NVIDIA Readying GM200-based GeForce GTX 980 Ti

[renz496]

What should a Titan X owner would feel after reading this...

nothing? AFAIK they should well aware what they getting at. even nvidia did not hide the fact that titan x will have weak DP during their official presentation at GDC 2015. and after what happen to the original titan and GTX780 i think most people buying titan x know what to expect.

 

[renz496]

Meh, GM series is all overpriced. I refuse to buy nVidia again until 04s are in the x60 models. Which won't happen this year. The only decent GM series is the 970 and nVidia botched that by cutting corners.

Think next GPU will be AMD. 460s have hit their limit with Star Citizen and I'm feeling the upgrade itch. Been a good run with nVidia tho. Probably the longest time I've been with either of them. Come on AMD, gimmie some good deals in June.

and probably not anytime soon. heck probably will never again if AMD did not step up their pace.

 

[Uplink10]

@Vayra86
Do not compare Tesla Motors to Nvidia. They want to change the world and do not want only money like Nvidia. You can be sure if Tesla Motors had the same market share like Nvidia in video card market they would not sell overpriced products as Nvidia does. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

@64K well, we have to see whether AIB vendors will use their popular cooling solutions for the 980 Ti not just to give more headroom, but also to ensure that thermal limits are not so easily reached under OCed mode. For the Titan X case, one of the few reasons why it throttled was the paint. Using black powder coat may give it a cool look, but at the same time it absorbs heat faster, so no surprise there when the card starts to lower it's clock speeds. Maybe a custom watercooler kit could be the only way to keep it cool as liquid-cooling VGA cards is becoming a trend in the PC modding scene. Anyways, I dun think we'll be seeing another dual GPU card real soon unless vendors like ASUS ROG did it again like their MARS VGA card for example.

 

[rtwjunkie]

@Uplink10: "Overpriced" is such a petty word that oozes with envy and resentment. Nvidia cards are not overpriced. They are priced to what people will pay for them. If they were truly overpriced, they would not be successful as a business model. If anything, you should be upset with the masses that are perfectly willing to pay Nvidia's prices.

 

[Ferrum Master]

@Uplink10: "Overpriced" is such a petty word that oozes with envy and resentment. Nvidia cards are not overpriced. They are priced to what people will pay for them. If they were truly overpriced, they would not be successful as a business model. If anything, you should be upset with the masses that are perfectly willing to pay Nvidia's prices.

The right thing to say is we are gaining too small for the dough we leave in GPU department... At last the 980ti is solid 2 times faster than a 7970... during the old days we were used to such boost every time we upgrade... there are 3 years past since the debut of Tahiti.

There is kind of empty unsatisfied feeling when taking more expensive card... and yet the gains are kind of... not worthy... For example like 7970 vs 290x was really... same 680 vs 780... OK Ti wasn't bad, but still it ain't a double. The tendency to make a second tier card as flagship for while is irritating.

 

[64K]

@Vayra86
Do not compare Tesla Motors to Nvidia. They want to change the world and do not want only money like Nvidia. You can be sure if Tesla Motors had the same market share like Nvidia in video card market they would not sell overpriced products as Nvidia does. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Have a look at this

Net Profit Margins

Intel +20.95%

Nvidia +13.47%

AMD -7.32%

AMD will be bankrupt if they continue the way they are. Yes, you enjoy getting GPUs from AMD for less money but do you see where that is taking AMD? Red is not just their trademark color, it's also the color of ink in their financial statements. They are in debt currently for the same amount as their Market Cap and are struggling to service their current debt and will only need to borrow more to continue.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

People who whine about other people who spent money on a top-tier product really do suffer from a lack of vision above anything else.

These people do not realise that the top tier products are the ones that enable progress for future generations. Look at the Tesla S, for example. Marketed and sold as a top tier product, early adopters pay the investment for the future, including all the technological advances it brings in refueling/charging stations, infrastructure, etc. etc.....................

This is painfully wrong and not fair.

Progress for future generations is allowed by all the money flowing through a company. The profit comes from all products, you are basically saying that the high volume mainstream products don't contribute at all or are not of so heavy importance. Which is basically wrong.

A company can drive its progress and in general progress even without profit at all. They just need to be at the zero point where their costs equal their incomes.
The huge amounts of profit are for the greedy to buy yachts, personal airplanes, to waste time and money on expensive unnecessary extras.

I do not know how that gave you all the thanks for nonsense.

@Uplink10: "Overpriced" is such a petty word that oozes with envy and resentment. Nvidia cards are not overpriced. They are priced to what people will pay for them. If they were truly overpriced, they would not be successful as a business model. If anything, you should be upset with the masses that are perfectly willing to pay Nvidia's prices.

Look, nvidia is practically or close to a market with monopoly or duopoly. People simply have NO CHOICE. Because they are hardcore fanboys and don't wanna hear about AMD.

In that caase, yes, nvidia's products are extremely overpriced and the business model is working because technically there is no alternative from elsewhere.

 

[rtwjunkie]

and obviously AMD's business model is not working. If they keep lowballing prices they will be out of business, as @64K pointed out. That's not good for anyone.

People still have a choice. They can always buy AMD, or choose not to buy the top-tier Nvidia products and buy mid-range. Bottom line is ANY well run business is about making a profit, and will always charge what people are willing to pay. If the day comes when people refuse to buy a $1,000 GPU come then Nvidia won't charge that much.

 

[15th Warlock]

All of your cards with Hynix memory? What about the ASIC quality of the chips?

Hynix:

The ASIC quality on mine is 72.3

 

[Sony Xperia S]

People still have a choice. They can always buy AMD, or choose not to buy the top-tier Nvidia products and buy mid-range.

That's an illusion for choice, not a real choice. My real choice to have a deal for 500$ for the TitanX. When the company doesn't deliver this and offer me an underperfoming product for this money, then the most natural thing is to be unhappy about that.

All is enforced by the governments and those who "lead the way" and if they don't give you Titan X for 1000$, they would prefer to throw it to the trash instead of giving it away at fair prices.

 

[rtwjunkie]

@Sony Xperia S: I've said it before, I wish you'd study economics. The definition of "fair price" is- "The price, as of a commodity or service, at which both buyers and sellers agree to do business.".

That condition exists now. If it didn't, Nvidia wouldn't make a profit.

 

[ensabrenoir]

The right thing to say is we are gaining too small for the dough we leave in GPU department... At last the 980ti is solid 2 times faster than a 7970... during the old days we were used to such boost every time we upgrade... there are 3 years past since the debut of Tahiti.

There is kind of empty unsatisfied feeling when taking more expensive card... and yet the gains are kind of... not worthy... For example like 7970 vs 290x was really... same 680 vs 780... OK Ti wasn't bad, but still it ain't a double. The tendency to make a second tier card as flagship for while is irritating.

While everything you said is true... both manufacturers aren't making gpus that are yearly upgrades of each other. Intel is doing the same thing. Those who buy yearly can because they can but they know they're getting <10% performance increase. Honestly there should only be new cpus and gpus every 2-3 years to justify the price/performance increase.

 

[Prima.Vera]

The question is, why to pay for an over expensive video card, if there are 0 quality games out there to require such investment?
The best game released this year, "Pillars of Eternity", can run even on a budget video card from 2 years ago with full details, while the graphics and gameplay is still splendid.
So again, why?

 

[the54thvoid]

The question is, why to pay for an over expensive video card, if there are 0 quality games out there to require such investment?
The best game released this year, "Pillars of Eternity", can run even on a budget video card from 2 years ago with full details, while the graphics and gameplay is still splendid.
So again, why?

Because The Witcher III

 

[ensabrenoir]

The question is, why to pay for an over expensive video card, if there are 0 quality games out there to require such investment?
The best game released this year, "Pillars of Eternity", can run even on a budget video card from 2 years ago with full details, while the graphics and gameplay is still splendid.
So again, why?

Human nature..... we jump out of airplanes, climb mountains and buy 500bhp cars with a top speed of 190mph to drive on roads with a 55mph speed limit. It doesn't make sense but its ok.....because we're human. The Titan is a prestige/ Halo product thats awesome but not cost effective. Just like a Rolex. You can get one for $30,000.00..... yes a wrist watch that cnt do anything other that tell time and sparkle...

 

[Sony Xperia S]

@Sony Xperia S: I've said it before, I wish you'd study economics. The definition of "fair price" is- "The price, as of a commodity or service, at which both buyers and sellers agree to do business.".

That condition exists now. If it didn't, Nvidia wouldn't make a profit.

Economics in general is a dirty area all by human "laws", or all artificial. Laws enforced by those who have the weapons.

There are businesses, and of course you would not mention them, in which the buyer sets the rules and the seller is always on the losing side. And they have no choice because they will lose the business once and for all.

Try, for instance with automotive industry suppliers and automotive manufacturers.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I mention nothing except the accepted principles of economics. If, as in your example the seller is always on the losing side, it's still the fair price, because that is what both sides agree to conduct the transaction at. Your ignorance of economics is apparently limitless.

 

[the54thvoid]

Human nature..... we jump out of airplanes, climb mountains and buy 500bhp cars with a top speed of 190mph to drive on roads with a 55mph speed limit. It doesn't make sense but its ok.....because we're human. The Titan is a prestige/ Halo product thats awesome but not cost effective. Just like a Rolex. You can get one for $30,000.00..... yes a wrist watch that cnt do anything other that tell time and sparkle...

Almost exactly. Except a Rolex wrist watch does not tell time better than a quartz digital watch. In fact the only relative analogy really is the CPU equivalent, the 5960 versus 5930. One is marginally better (or greatly better for massively threaded ops) but for other purposes, they are both very much indistinguishable. Titan to 980 is very similar but less so. However, the fps jump at 4k (in BF4 for example) is 29.1-38.8 (33% improvement - or comparing to 290X, a 53% increase). Arguably the increase in fps doesn't match the price increase but it's still what you need to pay for the pleasure.

I mention nothing except the accepted principles of economics. If, as in your example the seller is always on the losing side, it's still the fair price, because that is what both sides agree to conduct the transaction at. Your ignorance of economics is apparently limitless.

lol, I'm assuming you're replying to someone whose posts I can't see anymore

 

[Sony Xperia S]

I mention nothing except the accepted principles of economics. If, as in your example the seller is always on the losing side, it's still the fair price, because that is what both sides agree to conduct the transaction at. Your ignorance of economics is apparently limitless.

So because they agree, it means that they are both happy and it's fair?!

Oki.

 

[64K]

The right thing to say is we are gaining too small for the dough we leave in GPU department... At last the 980ti is solid 2 times faster than a 7970... during the old days we were used to such boost every time we upgrade... there are 3 years past since the debut of Tahiti.

There is kind of empty unsatisfied feeling when taking more expensive card... and yet the gains are kind of... not worthy... For example like 7970 vs 290x was really... same 680 vs 780... OK Ti wasn't bad, but still it ain't a double. The tendency to make a second tier card as flagship for while is irritating.

We are not seeing an upgrade in performance that we have become accustomed to from a new generation but Nvidia is not to blame for that. TSMC is to blame for fumbling the 20nm process which Maxwell was supposed to be on. The greater efficiency would have allowed for more performance for the same watts.

The bottom line is that it cost just as much in engineering, research, staff, facilities, cost of manufacturing GPU, supplying board partners with GPUs etc to bring us the Keplers as it did to bring us the Maxwells and that is why Nvidia is charging the same price for the Maxwells even though they are not as large of a performance increase as we are used to generation over generation.

 

[GhostRyder]

Well, I'm surprised we are already hearing anything rumor or not about the fabled GTX 980ti (or GTX 990?). Seems like that was a quick run over all for Titan X but then again people this is all just rumors for the most part and not an actual release. They are probably waiting at least a month or so before releasing (most likely coinciding with R9 390X) unless they want to immediately butcher Titan X sales which is doubtful since Nvidia is smarter than that (I bet I know quite a few people who would return Titan X almost immediately is the release was close at hand).

I hope they choose the GTX 990 name over 980ti personally as they need to spread the two GPUs further apart in my opinion.

Also, anyone saying Titan X is more for the professional world and not marketed for gaming needs to read the box.

It's only major professional aspect is the ram which is good for people who do rendering for instance. (Not saying a box label is the only metric but it does point the card more one direction)

 

[BiggieShady]

People are dissing Titan X for not having specific double precision cores and the double precision is so rarely used that it makes perfect sense not to add DP cores keeping homogeneous architecture and simpler scheduling that made Maxwell architecture so efficient (since they've pushed the power envelope and they are cleverly keeping Titan Z at its price for its DP capabilities).
They realized most of the compute is done in video content creation, where billions of frames need to be rendered to finish the movie, these studios are always looking to have faster iteration of their production process.

 

[R-T-B]

So because they agree, it means that they are both happy and it's fair?!

Oki.

Uh... yeah? That's kind what agreement means.

You act like NVIDIA is running into peoples houses, grabbing their wads of cash while they sleep and leaving Titan X's under their pillows.

 

[64K]

Uh... yeah? That's kind what agreement means.

You act like NVIDIA is running into peoples houses, grabbing their wads of cash while they sleep and leaving Titan X's under their pillows.

lol Don't get Sony Xperia wound up or we will have a lecture about how businesses are evil because they want money and how Jesus ran the merchants out.