AMD Updates Product Roadmap for 2014-2015

[btarunr]

AMD reportedly updated its consumer products roadmap for 2014 thru 2015 to account for changes in the industry. The company is expected to unveil its next-generation "Volcanic Islands" GPU family by late-September, 2013. In the first quarter of 2014, the company is expected to unveil its 4th generation entry-level APUs, codenamed "Kabini." Built in ST3 socket for notebooks, and FS1B for desktops, this product family will include dual- and quad-core parts, with TDPs under 25W. Among the quad-core parts are the A4-5350 and A4-5150, and among the dual-core ones is the E1-2650.

"Kabini" will enter mass-production in February 2014, and will be formally announced in the following month. Kabini's early-2014 launch, delayed from late-2013, will have a cascading effect on its successor's launch. "Beema," its successor, will now launch in either late-2014, or early-2015. "Beema" will be based on the same socket types as "Kabini," but will incorporate more HSA technologies.

In 2014 AMD's AM3 socket will retire after a 5-year run at the markets, as would its first APU socket, FM1. By the end of 2013, APUs would amount for 70 percent of AMD processors, while CPUs (chips devoid of on-die graphics), will amount for 30 percent. In 2015, AMD plans to launch "Carrizo," an APU that uses CPU cores based on AMD's next-generation "Excavator" micro-architecture. While Intel "tick-tocks" its product development cycle on two factors, CPU micro-architecture and silicon-fab process; AMD's own "tick-tock" could follow succeeding CPU and GPU micro-architectures.

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[Fiery]

There's no ST3 socket. Kabini comes in FT3 BGA SoC package (not socket) for both low-end desktop and mobile systems, and tablets; and in FS1b socket.

 

[Pumper]

Don't care about 2015 and APUs. Just tell us already it you will be releasing 6-12 core Steamroller CPUs in Q1/Q2 2014. AMD is starting to piss me off with their BS delays and silence.

 

[Fiery]

Don't care about 2015 and APUs. Just tell us already it you will be releasing 6-12 core Steamroller CPUs in Q1/Q2 2014. AMD is starting to piss me off with their BS delays and silence.

AMD have no such CPUs or APUs on their roadmap. The best model will be a 2-module / 4-core Steamroller codenamed "Kaveri". The FX line is already dead and buried.

 

[zlatan]

Something is seriously misunderstood. Kabini is already in mass production. Oh wait it's DigiTimes. Now I understand what is wrong.

So the new roadmap is just say a Kabini refresh in 2014 february. Nothing new. These are the same Kabini chips but with higher clock.

 

[zlatan]

Don't care about 2015 and APUs. Just tell us already it you will be releasing 6-12 core Steamroller CPUs in Q1/Q2 2014. AMD is starting to piss me off with their BS delays and silence.

There wont be any new CPUs. Only Kaveri APU, but if you build a gaming PC you may choose this, because you will get iGPU accelerated gaming goodies in 2014.

 

[RCoon]

Don't care about 2015 and APUs. Just tell us already it you will be releasing 6-12 core Steamroller CPUs in Q1/Q2 2014. AMD is starting to piss me off with their BS delays and silence.

AM3 will be dead and gone. Carizo will be the next processing heavy orientated chip, but it will be built on the APU platform in 2015. Until then you can either use an 8350 or one of the new top end APU's before then.

 

[suraswami]

So will there be 4 module APU?

 

[Roph]

Come on don't pull an Intel, forcing me to buy a shitty iGPU that I don't need, don't want, won't ever use.

10/12 core AM3+ 28/22nm Steamroller please.

 

[buildzoid]

Damn I was waiting for the successor of the 8350 to build a benching rig. But I wouldn't mind an 8 core apu either as long as it's cheap and clocks well.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

AM3 will be dead and gone. Carizo will be the next processing heavy orientated chip, but it will be built on the APU platform in 2015. Until then you can either use an 8350 or one of the new top end APU's before then.

your opinion or you have proof?? ,that a company that for the last 5 years has aimed all its designs at being modular yet cant or wont make just a cpu

IMHO Amd wont side step the still lucrative cpu only market, and the fact that servers(more importantly there owners) LIKE cheap drop in upgrades for their multi node supercomputers Imho assures Amd will have something unannounced yet, to release near Q1 2014.

for us enthusiasts well i think there's life yet in AM3+

from a processor design point of view Amd's next server chip needs more performance, less power, and possibly more cores(here we have a likely candidate for a node test (20nm) chip for eg) and faster cache.
It will likely feature ddr3 and ddr4 support too and more of each then previously seen from Amd ,nowww

what are they going to do with the shit ones again

 

[erocker]

your opinion or you have proof??

In 2014 AMD's AM3 socket will retire after a 5-year run at the markets, as would its first APU socket, FM1.

Source: DigiTimes

In the article?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

In the article?

AMD updates product roadmap for 2014 and 2015
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 26 August 2013]


AMD has declined to comment on unannounced products.

my catch all from that article which being digitimes and from Amd anyway , isnt the last word on it



AMD's FM1 and AM3 sockets will start phasing out in mid-2013 and the end of 2013, respectively. By the end of 2013, Socket AM3+ processors will account for 30% of AMD's total processor shipments, while Socket FM2-based processors will account for the remaining 70%.

This says AM3 is phasing out ive an AM3+ thats not bothered

In 2015, for the desktop market, AMD will release Carrizo-based APUs, featuring Excavator architecture with two power consumption specifications: 45W and 65W. The company will also release Nolan to replace Beema.


Yes And??? no comment says Amd quite wisely since test yields are shit and im in mythbuster teritory now, ever the optimist

 

[erocker]

Lol darn it! AM3... AM3+ Forgot about dat plus.

 

[Fiery]

your opinion or you have proof?? ,that a company that for the last 5 years has aimed all its designs at being modular yet cant or wont make just a cpu

IMHO Amd wont side step the still lucrative cpu only market, and the fact that servers(more importantly there owners) LIKE cheap drop in upgrades for their multi node supercomputers Imho assures Amd will have something unannounced yet, to release near Q1 2014.

for us enthusiasts well i think there's life yet in AM3+

from a processor design point of view Amd's next server chip needs more performance, less power, and possibly more cores(here we have a likely candidate for a node test (20nm) chip for eg) and faster cache.
It will likely feature ddr3 and ddr4 support too and more of each then previously seen from Amd ,nowww

what are they going to do with the shit ones again

Proof is every AMD roadmap updates since Vishera came out. Ever since then AMD "mysteriously" haven't mentioned anything about the AM3+ platform beyond Vishera -- could it be a coincidence? They simply focus on low-end and mainstream APUs (Kabini and Kaveri, respectively) instead of pushing such markets where they have no chance catching the performance crown from such products like Ivy Bridge-E or even Core i7 Haswell. They also left the DP+ server market, and next year they will only have a UP server FM2+ socket APU (based on Kaveri) and some micro-server stuff based on ARM and Kabini (Kyoto). So Socket AM3/AM3+, C32 and G34 are all EOL already. AMD just don't have the decency to clearly publish that information...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Proof is every AMD roadmap updates since Vishera came out. Ever since then AMD "mysteriously" haven't mentioned anything about the AM3+ platform beyond Vishera -- could it be a coincidence? They simply focus on low-end and mainstream APUs (Kabini and Kaveri, respectively) instead of pushing such markets where they have no chance catching the performance crown from such products like Ivy Bridge-E or even Core i7 Haswell. They also left the DP+ server market, and next year they will only have a UP server FM2+ socket APU (based on Kaveri) and some micro-server stuff based on ARM and Kabini (Kyoto). So Socket AM3/AM3+, C32 and G34 are all EOL already. AMD just don't have the decency to clearly publish that information...

so another opinion then , fine IMHOamd are being quite about the future,,but I get why there quite,

,, where exactly could amd go beyond 16 cores at this node size, and what exactly can amd Do about node size,, nothing, just sit back and wait

 

[Fiery]

so another opinion then , fine IMHOamd are being quite about the future,,but I get why there quite,

,, where exactly could amd go beyond 16 cores at this node size, and what exactly can amd Do about node size,, nothing, just sit back and wait

Previously AMD have never been quiet about their future plans. At least they've made a nice slide with a bunch of fancy codenames -- only to drop some of those planned products before they get finished. Like Komodo, Krishna, Wichita, K9, etc. But now they don't even have codenames, nothing. Simply because they have no plans for any products to succeed Vishera, Seoul and Abu Dhabi.

Slides like this were the norm:

From the right side of the slide only Trinity came to life, Komodo and Krishna were both cancelled.

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Terramar and Sepang were also cancelled, like Komodo:

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Previously AMD have never been quiet about their future plans. At least they've made a nice slide with a bunch of fancy codenames -- only to drop some of those planned products before they get finished. Like Komodo, Krishna, Wichita, K9, etc. But now they don't even have codenames, nothing. Simply because they have no plans for any products to succeed Vishera, Seoul and Abu Dhabi.

Slides like this were the norm:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Dat...AMD-focuses-on-APUs/AMD_Roadmap_Nov10_689.jpg

From the right side of the slide only Trinity came to life, Komodo and Krishna were both cancelled.

--------

Terramar and Sepang were also cancelled, like Komodo:

http://hw-lab.com/_old/news/amd/roadmap-09-11-10/amd-server-roadmap_x1024.jpg

Yeah yeh, AMd's PR team responsible for all those slides are on the dole que mate and you well know it , since they left there have been less slides and no comment re the server cpu side but that dosnt mean they have left it to intel and ibm and again my main point


Why build modular and not use all you Ips potential< just answer this one question forget any other from me

 

[Fiery]

Why build modular and not use all you Ips potential< just answer this one question forget any other from me

Because even with 10 cores / 5 modules, they cannot beat even Core i7 Haswells, not to mention a 6-core Sandy Bridge-E or 6-core Ivy Bridge-E. Same issues in the server market: they have no chance against the upcoming 12-core Ivy Bridge-EP.

BTW, AMD's latest server slide looks like this:

Warsaw still uses Piledriver cores, so it's nothing else than a renamed or slightly tweaked Abu Dhabi / Seoul. No more than 16/8 cores.

Berlin is based on Kaveri, 1P server, FM2+ socket. Goes against Haswell-WS LGA1150.

Seattle is ARM based micro-server part, brand new stuff.

 

[seronx]

Warsaw still uses Piledriver cores, so it's nothing else than a renamed or slightly tweaked Abu Dhabi / Seoul. No more than 16/8 cores.

Warsaw only has 12 core and 16 core SKUs.

 

[Fiery]

Warsaw only has 12 core and 16 core SKUs.

What matters is that it doesn't have more than 16 cores, so it won't be considerably faster than Abu Dhabi. And even with more cores it would just raise more and more concerns, due to per core licensing issues which already plagued Interlagos and Abu Dhabi based systems

 

[zlatan]

They simply focus on low-end and mainstream APUs (Kabini and Kaveri, respectively) instead of pushing such markets where they have no chance catching the performance crown from such products like Ivy Bridge-E or even Core i7 Haswell.

They are definitely interested in high-end PC platforms, especially the gaming market, but not with CPUs anymore. At APU13 there will be many gaming session and two main presentation about iGPU compute in games. And the reason why they focusing this new approach is that they have developers on board. Many of them.

 

[seronx]

And even with more cores it would just raise more and more concerns, due to per core licensing issues which already plagued Interlagos and Abu Dhabi based systems

You only had to pay per two cores with Bulldozer(Interlagos/Abu Dhabi) and Stars(Magny-Cours).

For Intel -> You pay for every thread for licensing.
For AMD -> You pay for every other core for licensing.

 

[Fiery]

And the reason why they focusing this new approach is that they have developers on board. Many of them.

No, they focus on that approach because they have no other option. Their iGPU is considerably better than anything Intel could ever do, so they try to capitalize on that -- because they have nothing else to work with. Sadly, they cannot make a CPU anymore that could catch or beat Intel Core i7's. They still have great products that offer a great value (price per performance is still there), but they make virtually no money on performance products anymore. They produce them (AM3+, C32 and G34 CPUs) at higher costs than Intel can do theirs, and they have to sell them at much lower price tags than Intel's. They just burnt more and more cash on those markets, so they had to stop before they went bankrupt. It was a wise decision IMHO, but of course not easy to swallow by such enthusiasts who own AM3+ systems

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Because even with 10 cores / 5 modules, they cannot beat even Core i7 Haswells, not to mention a 6-core Sandy Bridge-E or 6-core Ivy Bridge-E. Same issues in the server market: they have no chance against the upcoming 12-core Ivy Bridge-EP.

BTW, AMD's latest server slide looks like this:

https://semiaccurate.com/assets/uploads/2013/06/AMD-Server-Roadmap.png

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/PublishingImages/pr-server-roadmap.jpg

Warsaw still uses Piledriver cores, so it's nothing else than a renamed or slightly tweaked Abu Dhabi / Seoul. No more than 16/8 cores.

Berlin is based on Kaveri, 1P server, FM2+ socket. Goes against Haswell-WS LGA1150.

Seattle is ARM based micro-server part, brand new stuff.

you kinda prove my point ,all the parts listed are KNOWN NODES why comment on something that does'nt exist yet in commercial volume or in any viable form that is saleable

so yes there still flogging a similar horse atm, thats about all they can do untill rory's input starts showing through and the foundry's present a useable 20Nm

Oh and im not botherred re upgradeing as my motherboards done and dusted regardless due to asus turning a bit shit about bios updates, im swapping it all out when pciex3 and ddr4 make a handhold in consumerland ie not for a while yet lol ive enough here anyways.