that GK100 never existed and that it didn't exist because it can not be made, based on the fact that we can not provide proof to disprove your theory. You are the only one claiming anything using this argument from ignorance falacy to back it up.
The rest of us is just saying that it is entirely posible and probable that GK100 existed and was simply delayed or slightly redesigned into GK110, in a move similar to GF100 -> GF110. The proofs although rumors, are out there and have been there for a long time. Rumors about chips don't always end up being entirely true, but there's always some true to it. GK100 was mentioned many times. GK110 DOES exist. 2+2=4
All in all Nvidia has already shipped cards based on the 7.1 b transistor GK110 chip, so the notion that such a chip cannot be made is obviously false.
I've just never seen someone so ready to cavalierly dismiss a multitude of tech rumors based on their own idea of what is or is not possible from a manufacturing perspective...
To each his own I guess.
Nah, actually, I'm claiming this since i know all the specs of GK110 already. I even have a die shot.
You can find it just as easy, too.
Anmd becuase of this, I do think nvidia knew long before AMD's release that GK110 was not possible, and as such it wasn;'t meant to be.
Liekwise, AMD knew that Steamroller...and excavator were coming...and that they arre the "big daddy" of the Bulldozer design...but that doesn't mean that Bulldozer or Piledriver are mid-range chips.
If GK100/110 was so unfeasible as a gaming card that it was never meant to be one, they would design a new chip to fill in that massive $ 250mm^2 difference that exists between GK104 and GK110, instead of using GK110 as the refreshed high-end card. GK110 being an HPC chip wouldn't have so many gaming features wasting space either.
Sure and if you click the check box to enable OC or break the seal on the switch and then it bricks? I would love to have heard how GK104 could do with the dynamic nanny turned off... While you may believe it might find 1.4Ghz... would it live on for any duration?Try to release these GPU's without GPU Boost.
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i love how everyone is saying AMD will have a hard time competingdid everyone forget that yawn that is the 7970 GHz edition still beat out the GTX 680 and this gen for the most part each company is equal at the typical price points.
8970 is expected to be 40% faster than the 7970
GTX 780 is expected to be 40-55% faster than the 680
add in overclocking on both and we end up with the exact same situation as this generation. So in reality it just plain doesnt matter lol performance is all i care about and who gets product onto store shelfs and from their into my hands. Doesn't matter whos fastest if it takes 6 months for stock to catch up.
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My 680 classified walks all over any 7970, soless and check facts more.
I dunno. You know, the one thing that nVidia is really good as is getting the most dollar for R&D, and designing another chip kinda goes against that mantra.
I mean, it's like dropping the hot clock. They knew they had to.
Keeping within the 300W power envelope with the full-blown Kepler design was obviously not possible, proved by Fermi, IMHO.
Jen Hsun said "The interconnecting mesh was the problem" for Fermi. That mesh...is cache.
And gaming doesn't need that cache. But... HPC does. Gaming needs power-savings, and dropping the hotclock and lowering cache and DP lowered power consumption enough that GTX680 is pretty damn good.
GK104..was that chip you just mentioned.
HPC is more money. WAY MORE MONEY. So for THAT market, yes, a customized chip makes sense.
See, Fermi was the original here. GF100 is the original, NOT GK100. or GK110.
If nvidia started with Kepler as the new core design, then I would have sided with you guys, for sure, but really, to me, Kepler is a bunch of customized Fermi designs, customized in such a way to deliver the best product possible for the lowest cost, for each market.
You may think the Steamroller analogy is wrong here, but to me, that is EXACTLY what Kepler is. And you know what..nVidia says the same thing, too.
The hotclock to me, and teh lack of DP functionality, says it all. hotclock lets you use less die space, but requires more power. DP functionality also requires more power, because it requires more cache.
Guys, we should only look to cadaveca now for tech rumors, this guy obviously knows what's up and we can't trust dozens of other knowledgeable people/sites. They all just make stuff up and obviously only release info to get page views.
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at Kepler being Fermi. Sure and Fermi is Tesla arch (GT200).
If we go by similarities, as in they look the same to me with a few tweaks we can go back to G80 days. Same on AMD side. But you know what? They have very little in common. Abandoning hot-clocks is not a trivial thing. Tripling the number of SPs on a similar transistor budget is not trivial either and it denotes exactly te opposite of what you're saying. Fermi and Kepler schematics may look the same, but they aren't the same at all.
As to the rest. It makes little sense to think that GK104 is the only thing they had planned. In previous geerations they created 500 mm^2 chips that were 60%-80% faster than their previous gen and AMD was close, 15%-20% behind. But on this gen they said: "you know what? What the heck. Let's create a 300mm^2 chip that is only 25% faster than our previous gen. Let's make the smallest (by far) jump on performance that we've ever had, let's just leave all that potential there. Later we'll make GK110 a 550 mm^2, so we know we can do it, and it's going to be a refresh part so it IS going to be a gaming card, but for now, let's not make a 450mm^2 chip, or a 350mm^2, no, no sir, a 294mm^2 and with a 256 bit interface that will clearly be the bottleneck even at 6000 MHz, let's just let AMD rip us a new one..."
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Could just be reading them wrong, I suppose, but I think not.
But GK110 was never meant to be a GTX part.
Oh gosh. Before you say that one more time, can you please explain at least once, why it has so many units that are completely useless in a Tesla card?
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My 1200/1800 Lightnings very seriously doubt that... OC'd 680s and 7970s are about even overall, trading blows depending on the game/benchmark.
The 7970 gets beat by the 680, sure, but the pricing has updated itself to reflect that now - the 7970 is priced about the same as the 670, and the GHz edition priced around the 680.
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Anyways, rumors are rumors, but they exist for a reason, and this particular family of rumors has been around for almost a year now... plenty long enough to indicate there's something to it.
Because all those things are needed for medical imaging. HPC products still need 3D video capability too. Medical imaging is a very vast market, worth billions. 3D is not gaming. That's where you miss some things.![]()
And no, I do not agree with the summation that GK110 was intended to be a "fast GPU". The needed die size says that is not really possible.
And an HPC chip has never been profitable on it's own and I don't think it is right now either.
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