NVIDIA Files Complaints Against Samsung and Qualcomm for Patent Infringement

[eidairaman1]

Nv is green=envy/greed. Samsung will counter sue like they did with Apple

 

[Sempron Guy]

how would this affect nvidia using samsung mem chips for their gpus?

 

[HumanSmoke]

Nv is green=envy/greed. Samsung will counter sue like they did with Apple

Pretty standard practice across the industry - Apple and Motorola have the same thing in play at the moment. Like injunctive relief it's a bargaining chip, since neither side want the case to go the distance just in case the verdict sets an uncomfortable precedent, and of course the posturing is basically setting the ante for the game.
Samsung's willingness to fight is pretty well known, and Qualcomm can just add Nvidia to the list that includes ParkerVision, Adaptix, and Bandspeed

how would this affect nvidia using samsung mem chips for their gpus?

Probably wouldn't. The contract would be between Samsung and the reference board builder (Hon Hai (Foxconn)) and the individual AIB's.

 

[Steevo]

That almost makes sense in isolation, except if you'll note that Mali is ARM not Imagination Tech. If this affects Imagination as the IP license originator, then the same must be true for ARM Holding's since Mali is their design. The actual case seems to be semi-custom architectural licensing for modification since ARM's other Mali's variants that aren't Samsung and licensed to the companies I noted (MediaTek, Rockchip, Allwinner etc.) aren't covered in the suit.

The WHOLE Japanese electronics industry is based upon the Japanese Government's refusal to recognise U.S. and International patents and the whole protectionism racket that was JECC. Companies like T.I. and Motorola got reamed for years thanks to government sanctioned IP theft.

It involves ALL of them since they are named in the injunction, my comment still stands, semi-custom architectural means nothing as Samsung only specify what baseband, memory, speeds, and specific add on's to a complete package they use.


http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id8202


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7783/...01-msm8974ac-the-new-32bit-flagship-until-805

I show a Qualcomm MSM8973AC in mine, so perhaps Nvidia is just butthurt, and trying to get a foothold in the market by trying to force their chips on phone makers? Even though their last one was utter shit, and the new one is already slower than current chips?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)

Looks like I have the high end variant, using essentially a AMD GPU, from assets acquired by Qualcomm from AMD, being from AMD and not from Nvidia, since its from AMD, and not Nvidia, and since they got it from AMD, and not from Nvidia, and they make the chip with the technology they got from AMD and not Nvidia, it looks like Nvidia is just useing the shotgun approach against the largest android phone maker to try and get in on some action, perhaps poor little Jim No Hung got his little pee pee hurt when they told him to screw off, since they are using AMD GPU tech and not Nvidia, being tech they legally got from AMD, being the company from which they purchased the legal designs, and not Nvidia.

 

[The Von Matrices]

how would this affect nvidia using samsung mem chips for their gpus?

Likely not very much.

In a market with only a few possible suppliers, it doesn't make business sense to alienate one of them, even if you are in a lawsuit. The more suppliers you have, the more chance you have to negotiate for the lowest prices, which in the end saves more money than a judgment can provide. It's the exact reason why when Apple added TSMC as a SoC manufaturer they still kept Samsung despite the numerous lawsuits.

 

[HumanSmoke]

That almost makes sense in isolation, except if you'll note that Mali is ARM not Imagination Tech. If this affects Imagination as the IP license originator, then the same must be true for ARM Holding's since Mali is their design. The actual case seems to be semi-custom architectural licensing for modification since ARM's other Mali's variants that aren't Samsung and licensed to the companies I noted (MediaTek, Rockchip, Allwinner etc.) aren't covered in the suit

It involves ALL of them since they are named in the injunction

Well, no, they aren't all named in the injunction. Only Samsung and Qualcomm are named...it couldn't have escaped your notice if you'd even browsed through it, since it's featured on Pages 1 and 2.
Anandtech has a more substantial article;

Ultimately this suit is focused around Samsung, as Samsung is both a device integrator and the manufacturer of the Exynos line of SoCs. Meanwhile because Samsung also uses Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoCs in a number of products (including the North American editions of many phones), Qualcomm is being collared in to the suit on the basis that they are supplying some of the infringing GPUs.

my comment still stands, semi-custom architectural means nothing as Samsung only specify what baseband, memory, speeds, and specific add on's to a complete package they use.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id8202


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7783/...01-msm8974ac-the-new-32bit-flagship-until-805

Not sure what you're driving at. The litigation centres around the GPU of the SoC, and the GPU in the links you provided clearly point to the Adreno 330. The Samsung models using the Mali GPU chip SPECIFICALLY AVOID those Samsung models using ARM's standard 400-MP. All the Samsung products on the injunction use what appears to be a Samsung-specific Mali T628MP6 (and T760 for the Galaxy Tab 2 although that is also specced for Qualcomm's Adreno 420).

EDIT: After reading through the suit, the actual GPUs involved (see sections 95-98 in the pdf link that Maban posted) affects Qualcomm's Adreno and Imagination's SGX540/544 and ONLY the one Samsung-specific semi-custom T628 - NOT any of ARM's off the shelf designs.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I hope S3 trolls em all....lol

Or should I say HTC

 

[hardcore_gamer]

If you can't beat 'em, sue the fvck out of 'em.

 

[HumanSmoke]

I hope S3 trolls em all....lol
Or should I say HTC

Surely that's ViRGEing on insanity!

 

[mroofie]

Samesung< fanboys butthurt

 

[Frick]

The problem isn't the idea of patents , Its the fact that the patent office has no understanding of the technology they are issuing patents for, so a lot of these tech patents should have never been issued in the first place.

Example, Slide to unlock.

I'm not saying that's the case here but it is all too common.

Then Why The Flying Fudge are you relating it to that? It's just stupid. I know dumb americans, so all americans are dumb? I know of a finnish murderer, are all finnish people murderers? I actually know a guy who was in prison, is all people in prisons?

The worst fallout from the Apple v Samsung thing is retarded stuff like this. Some patents are stupid, therefore I will crap all over the internet every single time patents are mentioned, no matter what I know of the subject!

 

[Sony Xperia S]

That's all just swell, but none of it changes the fact the girls I responded too keep backing the wrong horse.

I am wondering how exactly to insult you since almost every word will be too little....

 

[PLAfiller]

I am wondering how exactly to insult you since almost every word will be too little....

Why? The guy's tongue slipped a bit. Your comment above his brings as much to the discussion. If you want to make a difference don't fight fire with fire, in my opinion. "Everyone should and will be happy once nvidia goes bankrupt. " - and now that you have a responce to that, you feel butthurt. I am sorry, I can't empathize here.

That's why I am just reading. So far HumanSmoke and Maban has proved to be most useful with Steevo being the catalyst in the discussion (by throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks - too much Suits watching).

As a result of their conversation I am now convinced the nVidia lawsuit is rightful and hope they can win something out of it.

 

[Recus]

Our products aren't selling well
Quick lets sue the competition

Like AMD sue Intel more than 30 years already?

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/12/a-timeline-of-intel-and-amds-legal-battles/

Everyone should and will be happy once nvidia goes bankrupt.

Not in this solar system, troll.

In this one case Nvidia is sucking hind teat on mobile, their last chips were flops, and the new one is barely becoming available and already outclassed by competition, so yeah I see this as a BS move to try and hold up the competition and gain market foothold, not sure it will work, since Nvidia is like #1589 in companies VS Samsung at a meager #22.

http://www.androidcentral.com/50000-units-xiaomis-mipad-sold-just-under-four-minutes
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/0...6-million-cars-now-running-nvidia-processors/

Nv is green=envy/greed. Samsung will counter sue like they did with Apple

AMD is red=rage how they want $700 for free FreeSync.

If you can't beat 'em, sue the fvck out of 'em.

Nvidia must learned this from industry leader AMD?

http://www.cnet.com/news/intel-to-pay-amd-1-25-billion-in-antitrust-settlement/

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Why?

Because I didn't turn to him in particular and haven't said that he is a monkey, a worm or a bacteria when he deserves it.

About why nvidia should go bankrupt.

Well, simply because I don't see their value in the market whatsoever and without them there will be the better situation. I believe they will bankrupt in the future.

 

[xBruce88x]

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/12/a-timeline-of-intel-and-amds-legal-battles/

come to think of it dell computers still mostly only come with Intel CPUs. would explain why AMD failed so hard in sales. they've always had issue with R&D budget, had this not happened in the first place AMD quite possibly could have had more for R&D by now.

and of course nvidia is "butthurt". Someone has blatantly ripped off their ideas and used them in their own products (which happen to be better) and with Samsung's capability to make stuff in-house its no wonder their stuff is more popular, even if they more or less copy-paste from someone elses ideas. nVidia has to pay someone else to make their Tegra chips, whereas Samsung can just make theirs themselves, which cuts their costs and increases their profits. In fact... nVidia actually had to go to Samsung to make their Tegra chips in the first place!

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/201...-at-samsung-fab2c-ibm2c-globalfoundries-next/

would explain how Samsung got their hands on the tech.

oh... and before i'm labeled as a fanboy... look at my system specs.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Because I didn't turn to him in particular and haven't said that he is a monkey, a worm or a bacteria when he deserves it.

About why nvidia should go bankrupt.

Well, simply because I don't see their value in the market whatsoever and without them there will be the better situation. I believe they will bankrupt in the future.

The problem is you talk a load of tosh, as this post once again confirms.

And I hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for them to go bankrupt... actually scratch that, I hope you are.

 

[silentbogo]

We are asking the ITC to block shipments of Samsung Galaxy mobile phones and tablets containing Qualcomm’s Adreno, ARM’s Mali or Imagination’s PowerVR graphics architectures.

I'm only wondering, why Samsung? What about my Patent-Infringed Cubietruck with Mali-400 MP or thousands of other brands of devices utilizing either one of those graphical cores?

About why nvidia should go bankrupt.

Well, simply because I don't see their value in the market whatsoever and without them there will be the better situation. I believe they will bankrupt in the future.

Dunno about that. They might still suck in mobile segment, but without NVidia we wouldn't have CUDA, Programmable Shaders, upcoming GPU Virtualization or cheapest supercomputing platform ever. PhysX was originally build by Ageia around GeForce 7800GT GPU. Now we get Tegra K1, which has twice as many cuda cores as my laptop.

 

[HumanSmoke]

come to think of it dell computers still mostly only come with Intel CPUs. would explain why AMD failed so hard in sales. they've always had issue with R&D budget, had this not happened in the first place AMD quite possibly could have had more for R&D by now.

OT but I'll endeavour to add some quick facts and backround before this turns into a flamefest

Decreased R&D? Quite possible - Intel gave Dell about a billion dollars to remain Intel exclusive, but you'd need to factor in a few other things, such as
1. While Dell wasn't an AMD customer, Hewlett-Packard was and AMD couldn't keep them or their other OEMs supplied with chips (at least not the better binned ones) - for example 1998.....2004....2005
2. When Dell signed on to sell AMD procs in 2006 - initially Opteron servers and a couple of months later desktop, AMD basically diverted H-P's chips to Dell...Dell then went into their famous nosedive and H-P became the number one supplier of computer systems. Oops!
3. AMD's cash supply and fortunes were directly related to the cash they borrowed to buy ATI. Write downs of over half the amount AMD paid out and debt servicing directly led to selling off the cable TV business to Broadcom, the mobile IP business to Qualcomm (which is what is being discussed here), their foundry business to ATIC/Mubadala, and also led directly to AMD narrowing its R&D focus to a modular CPU architecture at the expense of jettisoning the mobile and smartphone processor development in 2008

Dunno about that. They might still suck in mobile segment, but without NVidia we wouldn't have CUDA, Programmable Shaders, upcoming GPU Virtualization or cheapest supercomputing platform ever.

Without Nvidia, we'd have a single discrete graphics maker. Some people might find this attractive, but I'm guessing that prices wouldn't remain at present levels. Some people it seems put fanboyism ahead of monetary consideration - an odd stance since the same people tend to level the same criticism at people that buy Nvidia products.

 

[Solidstate89]

Another patent troll

Do you even know what a Patent Troll is? Patent Trolls are non practicing entities. They're companies that purchase patents from bankrupt or defunct companies, and then do nothing with them except sue other, legitimate companies as their only form of income.

Last I checked, nVidia actually does R&D. Last I checked, they actually sell physical hardware, in stores.

I really wish people would understand exactly what a patent trolls is. Even Apple, as much as most people disagree with their litigious nature (myself included), are not patent trolls. They actually produce real products.

You want to see what a real patent troll looks like, look up Intellectual Ventures.

About why nvidia should go bankrupt.

Well, simply because I don't see their value in the market whatsoever and without them there will be the better situation. I believe they will bankrupt in the future.

You people never seem to cease to amaze me just how fricken' short-sighted you all are. You really think we'd be better off with a GPU landscape of just AMD? There's only two companies that make dedicated GPUs for system builders and OEMs, and that's AMD and nVidia. Only two that make professional graphics cards for CAD work in the form of FirePros and Quadros. And that's AMD and nVidia.

But you, in your infinite wisdom believe that in such a hotly contested field with only two competitors to keep prices in check....would be better off with one of them going bankrupt?

Jesus H. Christ....

 

[TheMailMan78]

Then Why The Flying Fudge are you relating it to that? It's just stupid. I know dumb americans, so all americans are dumb? I know of a finnish murderer, are all finnish people murderers? I actually know a guy who was in prison, is all people in prisons?

The worst fallout from the Apple v Samsung thing is retarded stuff like this. Some patents are stupid, therefore I will crap all over the internet every single time patents are mentioned, no matter what I know of the subject!

Did someone say America?

 

[silentbogo]

Without Nvidia, we'd have a single discrete graphics maker. Some people might find this attractive, but I'm guessing that prices wouldn't remain at present levels. Some people it seems put fanboyism ahead of monetary consideration - an odd stance since the same people tend to level the same criticism at people that buy Nvidia products.

That too (except Intel, maybe). Competition is a good thing, when it exists

 

[v12dock]

People in the Tegra department just want a bigger bonus

 

[Sony Xperia S]

You people never seem to cease to amaze me just how fricken' short-sighted you all are. You really think we'd be better off with a GPU landscape of just AMD?

As far as I know, Nature never leaves empty space.

AMD and Intel would be perfectly fine as a remaining companies, and of course, nvidia can be replaced by someone better than them.

Should I list you the reasons why I am so unhappy with nvidia and their practices?

 

[Frick]

Did someone say America?

That is EXACTLY how I imagine you, but fat.