Core i7 "Haswell-E" HEDT Platform Launch Date Revealed

[ensabrenoir]

How about the 3820? I don't know about you, but I love mine. It's the best thing about skt2011 without breaking the bank. I thought about a 6c chip, but after thinking about it I didn't because even for my case (where I'm not mostly gaming) I decided against it. Just the price alone isn't worth it unless you need those cores and games don't.

Honestly I got my 3820 as a place holder until the 6 core Ivy E came out. When it did.... I saw no reason to up grade. My 3820 was just too good. Went way over kill on my board though. For the light vid work i do(as a hobby) a quad is truly enough.....but that six core temptation is ever present....just because

 

[radrok]

Come to me 8 core :3

 

[GhostRyder]

That's a SB-E not an IVB-E... learn to read his specs, 3960X @ 5.0Ghz. IVB-E is the one that can rarely hit 5ghz. He also has a custom water loop which makes achieving that a little easier.

Take your own advice, I never called his chip ivy bridge so I have no idea why you would reference that. My quote you grabbed made that very clear...Sandy bridge rocked at clocking ivy bridge did not. Haswell is a middle ground but suffered from the poor TIM. Hopefully so long as they stick to the guns like devils canyon the expensive E series chips will at least get right at 4.8-5.0. Even though devils canyon is not as great as expected, having high hopes is still not that bad...

Second so do I have a custom water loop? The E series is set up much better for overclocking in general so wanting 5ghz and achieving it is not that far fetched.

A serious question to all of you "I want Haswell-E when it comes out!" people. What are you going to use that tower for? If it's only games, I'll be disappointed. It would be clearly a waste of a platform in that case. The only time I could see justifying this kind of platform for gaming is if you plan on doing surround and if money means very little to you. Just putting that out there because an 8c or even 6c Intel CPU won't be fully taxed by just about any game on the market and the only justification would be PCI-E lanes for 3 or 4 GPUs in which case, a quad core would still be perfectly viable.

Games, dev work, adobe, rendering, and high resolution multi-gpu setup.

Also, I wish I had sufficiently expendable funds where I could invest in expensive hardware on a regular basis like @GhostRyder .

Well my computer has important needs that need to be served.

 

[buildzoid]

Not with that attitude it won't.

You have it listed at 5ghz bragger lol
But either way I meant more or less that is what I hoped for. I will get beyond 4.5 ghz for sure and probably up to 4.8 ghz. But its going to depend on how this E-series is done because this round theres an 8 core on the X and there are two 6 core models around. Will be interesting to see how they bin these chips because I believe that 4.6+ is going to be very easily done on these chips (Well at least the 5930k and beyond).

It's the summer and using 200W of CPU to run games is really not great when combined with 600W of GPUs in a small room without an AC.
I've ran it at 5Ghz for 2 years. It'll be back at 5Ghz by the end of september.

 

[GhostRyder]

It's the summer and using 200W of CPU to run games is really not great when combined with 600W of GPUs in a small room without an AC.

I hear that, I have an apartment with window units at the moment. My machine pumps out plenty if heat and I finally went and got another window unit for the room to keep things cool.

 

[buildzoid]

I hear that, I have an apartment with window units at the moment. My machine pumps out plenty if heat and I finally went and got another window unit for the room to keep things cool.

If I close the door and windows. Playing Planetside 2 for a bit my room is enough to get my room to 27C° even in winter. I like room temperatures around 22C° so in summer I clock it down and drop the GPU OCs once it get really hot outside.

 

[Deadlyraver]

To be honest, Intel guys are very very late with those launches, should have launched those at least half an year ago.

Not fair and that's why YOU should consider AMD processors ONLY!

I agree, the current trend is that performance for the dollar is reserved for cheaper platforms on the behalf of gamers. However, I built my X58 system for 1500 CAN and for eight years it has proved itself to be compatible for so many games in that timeline as I adapted with new RAM and video cards. To buy the successor of it, especially when it could have DDR4 upon release, may give me another several years of enjoying Intel products.

 

[GhostRyder]

If I close the door and windows. Playing Planetside 2 for a bit my room is enough to get my room to 27C° even in winter

Lol, when I used to play bf3 without an A/C my room got so hot that I literally looked like I went to the gym just sitting playing for an hour. That was when I decided to look for an A/C.

 

[Aquinus]

Take your own advice, I never called his chip ivy bridge so I have no idea why you would reference that. My quote you grabbed made that very clear...Sandy bridge rocked at clocking ivy bridge did not. Haswell is a middle ground but suffered from the poor TIM. Hopefully so long as they stick to the guns like devils canyon the expensive E series chips will at least get right at 4.8-5.0. Even though devils canyon is not as great as expected, having high hopes is still not that bad...

Second so do I have a custom water loop? The E series is set up much better for overclocking in general so wanting 5ghz and achieving it is not that far fetched.

Games, dev work, adobe, rendering, and high resolution multi-gpu setup.
Well my computer has important needs that need to be served.

A CPU like that needs a water loop just to gain some headroom to overclock considering that the TDP is already insanely high.

Also, if you look back, SB clocked better than SB-E did. So I don't expect Haswell-E to clock as high as Haswell or Devil's Canyon. I remember seeing people with 2700k's hitting 5.2-5.4ghz.

I'm a dev in my day job and I can say with certainty that most devs don't need a 6c/12t workstation to do their jobs and if that kind of horse power is required you're typically using a server at that point because what ever your writing probably scales better than that, or might, but you won't know unless you have those kinds of resources handy. Adobe, okay, but if you're not doing it professionally I see little point for this to be a reason to invest in such a platform, same with the rendering. So really, it's just your gaming rig that doubles as a workstation, not a workstation that doubles as a gaming rig considering your current rig has 3x GPUs (consider poor support doing GPGPU on multiple GPUs in tandem) and the lack of redundant storage, I'm inclined to think your rig is primarily for gaming, but don't let me convince you otherwise. Your putting those dollars to good use, I'm sure.

 

[GhostRyder]

A CPU like that needs a water loop just to gain some headroom to overclock considering that the TDP is already insanely high.

Also, if you look back, SB clocked better than SB-E did. So I don't expect Haswell-E to clock as high as Haswell or Devil's Canyon. I remember seeing people with 2700k's hitting 5.2-5.4ghz.

So what? Does not mean that's how Haswell-E will be and the fact that Haswell is an actual decent clocker means we can still expect something decent from it. I still plan to attempt to push it to its limits and hoping they will make a chip at least with a pretty far clock headroom.

I'm a dev in my day job and I can say with certainty that most devs don't need a 6c/12t workstation to do their jobs and if that kind of horse power is required you're typically using a server at that point because what ever your writing probably scales better than that, or might, but you won't know unless you have those kinds of resources handy. Adobe, okay, but if you're not doing it professionally I see little point for this to be a reason to invest in such a platform, same with the rendering. So really, it's just your gaming rig that doubles as a workstation, not a workstation that doubles as a gaming rig considering your current rig has 3x GPUs (consider poor support doing GPGPU on multiple GPUs in tandem) and the lack of redundant storage, I'm inclined to think your rig is primarily for gaming, but don't let me convince you otherwise. Your putting those dollars to good use, I'm sure.

Congrats, I build and fix servers for the state of Texas. What I do with my machine is up to me so ill make my own choices with it thank you. As for my GPU count, I always go above and beyond as did I before with Dual HD 6990's, GTX 580's, GTX 295's, and below. As for redundancy, I leave that to my servers at home because they have plenty and are the main backup's/dev machines I use when I do not wish to use my desktop. They backup plenty for me and I felt no need to invest in multiple HDD's/SSD's just to do what my servers already do for me.

My machine is my choice...I have my reasons for my component selections.

 

[Aquinus]

So what? Does not mean that's how Haswell-E will be and the fact that Haswell is an actual decent clocker means we can still expect something decent from it. I still plan to attempt to push it to its limits and hoping they will make a chip at least with a pretty far clock headroom.

Not if it's like skt2011 and skt1366 where it's based off Xeons where overclocking was an afterthought.

Congrats, I build and fix servers for the state of Texas. What I do with my machine is up to me so ill make my own choices with it thank you. As for my GPU count, I always go above and beyond as did I before with Dual HD 6990's, GTX 580's, GTX 295's, and below. As for redundancy, I leave that to my servers at home because they have plenty and are the main backup's/dev machines I use when I do not wish to use my desktop. They backup plenty for me and I felt no need to invest in multiple HDD's/SSD's just to do what my servers already do for me.

My machine is my choice...I have my reasons for my component selections.

Fair enough. I never said I was telling you how to spend your money or what components to buy, just that I doubt Haswell-E would feel any different than a regular Haswell CPU for what you use it for with the exception of the 3 GPUs, which a board with a PLX chip would probably handle just fine. I've just learned from having a family that investing money for the future tends to be more important than just about anything else so price is always a consideration when I pick out hardware now. Once again, I wish I was like you where I could spend a good chunk of money on a regular basis for new hardware and just buy the latest and greatest without a second thought, it must be nice.

 

[GhostRyder]

Not if it's like skt2011 and skt1366 where it's based off Xeons where overclocking was an afterthought.

Either way, its not like these are going to be horrible clockers in the end or else they would lose value compared to the desktop counterparts. As long as 4.6+ is achievable then it will be fine.

Fair enough. I never said I was telling you how to spend your money or what components to buy, just that I doubt Haswell-E would feel any different than a regular Haswell CPU for what you use it for with the exception of the 3 GPUs, which a board with a PLX chip would probably handle just fine. I've just learned from having a family that investing money for the future tends to be more important than just about anything else so price is always a consideration when I pick out hardware now. Once again, I wish I was like you where I could spend a good chunk of money on a regular basis for new hardware and just buy the latest and greatest without a second thought, it must be nice.

My finances are my finances, I know when and where I can spend some extra money for fun or for business since my company allows me access to certain amenities.

Also Haswell-E and X99 is going to be DDR4 which I have an interest in.

 

[Aquinus]

Either way, its not like these are going to be horrible clockers in the end or else they would lose value compared to the desktop counterparts. As long as 4.6+ is achievable then it will be fine.



My finances are my finances, I know when and where I can spend some extra money for fun or for business since my company allows me access to certain amenities.

Also Haswell-E and X99 is going to be DDR4 which I have an interest in.

Did you not learn a lesson with the DDR3 release or the DDR2 release? I always urge people to never get the first revision of a product. You're so much more likely to encounter issues just to use the latest which very well might not even be all that great in retrospect until frequencies get higher with these nutty high timings on DDR4. I didn't jump on the DDR3 ship right away and I don't think I will for DDR4 either. Also memory bandwidth is hardly Intel's problem at the moment so I wouldn't look into memory all that much when it comes to Intel (or even AMD, non-APU CPUs since iGPU like to eat as much memory bandwidth as it can.) I don't expect Haswell-E to be much of a better clocker or all that much faster than IVB-E is, but we can discuss that again when Haswell-E comes out because no one really knows for sure.

 

[GhostRyder]

Did you not learn a lesson with the DDR3 release or the DDR2 release? I always urge people to never get the first revision of a product. You're so much more likely to encounter issues just to use the latest which very well might not even be all that great in retrospect until frequencies get higher with these nutty high timings on DDR4. I didn't jump on the DDR3 ship right away and I don't think I will for DDR4 either. Also memory bandwidth is hardly Intel's problem at the moment so I wouldn't look into memory all that much when it comes to Intel (or even AMD, non-APU CPUs since iGPU like to eat as much memory bandwidth as it can.) I don't expect Haswell-E to be much of a better clocker or all that much faster than IVB-E is, but we can discuss that again when Haswell-E comes out because no one really knows for sure.

Sorry but I like a challenge and to experience new things...Having fun with the new stuff is always a key point when it comes to components and DDR4 is no exception to me. As for the past, that is why we call it the past and I choose to look forward to the future. If it turns out to be atrocious and hard to work with, then by god ill work with it until its happy because that is part of the fun. My Servers have all my files including the game im working on with a group backed up and is the primary log in area for all work. I do most of my work on my machine, but I keep everything stored on the server so I can have my fun.

The fun of computers is working on the new things and pushing them to greater heights. Being to safe tends to be very boring, hence why I stopped doing air cooling long ago (Not to say being to careful is not a key, but its more fun to do things not everyone else is doing because that is considered a challenge to me).

As for Bandwidth, yea I know that iGPU is a key area that bandwidth like that matters and its more for an AMD APU where you get more tangible benefits. Still is nice though and somethign I want to explore (Probably the only area of the build i'm doing that has the least purpose and is more about fun).

 

[ProxyAU]

A serious question to all of you "I want Haswell-E when it comes out!" people. What are you going to use that tower for?

Forensic applications, VMs, hashing algorithms and light gaming. Most early adopters will need it for multithreaded, CPU intensive tasks. If not, who cares? It's not my place to judge how people spend their hard earned cash.