Intel Haswell-EX an 18-core Leviathan

Petey Plane · Feb 12, 2015

eidairaman1 said:
Not Since Mrs Su stepped in.

Petey plane part of it deals with Intel twisting peoples arms during the Athlon 64 days. So alot of this is Intel's Fault not all of it though.

Oh yeah, i'm not saying Intel is a shining example of corporate ethics, but rather that the argument that Intel should be sued for anti-trust violations just because they don't sell a sub-$1000 18 core, consumer oriented chip is completely silly. AMD started selling 16 core Opterons in 2011, a few years before the 16 core Xeon. They can still be had, for significantly less than a Xeon too. Have fun finding a socket G34 mobo though.

eidairaman1 · Feb 12, 2015

Petey Plane said:
Oh yeah, i'm not saying Intel is a shining example of corporate ethics, but rather that the argument that Intel should be sued for anti-trust violations just because they don't sell a sub-$1000 18 core, consumer oriented chip is completely silly. Also, AMD has had a 16 core server chip for at least 2 years now, and it sells for significantly less than a Xeon.

Thx for clearing that up.

RejZoR · Feb 12, 2015

I always felt like I need more cores for Solitaire. multithreading all those cards at the end is tricky...

Patriot · Feb 12, 2015

Petey Plane said:
Oh yeah, i'm not saying Intel is a shining example of corporate ethics, but rather that the argument that Intel should be sued for anti-trust violations just because they don't sell a sub-$1000 18 core, consumer oriented chip is completely silly. AMD started selling 16 core Opterons in 2011, a few years before the 16 core Xeon. They can still be had, for significantly less than a Xeon too. Have fun finding a socket G34 mobo though.

Yeah... but G34s are kinda shoddy...

I also don't think people realize intel already has a 18c chip on the market... the e5-2699 v3
This is just bringing the 18c to the E7 socket and the 4-8 way markets.

Also... I hope that isn't all the chips they are doing... I have a server with 4x E7-4890 V2s... those are 15c @ 2.8ghz... looks like you lose a lot of clock with these new chips.

kniaugaudiskis · Feb 12, 2015

natr0n said:
If you don't want this cpu something is wrong with you.

Great, it means I'm still fine.

EarthDog · Feb 13, 2015

I wonder what these cpus will do in benchmarks like 06, vantage, 11, FS... And wprime...

eidairaman1 · Feb 13, 2015

EarthDog said:
I wonder what these cpus will do in benchmarks like 06, vantage, 11, FS... And wprime...

Only if they can detect more than 4-8 cores.

Arjai · Feb 13, 2015

Hmmm...I could win the lottery.

Buy a big air conditioner.

Build a server rack with 10 2p's.

72 thread's per board.

x10 boards, 720 threads.

How long would it take for [Ion] and Gobuuko to catch that for Daily numbers?

Of course, I would have to pay somebody to build it and set it up. Make sure it runs for a year, I may sober up by then. Then take over running it. Or, not....

:rolleyes:

twilyth · Feb 13, 2015

At least this means that the price of existing v3's should start to drop. The prices that some people want for the v3 ES chips is crazy.

Prima.Vera · Feb 13, 2015

Hello:

xorbe · Feb 13, 2015

16 @ 2.5 GHz

riffraffy · Feb 13, 2015

If I can connect a Cray 3000 to my desktop ,I will still have a desktop with Windows 8.1 . If this chip can rewrite windows I'm in .

twilyth · Feb 13, 2015

xorbe said:
16 @ 2.5 GHz

Well, what you'd really want to do is get at least a 2P board which would mean 32 cores and . . . . wait for it . . . . 64 mother-crunching threads. Oh yeah baby, that's how I like it.

Steevo · Feb 13, 2015

Great for scientific applications, like F@H, or QCD calculations, but not so much for anything prosumer or consumer grade for years yet.

Hell, we aren't even using the real X64 of X64 yet, only for more memory for poorly written software.

Yorgos · Feb 13, 2015

lemonadesoda said:
If I get this, will minesweeper stop lagging?

Jokes aside, this is pretty good. I wonder what idle power looks like, rather than just TDP. I'm still running a somewhat older 2x E5472. The idle consumption and heat is the spoiler. If the new Haswell-EX E7v3's manage to noticeably cut the idle+average power consumption, then upgrades are merited for that reason alone.

If you have that beast idling, then you deserve a kick in the nuts by chuck noris.

Petey Plane · Feb 13, 2015

xorbe said:
16 @ 2.5 GHz

these are server parts. Efficiency is just as important as performance, if not more so.

Prima.Vera · Feb 13, 2015

Anyone knows the actual physical size of this monster's die??

THU31 · Feb 13, 2015

TheGuruStud said:
CPUs aren't a limiting factor in games.

Since when?
Sure, you do not need 18 cores, you do not really need more than 4, but having only 1 or 2 cores, or a low clock speed, can limit your framerate severely.

And single-threaded performance is what is most limiting in brand new games like Dying Light for example. That is how DX11 works (the API and driver only use one thread for most of their operations), and it should be eliminated in DX12.

Petey Plane · Feb 13, 2015

Harry Lloyd said:
Since when?
Sure, you do not need 18 cores, you do not really need more than 4, but having only 1 or 2 cores, or a low clock speed, can limit your framerate severely.

And single-threaded performance is what is most limiting in brand new games like Dying Light for example. That is how DX11 works (the API and driver only use one thread for most of their operations), and it should be eliminated in DX12.

More accurately, it should be, "above a 4-core, $150 CPU, the CPU is not a limiting factor." Considering the typical reader of this sight, that was just assumed.

MxPhenom 216 · Feb 13, 2015

TheGuruStud said:
CPUs aren't a limiting factor in games.

They can be for some games.

EarthDog · Feb 13, 2015

eidairaman1 said:
Only if they can detect more than 4-8 cores.

WPrime sure as hell can. I do not recall limits on the Futuremark suite either...

IvantheDugtrio · Feb 13, 2015

Welp Intel has gone the AMD route of "moar coars". This is sort of bad for enterprise since most of their software is priced per core.

I really want IBM to get somewhere with their Power8 and Power9 architectures. At least they're developing something new.

EarthDog · Feb 13, 2015

Per CPU, isn't it? So wouldn't this HELP?

I want to say RHEL licenses are per core though...

Nordic · Feb 13, 2015

IvantheDugtrio said:
Welp Intel has gone the AMD route of "moar coars". This is sort of bad for enterprise since most of their software is priced per core.

I really want IBM to get somewhere with their Power8 and Power9 architectures. At least they're developing something new.

More cores are a good thing. In this case intel has the single threaded performance along with the multithreaded compared to amd.

I also don't understand the logic of how this is bad for enterprises. Wouldn't they just buy a cpu with less cores if that was a concern? This cpu is just an option.

IvantheDugtrio · Feb 13, 2015

james888 said:
More cores are a good thing. In this case intel has the single threaded performance along with the multithreaded compared to amd.

I also don't understand the logic of how this is bad for enterprises. Wouldn't they just buy a cpu with less cores if that was a concern? This cpu is just an option.

Uh buying less cores means less overall performance. What is needed is better performance from individuals cores. If enterprises only need to pay for 12 cores to get the same performance as Intel's 18 cores then that's a huge savings license-wise.

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Intel Haswell-EX an 18-core Leviathan

Petey Plane

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

RejZoR

Patriot

kniaugaudiskis

EarthDog

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

Arjai

twilyth

Prima.Vera

xorbe

riffraffy

twilyth

Steevo

Yorgos

Petey Plane

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THU31

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