NVIDIA Readying GM200-based GeForce GTX 980 Ti

[nolafotoknut]

There are businesses, and of course you would not mention them, in which the buyer sets the rules and the seller is always on the losing side. And they have no choice because they will lose the business once and for all.

There is no business in business to not make money unless it's a non profit organization! Fair market value is what a buyer is willing to pay and the seller is willing to sell! Sellers know their bottom line on what they need to make money. As for your example, the automotive industry, the MSRP is the manufacturers suggested retail price, dealerships may sell below this price; however, they will still make money in the end.

 

[BorisDG]

Hynix:

The ASIC quality on mine is 72.3

PCI-E 2.0 wut?

 

[nolafotoknut]

So because they agree, it means that they are both happy and it's fair?!

Then Nvidia is fair!

 

[the54thvoid]

lol Don't get Sony Xperia wound up or we will have a lecture about how businesses are evil because they want money and how Jesus ran the merchants out.

 

[Vayra86]

@Vayra86
Do not compare Tesla Motors to Nvidia. They want to change the world and do not want only money like Nvidia. You can be sure if Tesla Motors had the same market share like Nvidia in video card market they would not sell overpriced products as Nvidia does. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Do you have ANY idea how naive that sounds?

Some years back people said this very same thing about 'do no evil' Google.
Elon Musk is a businessman. Businessmen want to make money, and they also know that premium product lines have the highest margins. It really is that simple. The fact that you can't see through his business strategy and that he touts it as a 'do no evil' strategy, only says something about your insight and how effective his strategy really is.

He is pushing electric driving on all fronts because he KNOWS he will sell more Tesla's in the long run if they are supported by a strong ecosystem.

Wake up.

@Sony Experia S: I am not even going into this cesspit of disaster with you. It is pointless. Flagships are the cards that sell a company and the rest of its product lines. The effect is an indirect sale, not necessarily selling all those flagship products themselves. Economics.

 

[15th Warlock]

PCI-E 2.0 wut?

If you click the link in my Sig you can see I was testing my card on my X79 as there's no point in tearing my X99 water loop apart until my new EK blocks arrive.

Satisfied now?

Because The Witcher III

You took the words right out of my mouth man!

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Flagships are the cards that sell a company and the rest of its product lines.

Wrong. And you will think more deeply to say why.

Economics.

Bullcrap.

 

[arbiter]

If 390x has performance of 980TI would i would expect both would be about neck and neck. Issue for AMD is they have been playing catch up last many years on top of trying to look like good on pricing side, they have priced themself into where they are. If 390x performance is around were 980ti is, being 28nm part as well, going by history i would expect 350 to maybe as much as 400watt part to keep pace, So they end up might having to underclock it to get power down. Don't think DX12 even though AMD loves idea to help their cpu's could in end up being double edge sword for AMD as it will mean increased power draw as cpu will run more near max. That could be something to compare similar cpu class and gpu amd rig vs intel/nvidia

 

[BorisDG]

If you click the link in my Sig you can see I was testing my card on my X79

Weird. Mine works on PCI-E 3.0 also X79.

 

[the54thvoid]

Off topic but related to the competition:


http://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37373-amd-fiji-has-two-gpus

Tag as rumour from unreliable source but as a discussion point it makes a heck of a lot of sense.

Started thread for frenzied discussion.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/is-fiji-xt-a-dual-gpu.211101/

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Yeah, sure

Wondering why AMD would need to launch a dual_GPU card slower than Vesuvius....

 

[15th Warlock]

Weird. Mine works on PCI-E 3.0 also X79.

It does if you add a registry patch to force gen 3 PCIe on X79, as it is not officially supported by Nvidia for that particular chip set.

I've done it in the past, when I had quad SLI 680s, but for two cards I didn't notice any performance difference, so I haven't bothered to apply the patch in a long time, not since last I formated this rig, at least.

 

[lilunxm12]

It does if you add a registry patch to force gen 3 PCIe on X79, as it is not officially supported by Nvidia for that particular chip set.

I've done it in the past, when I had quad SLI 680s, but for two cards I didn't notice any performance difference, so I haven't bothered to apply the patch in a long time, not since last I formated this rig, at least.

My 4930k rig shows 3.0 without any modification.
It should be an issue tied to snb-e not x79. AFAIK, snb-e is capable to achieve 8GT/s howerver it's not officially certified so NVIDIA chooses to disable pcie 3.0 on snb-e systems.

 

[Uplink10]

The question is, why to pay for an over expensive video card, if there are 0 quality games out there to require such investment?
The best game released this year, "Pillars of Eternity", can run even on a budget video card from 2 years ago with full details, while the graphics and gameplay is still splendid.
So again, why?

This. You are absolutely right. DX12 would enable use to ran new and old video games on older hardware but the publishers probably won`t urge developers to make remastered old games (Crysis series,Skyrim, COD series,...) with DX12. Right now buying new graphic cards is pointless, wait till 2016 to see what publishers and developers decide and on new AMD CPUs.

Because The Witcher III

While Wither 3 is a great game, developers decided not to update it to DX12 which is a disappointment.

Elon Musk is a businessman. Businessmen want to make money, and they also know that premium product lines have the highest margins.

Elon Musk is not your tipical billionare, if he was he would not do that:
http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/9618/tesla-opens-car-design-patents.html
He want`s all people to use the electric cars and that is why he is supporting this kind of action.

 

[15th Warlock]

My 4930k rig shows 3.0 without any modification.
It should be an issue tied to snb-e not x79. AFAIK, snb-e is capable to achieve 8GT/s howerver it's not officially certified so NVIDIA chooses to disable pcie 3.0 on snb-e systems.

Yes, you're absolutely right, it is a limitation of Sandy Bridge E processors, on the X79 platform. Ivy Bridge doesn't have that problem.

PCIe 3.0 can in fact be used for SB-E when using the registry patch I mentioned.

Just haven't got around double clicking and adding the patch to my registry, is it really that big of an issue?

 

[hemm]

Well, I'm surprised we are already hearing anything rumor or not about the fabled GTX 980ti (or GTX 990?). Seems like that was a quick run over all for Titan X but then again people this is all just rumors for the most part and not an actual release. They are probably waiting at least a month or so before releasing (most likely coinciding with R9 390X) unless they want to immediately butcher Titan X sales which is doubtful since Nvidia is smarter than that (I bet I know quite a few people who would return Titan X almost immediately is the release was close at hand).

I hope they choose the GTX 990 name over 980ti personally as they need to spread the two GPUs further apart in my opinion.

Also, anyone saying Titan X is more for the professional world and not marketed for gaming needs to read the box.

It's only major professional aspect is the ram which is good for people who do rendering for instance. (Not saying a box label is the only metric but it does point the card more one direction)

990Ti is more likely for a 3072sp chip,leave 990 for the 2560sp one.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Human nature..... we jump out of airplanes, climb mountains and buy 500bhp cars with a top speed of 190mph to drive on roads with a 55mph speed limit. It doesn't make sense but its ok.....because we're human. The Titan is a prestige/ Halo product thats awesome but not cost effective. Just like a Rolex. You can get one for $30,000.00..... yes a wrist watch that cnt do anything other that tell time and sparkle...

While I can agree with this, however there are some slight differences. For example I buy a sport car not only for the engine power, but also for the looks, engine sound, etc. With the video card, I just stick it inside the case and done. Nobody will know what is it or how it looks like . Same for the watch, I only pay 30K for the looks not for the functionality.
We cannot say the same about a boring video card used exclusively only for its GPU.

 

[N3M3515]

Whoever said that amd is doing bad because they sell cheaper than nvidia is dead wrong.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Whoever said that amd is doing bad because they sell cheaper than nvidia is dead wrong.

Actually, no one said that. Those of us that follow businesses and economics know there are multiple bad business decisions that put them in the hole.

However, money continues to pour out of the company like water from a pipe. In order to stop bleeding money they have tried layoffs, firings, and cut way back on R&D. The only thing left to them is to charge what their cards are worth. Yet they don't. What do they do? They slash prices. All that does is increase sales for the short run, and cut profits even further in the long run. AMD still is paying on the acquisition of ATI I believe. Since they can't even pay that off, they keep refinancing. They won't be able to do that much longer. They need to be selling their cards at a higher price point, because short of being bought by another corporation, or making a higher profit from an increased GPU price point, they will slide further and further into the red.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Do you have ANY idea how naive that sounds?

Some years back people said this very same thing about 'do no evil' Google.
Elon Musk is a businessman. Businessmen want to make money, and they also know that premium product lines have the highest margins. It really is that simple. The fact that you can't see through his business strategy and that he touts it as a 'do no evil' strategy, only says something about your insight and how effective his strategy really is.

He is pushing electric driving on all fronts because he KNOWS he will sell more Tesla's in the long run if they are supported by a strong ecosystem.

Wake up.

@Sony Experia S: I am not even going into this cesspit of disaster with you. It is pointless. Flagships are the cards that sell a company and the rest of its product lines. The effect is an indirect sale, not necessarily selling all those flagship products themselves. Economics.

There is one difference. No one else will use their own money to fund their ventures LOL. He at least has the balls to drop 2 billion b/c he believes in it. No one at Nvidia, even if they were a billionaire, believes in it. They are there to cash in and nothing more.

 

[qubit]

Actually, no one said that. Those of us that follow businesses and economics know there are multiple bad business decisions that put them in the hole.

However, money continues to pour out of the company like water from a pipe. In order to stop bleeding money they have tried layoffs, firings, and cut way back on R&D. The only thing left to them is to charge what their cards are worth. Yet they don't. What do they do? They slash prices. All that does is increase sales for the short run, and cut profits even further in the long run. AMD still is paying on the acquisition of ATI I believe. Since they can't even pay that off, they keep refinancing. They won't be able to do that much longer. They need to be selling their cards at a higher price point, because short of being bought by another corporation, or making a higher profit from an increased GPU price point, they will slide further and further into the red.

They still haven't paid for ATI? WTF?! AMD sounds like a basket case.

I didn't know they were haemorrhaging money that badly. How did they manage to survive until now? No wonder Samsung is looking to buy them (rumoured). They really need some better top management that will let their engineers breath and design the products they want to without annoying penny-pinching which hurts performance and sales. Two examples are those useless stock coolers that cause the cards to throttle and make noise, plus the stupid siamesed shared resource module design of their CPUs since Bulldozer which slows them down.

 

[Ebo]

Ive just finished reading all 144 comment, uha it took some time.

Titan X is a primium card, so the price is fair since people are willing to pay it. I dosent really matter if GFX 980TI or GFX 990(whatever name its going to get) is faster, spends less power, its about having the best of the best for the time being.

If R9 390X is going to be that beast, everybody expects(myself included) and can deliver grafics on par or even better than Titan X, then the price dosent really matter to me.
It would be very nice if the price could be down just about the 700 dollar mark, but even if it costs 800, for me that dosent matter if the preformance is there.

The way I read it, is some people have commented that the price is too high for top tier cards, thats wrong in my book.
They want top preformance but dosent want to pay the price it costs, well to me thats their problem.

That being said, I get a bit offended by them, because Im cabable and willing to pay the money for a top product, IF price/preformance makes sense to me.

Envy is an ugly feeling, so if you cant or you wont pay the price, you have to settle for something less, simple as that, still that dosent give you the right to tell other people who can pay a 1000 dollars for a GFX, that they have done something wrong, they can still spend their money the way the want, who are you to judge.

 

[RejZoR]

While I can agree with this, however there are some slight differences. For example I buy a sport car not only for the engine power, but also for the looks, engine sound, etc. With the video card, I just stick it inside the case and done. Nobody will know what is it or how it looks like . Same for the watch, I only pay 30K for the looks not for the functionality.
We cannot say the same about a boring video card used exclusively only for its GPU.

If you buy high end graphic cards just to brag around, you're doing it wrong. I buy new graphic cards because a certain technology interests me and because they deliver the performance I need. Especially if it's a tech that doesn't require special coding for it to function. Like EQAA, MLAA, FXAA, DSR/VSR, stuff that works everywhere, even in older games. Don't really care much about proprietary stuff where it takes several years before anyone even decides to use it and you never get the chance to experience it in games that have already been released.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

I buy new graphic cards because

I buy a new graphics card when I see that the deal is excellent for me and if there are heavy promotions.

For example - the Radeon HD 4890 when it was the top dog for only ~195$.

A card for 1000$ (or even 550$ for that matter) will never be a go even if it could do blow jobs....

 

[RejZoR]

I disagree. There are people who actually need such setups. For example, TotalBiscuit has dual GTX 980. But he does gaming reviews pretty much for a living. It's similar as buying expensive excavators, because you know you'll make money with them and they'll be reliable. Or if you're a businessman who spends half of his life on road, you naturally buy a higher end car for better comfort and safety. But you don't need excavator if you just want to do something tiny in your garden or buy a 100k saloon for a job that is 4 kilometers from your home...