DirectX 11.2 Exclusive to Windows 8.1 and Xbox One

[AsRock]

Gamers would if devs supported it. But they really dont so therefore gamers really wont make the switch.

I know Linux be on all the computers in this house if the games i play worked on it and if that was to be tomorrow all of them be ready with Linux on them by then no question about it.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Gamers should be using linux. it is time for the devs to move over to the open platform and work with opengl. let the consumer have a real say and not let microsoft push people around.

While I agree with this, please tell this to Creative, Leadtek or Logitec to release Linux drivers for my soundcard, videocard, keyboard, external Wi-Fi dongle, etc, etc. I think the main problem nowadays is the extremely high lack of quality Linux drivers for a lot of PC peripherals.

 

[ice_v]

Ahem.......

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182646&highlight=decline

Ahem......

Steam's active user base is by the way somewhere around 54-55 millions by now, and growing...

So I'm having a really hard time believing this "PC is dead" mantra...as I see it, the PC is a sleeping giant, that year after year is having less and less good sleep and might just wake up on the wrong side and tear other platforms a new one in a year or two... and by the looks of it, he's not wearing a full blown Win 8 pajama...more like a Win 8 sock :

http://i.imgur.com/YRhhF3P.jpg

 

[nt300]

PC gaming has been growing faster than console growth. By 2014 PC gaming would have surpassed all consoles combined in revenue.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

PC gaming has been growing faster than console growth. By 2014 PC gaming would have surpassed all consoles combined in revenue.

If you consider how many of us should have playable games for life on steam etc I can't help but feel that in a decade or so consoles will become less attractive to most.
And with the feature harmony 11.2 brings is another shovel of dirt on the consoles coffin

 

[Mussels]

the big advantage to steam is that we can fire up our one steam account on many generations of PC's to have access to outdated titles (or run a virtual machine).


whereas consoles... well, servers shut down GG no worky.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

the big advantage to steam is that we can fire up our one steam account on many generations of PC's to have access to outdated titles (or run a virtual machine).


whereas consoles... well, servers shut down GG no worky.

Exactly and before this generation there was little parity In experience and performance but I think m$ is leveling the field with each Dx release , I just think they are going to kill there own baby (xbone) eventually maybe one day bringing the xbone experience to actual home pcs just to keep it alive but this is years away I admit.

 

[Mussels]

consoles need to be PC compatible, but a closed market for hardware and software.


quite literally the xbox would be the 'standard' and you could get your own custom built PC for better performance/higher res gaming, but at the end of the day its the same thing.

the only reason it wont work is because controller Vs mouse and keyboard would destroy competition for those who are not of the PC master race.

 

[BiggieShady]

I pretty much suspect that W9 will have metro and metro only

Lol, I'm trying to visualize Visual Studio 2015 metro style

 

[scoutingwraith]

Lol, I'm trying to visualize Visual Studio 2015 metro style

Just thinking about it makes me shiver.

 

[Mr McC]

Does anyone envisage 11.2 as being a paradigm shift? I know it will be sold as that and I heard that it entailed some sort of symbiotic memory set up that would be exploited in the new Xbox, but does that mean fireworks around the corner? In short, say I was toying with the idea of upgrading to a 760, should I hold off for the 11.2 compatible generation of cards?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Does anyone envisage 11.2 as being a paradigm shift? I know it will be sold as that and I heard that it entailed some sort of symbiotic memory set up that would be exploited in the new Xbox, but does that mean fireworks around the corner? In short, say I was toying with the idea of upgrading to a 760, should I hold off for the 11.2 compatible generation of cards?

Its not going to be important for a year or two and is best suited to apu platforms so your fine imho

It essentially opens the memory of the gpu and cpu up more to each other but its mostly going to be future hardware that benefits.

 

[hellrazor]

Does anyone envisage 11.2 as being a paradigm shift? I know it will be sold as that and I heard that it entailed some sort of symbiotic memory set up that would be exploited in the new Xbox, but does that mean fireworks around the corner? In short, say I was toying with the idea of upgrading to a 760, should I hold off for the 11.2 compatible generation of cards?

No, no, and no.

 

[Mombasa69]

Wait for a true DX11.2 GPU (Radeon 9000 will be the first range in Oct).

Current GPU's are 'compatible' with DX11.2, but you certainly wont get all of the features unless you get a new GPU that's dedicated to DX11.2, wait until October for the new Radeon 9000 series, that will be a true DX11.2.

Glad I waited, will have to stick with my trusty old 3 way 570s until then, no way am I buying a new GPU until then.

 

[BigMack70]

No, no, and no.

Pretty much nailed it. There is no reason to make any purchasing decisions around DX 11.2 at this time.

This is just marketing to get people to buy a version of Windows they otherwise don't want.

 

[rtwjunkie]

This is just marketing to get people to buy a version of Windows they otherwise don't want.

THIS! Like I've said several times, these features are irrelevant to PC gaming, and will be for several years yet.

 

[Mr McC]

Thanks for the responses.

That's pretty much what I thought. Sure my 5870 is DirectX 11 compatible, but it clearly isn't as powerful as subsequent generations. I envisage a similar scenario here: if and when DirectX 11.2 does become relevant, the initial releases of compatible cards will probably be obsolete.

 

[Mombasa69]

Pretty much nailed it. There is no reason to make any purchasing decisions around DX 11.2 at this time.

This is just marketing to get people to buy a version of Windows they otherwise don't want.

Until around November when the new console ports start to appear, PC Games are nearly all direct ports from consoles, current gen cards will be obsolete by then, you'll still be able to play games, but if you want all the features, you'll have to get a new GPU...

 

[BigMack70]

Until around November when the new console ports start to appear, PC Games are nearly all direct ports from consoles, current gen cards will be obsolete by then, you'll still be able to play games, but if you want all the features, you'll have to get a new GPU...

Oh man, that was a great laugh. Thanks for that. No games are going to be using DX11.2 in any meaningful way for a long time, if ever. Can you even find an upcoming game right now listed as supporting it? No.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Cards won't be obsolete. Even in a couple years, if a game employs 11.2, you might have one or two features greyed out in your options. And I disagree about PC games almost all being ports...big name titles, yes. But there are a heck of alot more PC games than just the AAA titles.

 

[Prima.Vera]

The next Crazy Birds will have exclusive support for D3D 11.2.

 

[oNyX]

Ah, journalism.

Crysis 1 had no extra effects in DirectX 10 mode - via a special hack all those things were made available in DX9.0c.

I used the DX10 hack for Assassin's Creed on XP. Worked like a charm and the graphics looked the same on hacked XP than on vanilla Vista/7.

I also used the DX10 launcher for Bad Company 2.

 

[oNyX]

the big advantage to steam is that we can fire up our one steam account on many generations of PC's to have access to outdated titles (or run a virtual machine).


whereas consoles... well, servers shut down GG no worky.

With PC even if they do shut down the servers you can join various unofficial servers or you can LAN via Hamachi.

 

[Am*]

Don't underestimate the power of Xbone. Because developers have to code for 11.2 means they have no reason not to use 11.2 for Windows titles as well. Of course, they'll have to put some backwards compatibility in the Windows release but there should be strong support for 11.2 on Windows soon after Xbone launches.

The Xbone has no power over developers, consumers or anybody else -- as it stands right now, it barely survived the huge user backlash from DRM. At this moment in time, about 89% of people are on either DX10 or DX11 GPUs on the PC and 360 and PS3 will still be sold for the next 2 years at least. That means about 95% of multiplatform console games in the next 2-3 years will be ported in some form on the 360 and PS3 which are not going anywhere. That still means developers will be making games in engines that are DX9 compatible. Once PS3/360 die, the developers will jump on the next most common API, which will be DX11.

Everyone in this thread is just butt hurt and crying like 12 year old girls on their first ovulation because they are going to have to upgrade to get the latest DX.
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So at the end of the day this whole thread is the inevitable fact all you people bitching will be upgrading to windows 8. Taste that?...........That's what they call crow.

Nope. Installed Mint for a week realized its as user friendly as a colonoscopy and went back to windows. I mean honesty you guys ain't fooling anyone. If DX is no big deal why the 80 something posts of butt hurt raging. This forum has become so predictable. If you guys can't afford Windows 8 that's fine. But don't trash it because you can't afford it. That's very unbecoming of a technology forum member.

Kindly take a minute to unwedge your head from your behind. Are you seriously stupid enough to try and suggest that people here -- who spent anywhere from hundreds to thousands of dollars' worth of cash on their rigs -- can't afford a $25 OS upgrade?

First off, nobody gives two shits about upgrading from 7 to Windows 8, be it for the new DirectX, the counter-intuitive UI or anything else, as it is not worth the extra hard drive space, let alone the price of admission --and this is coming from someone who owns Windows 8. I've been using it for most of the past year or so on my second laptop and have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing that Windows 8 has that 7 can't do or be tweaked in some way to do the same. Better multithreading? Bullshit -- turn off core parking in Win7. Less resource usage? Turn off Aero. The only thing Windows 8 technically has over 7 is faster boot speed -- considering every single decent PC/laptop in my house now runs a Samsung SSD, the difference between them is maybe 2-3 seconds at best, and you can have your 3 second faster boot speed bragging rights, as I will never trade it for a useable UI.

The biggest performance change documented in Windows 8 is in regards to increased speed of text rendering (supposedly increased by 300%-something pecent) -- I can't remember having performance problems or even giving a flying shit about text rendering speeds since Windows 95. DirectX 11.1, 11.2, 11.5 and any more bullshit APIs they decide to introduce are not going to shift any more copies or Windows 8 or make the fake APIs any more relevant for developers or users.

If you take a look at any upcoming big multiplatform release, you will find it in some form on the 360 and PS3, which means developers will still be building on game engines that will scale down all the way to DX9 and OpenGL 2/3, because no publisher is going to be stupid enough to turn down potential ~200 million buyers on consoles alone. That will be the case for the next 2-3 years at least, since Sony wants the PS3 to outlive the PS2 and Microsoft only just released another Xbox 360 (Xbone/Cable Box Edition with the new case).

If you enjoy buying the same shitty service packs for Vista every 3 years and the crapfest UI that comes with it, more power to you -- but don't start trolling people for not sharing your views on it or Microshaft's bullshit tactics of selling people service packs packaged as a new operating system -- because no matter if I have $3000 or $300,000 to spend, I'm not going to buy another single Windows NT 6. OS release that's not a complete overhaul in every way and which has features that cannot possibly be implemented on an older OS. I'll admit, I bought into their potential BS of "driverless printer support" and the "return of hardware accelerated audio stack" with Windows 8 this time. Not going to happen again.

 

[TheMailMan78]

because no matter if I have $3000 or $300,000 to spend, I'm not going to buy another single Windows NT 6. OS release that's not a complete overhaul in every way and which has features that cannot possibly be implemented on an older OS. I'll admit, I bought into their potential BS of "driverless printer support" and the "return of hardware accelerated audio stack" with Windows 8 this time. Not going to happen again.

And I'm sure when Windows 9 comes out you will be crying about how Windows 8 can do everything it can with some tweaks and how you won't be fooled into buying Windows 10. You will still find funny ways to spell Microsoft like "Microshaft" and "M$" while they provide you with a platform that gives you a place to not only bitch but, to provide a platform that has given you THOUSANDS of hours of entertainment. The saga continues....WU TANG!