NVIDIA Readying GM200-based GeForce GTX 980 Ti

[15th Warlock]

Well, it's because they're assholes dummy!

Yup, prime example can be found above this post

Because Titan card are sign of stupidity - pay 1k$ and some months later for almost half of the price, we have faster card. I already feel bad about you.

Well, thank you very much for proving my point, I really appreciate you feeling bad about me, I already feel much better because of it, have a nice day sir

 

[heydan83]

Yup, prime example can be found above this post



Well, thank you very much for proving my point, I really appreciate you feeling bad about me, I already feel much better because of it, have a nice day sir

Hi, I dont want to offend anyone, I just want to give my opinion in the subject, and maybe I can be wrong, but I think that buying a Titan it is just to be buying a false label of "Enthusiast" or "The most powerful GPU on earth" attach with a ridiculous price that nvidia want to makes people to think and really feel that if they own this product they will be really enthusiasts, but I think that buying an expensive product doesn't make you a real enthusiast, I know people who doesn't have the money to build an extreme rig, but they are passionate just by building a $700 dollar rig, by choosing wisely the components of their rigs with the knowledge for technology they have because that´s what they like to do. So I think a true enthusiast buys their components wisely and a true nvidia fan boy buys a titan.

 

[d1nky]

@15thwarlock how do those titans power that monitor and is that monitor good gaming with gsync? thats like a dream build right there!

hopefully this release will lower prices on everything else!

p.s to the haters, have you seen the reviews/vids showing an oc'd titanx against sli980s and 4k.... jeez some power! let alone sli titanx!

 

[RejZoR]

I just wish they won't waste performance gains just to add bunch of useless effects in games like they've done with stupid tessellation. Instead of keeping same visual fidelity and increasing performance with it, they ALL opted to churn 24759376837563964 billion polygons on fucking everything, dragging performance to new depths of hell. And we can barely see any in-game difference where performance benefits would mean more players would be able to enjoy games on weaker systems.

And I bet you, I bet you they'll do the same with DX12. Wooohooo, we got tons of extra power reserves, lets stick bunch of useless crap into games and make them equally slow as they were before DX12. They always do this kind of shit...

 

[Cybrnook2002]

Yup, prime example can be found above this post



Well, thank you very much for proving my point, I really appreciate you feeling bad about me, I already feel much better because of it, have a nice day sir

It's okay Warlock, I spend unnecessary amounts of $ on cards too. Mine arrived today (as if I need it) - 2nd card is on the way.

Will likely pick up a 390X when they drop too.

 

[15th Warlock]

It's okay Warlock, I spend unnecessary amounts of $ on cards too. Mine arrived today (as if I need it)

Congrats on your new card! I'm pretty sure you'll love it, are you gonna put it under a water block also?

Hi, I dont want to offend anyone, I just want to give my opinion in the subject, and maybe I can be wrong, but I think that buying a Titan it is just to be buying a false label of "Enthusiast" or "The most powerful GPU on earth" attach with a ridiculous price that nvidia want to makes people to think and really feel that if they own this product they will be really enthusiasts, but I think that buying an expensive product doesn't make you a real enthusiast, I know people who doesn't have the money to build an extreme rig, but they are passionate just by building a $700 dollar rig, by choosing wisely the components of their rigs with the knowledge for technology they have because that´s what they like to do. So I think a true enthusiast buys their components wisely and a true nvidia fan boy buys a titan.

Hi Heydan, yes, I understand what you're trying to say, but that doesn't mean spending more money on your rig means ppl are less passionate about their PCs.

It could be argued that ppl who spends thousands of dollars on exotic cars are just as passionate about their hobby as much as someone who invest weekends working under a car they've built with their own hands.

I'm not a believer of the word enthusiast defining only ppl who spend a certain amount of money on any given hobby. Also, I don't like throwing the word fanboy lightly, many ppl get the best cards from AMD and Nvidia alike, as well as play on consoles so if anything, would you call those ppl gaming fanboys?

@15thwarlock how do those titans power that monitor and is that monitor good gaming with gsync? thats like a dream build right there!

hopefully this release will lower prices on everything else!

p.s to the haters, have you seen the reviews/vids showing an oc'd titanx against sli980s and 4k.... jeez some power! let alone sli titanx!

That 4K monitor is awesome for gaming! To be honest with you I like it better than the swift.

And yes, this release, will lower the price of admittance for both AMD and Nvidia gamers, which is good all around

Now that both AMD and Nvidia are focusing on adaptive frame sync, gaming on 4K monitors is more fluid than ever, and both the 980Ti and the 390X will make single GPU 4K gaming a reality at last

 

[Cybrnook2002]

Congrats on your new card! I'm pretty sure you'll love it, are you gonna put it under a water block also?

YOU KNOW IT! Can't have my babies sitting at 84/86 C I am shooting for 60's under load. Have my blocks on order from PPCS (Just came back in stock yesterday/today) So once they come in, I will test em out.

Side note, cant wait for the damn Acer Predator to drop... Ungh....

 

[15th Warlock]

YOU KNOW IT! Can't have my babies sitting at 84/86 C I am shooting for 60's under load. Have my blocks on order form PPCS (Just can back in stock yesterday/today) So once they come in, I will test em out.

Side note, cant wait for the damn Acer Predator to drop... Ungh....

Yup, I think the NVTT cooler has finally reached the end of the line, and Maxwell begs to be put under water, my 980s scream at 1500MHz core speed well under 50 degrees under water!

Can't wait for my EK blocks to arrive, GM200 will be a monster of a GPU if properly cooled, both the Titan-X and 980Ti owners are in for one hell of a ride!

And what Acer monitor are you referring to if I may ask?

 

[Cybrnook2002]

A good, and expensive, time to be a gamer/enthusiast

 

[BorisDG]

All of your cards with Hynix memory? What about the ASIC quality of the chips?

 

[Captain_Tom]

Because Titan card are sign of stupidity - pay 1k$ and some months later for almost half of the price, we have faster card. I already feel bad about you. Before we had at least double precision .. now only more gigs but for what?

Bingo. Sometimes people are made fun of for a reason. You may see a halo product that everyone else wishes they had, but really what we see is some guy who fell for Nvidia's BS marketing.

 

[johnspack]

Just get them out already. I'm tired of my 480, want a 970, but don't want to pay 400 for the darn thing.... was going to pull on a 770 at almost 300 but then ncix cleared them out and replaced
with the 400+ 970s. Always such a small margin of affordability when Canadian suppliers keep small stocks.....

 

[Shihab]

I personally bet on the card being slower or equal to the Titan X. A safe bet would place it midway between the X and the 980. Assuming the folks at Nvidia aren't idiots enough to think 12GB of memory is the only marketing point it takes to sell a card.

There's also the possibility that the 980Ti's GM200 be crippled in some aspect. Lower OC headroom, less/slower ROPs to limit performance at high resolutions (or so I believe the effect would be), etc, etc.

I just wish they won't waste performance gains just to add bunch of useless effects in games like they've done with stupid tessellation.

Tessellation wasn't useless. Misused most of the time, but not useless. Heck, if applications such as Unigine Heaven's were to become mainstream, that would've been cool!
Come to think of it, screw tessellation! Let every model be a high poly one! And while we are at it, let's path trace everything! Render at 4x native res! Physically simulate every hair strand! Infinite LoD!

 

[ensabrenoir]

........the vast majority of Titan critics/haters don't get it...... Those who can afford to buy a titan do so because they want to and they can.....when something faster pops up......they'll buy it regardless of their Titan. Its like buying a Bentley...... they are faster, better engineered even more luxurious cars out there........but regardless.....if you bought one...... you still got a Bentley. This card don't belong in any conversation about price/performance. Its just simply a prestige piece. I'm looking to buy a first gen Titan....for double precision...

 

[btarunr]

I can't mention how I know...but this card will not be faster than the Titan X. The GTX 980 ti will have less Ram and cost less (about $700) then the GTX titan X. Call me a lier if you want.... just remember you heard it here first.
So for those who bought the new titan feel good about your purchase. However this card will not be released until AMD gets closer to releasing their R9 390X card.

Something like MSI TF5-top or GBT WF3-450W will keep the GM200 well away from its 84C throttle, yielding more performance. Titan-X hits the thermal limit too often under heavy load, and NVIDIA restricts AICs from launching custom-design Titan_X (other than ones with factory-fitted water blocks (not AIO coolers)). Also GTX 990 factory-OC could make it faster than Titan-X. 6 GB vs. 12 GB doesn't matter. So yeah, anyone who's held off on a Titan-X purchase will buy the GTX 990, and have a great friday-night with the $350 saved.

Or if you're a nerd like me, you'd spend the $350 saved on choosing an X99 platform over a Z97 one, if you're building afresh.

 

[Vlada011]

It would be nice to NVIDIA launch GM200 with full CUDA only cheaper. But 6GB is nothing special.
Only someone who have more than 6-8GB can use cards 2-3 years. OK custom models are advantage, but now in some games GTX980 is on edge of limits.
If someone pay SLI he will stay without video memory with 20-30% GPU power unused. Because of that TITAN X is better investment than GTX980 SLI.
Even for 2 years TITAN X owners could play games with x2 AA or AA Off with 5-6-7GB memory usage if need.
From other side if game need 4.-4.2GB 100 fps will look as 20. Cards as TITAN X are always good and I would not think at all on some 6GB version only TITAN X is expensive. And price is special high for Europe.
I don't like only because last weeks every 2 days some new rumor or possible project from AMD show up on net and nothing from their card.
They can't move attention from TITAN X on that way, without R9-390X on table.

 

[RejZoR]

I personally bet on the card being slower or equal to the Titan X. A safe bet would place it midway between the X and the 980. Assuming the folks at Nvidia aren't idiots enough to think 12GB of memory is the only marketing point it takes to sell a card.

There's also the possibility that the 980Ti's GM200 be crippled in some aspect. Lower OC headroom, less/slower ROPs to limit performance at high resolutions (or so I believe the effect would be), etc, etc.



Tessellation wasn't useless. Misused most of the time, but not useless. Heck, if applications such as Unigine Heaven's were to become mainstream, that would've been cool!
Come to think of it, screw tessellation! Let every model be a high poly one! And while we are at it, let's path trace everything! Render at 4x native res! Physically simulate every hair strand! Infinite LoD!

Tessellation was meant as a more fluid replacement to multistage LOD. Instead they degenerated it entirely into something that always made performance horrible with hardly any visual benefits.

 

[ISI300]

Because Titan card are sign of stupidity - pay 1k$ and some months later for almost half of the price, we have faster card. I already feel bad about you. Before we had at least double precision .. now only more gigs but for what?

Can't tell if you're serious. With that logic, anybody who is willing to pay 1 mil for a Ferrari the Ferrari is stupid.
I would prefer the term money-enabled.
You can't blame people for having the money to spend on s**t they want to have, that's the rule of the land. And if I or you are unable to do the same calling out the people who can "stupid" is the most knee-jerk reaction you could possibly come up with.

 

[the54thvoid]

Bingo. Sometimes people are made fun of for a reason. You may see a halo product that everyone else wishes they had, but really what we see is some guy who fell for Nvidia's BS marketing.

I hope AMD pull through for you in Summer, I really do.

FTR, Titan X is the current halo product. I'm not willing to shell out for one, though I can quite easily afford to do so.

I'm holding off till June for AMD to destroy Nvidia. Then I'll buy their magical product. I'll even but it if its as much as the Titan.

But for now, Titan is the go to card and if you want to buy it, that's the buyers choice. If you want to keep crying about it and offend those that want to buy THE fastest single GPU on the planet, then you're obviously out of your little tech mind.
I think in your honour I'll upgrade to the next 1000 dollar Intel chip and sli Titans, just to hear you cry some more.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Tessellation was meant as a more fluid replacement to multistage LOD. Instead they degenerated it entirely into something that always made performance horrible with hardly any visual benefits.

Why? What's happened?

 

[R-T-B]

Can't tell if you're serious. With that logic, anybody who is willing to pay 1 mil for a Ferrari the Ferrari is stupid.
I would prefer the term money-enabled.
You can't blame people for having the money to spend on s**t they want to have, that's the rule of the land. And if I or you are unable to do the same calling out the people who can "stupid" is the most knee-jerk reaction you could possibly come up with.

My sentinments exactly. Well put...

...And I can't afford a Titan for the record.

Why? What's happened?

They sprayed it all over everything like they had a spray can with unlimited capacity, killing performance.

 

[BiggieShady]

The problem here is that they are cherry picking the best GM200 dies for the cheaper card ... more expensive card for professionals gets less overclock-able chips

 

[Vayra86]

People who whine about other people who spent money on a top-tier product really do suffer from a lack of vision above anything else.

These people do not realise that the top tier products are the ones that enable progress for future generations. Look at the Tesla S, for example. Marketed and sold as a top tier product, early adopters pay the investment for the future, including all the technological advances it brings in refueling/charging stations, infrastructure, etc. etc.

Similarly, Titan X has the price it has because it is the first iteration of a big chip, one that will suffer from lower yields especially early in its lifetime. The high price on Titan X pays for the fully enable GTX parts later down the line. And it has a healthy margin because it is a top tier product. Early adopters ALWAYS pay the highest price and always suffer the majority of problems. Their payoff is 'being first', nothing else. They get to pioneer new technological advances. The value of this is very personal.

Don't get me wrong, I always frown at paying 1k for a GPU, or buying a car at half the price of a house. But I have learned that 'I' am never the common denominator, nobody really is. Once you learn this you can look at products and prices normally and see how every price point / product niche has its market.

About GTX 980 ti / 990.... yeah. Been there done that, nothing new, 980ti will be faster than Titan X in actual gaming and still be cheaper, there is a difference in DP performance between Kepler and Maxwell, and none of it really matters to anyone. All these cards still have a market, simply because they are going to get kicked down the line in the future. GK110 still sells today for obvious reasons, hell even Titans sell today because, again, there is a niche for them still and the new generation has made them more affordable. One or two years from now we will have the exact same discussion with the exact same conclusion.

 

[ypsylon]

I was planning on getting 980 or 970 then decided to wait what AMD will show. It should be a cracker. I always was in the green camp (I hate red color ), but if new 3xx series is as good or better (both performance and power efficiency) I will defo consider a switch.

 

[Vayra86]

I was planning on getting 980 or 970 then decided to wait what AMD will show. It should be a cracker. I always was in the green camp (I hate red color ), but if new 3xx series is as good or better (both performance and power efficiency) I will defo consider a switch.

I can safely say to you: performance will be greater than Titan X, power efficiency will be worse than Titan X. Performance/watt might get close but AMD will still be slightly behind on that too. Pricing will be around the 800 dollar mark and drop quickly after we see a 980ti released at a similar price point.

In addition, the first couple of months of release the R9 390(x) will have broken drivers. After that all will be fine.

Mark my words.