AMD Pro A12 "Carrizo" Chip Offers TDP as Low as 12W

[Dent1]

Just FYI, this is not my text you've quoted. I never said that line...

Yes sorry about that. Edited

They perform like hyperthreading which is what the point of my post was

Fair enough. I do believe AMD intention was to have a alternative to hyper threading. In the original AMD press release documents even said that. Then they started to back track from this statement and started going down this real core.

Marketing wise they would have faired a lot better if they marketed their FX4xxx as dual cores and FX 8xxx as a quad core with a "physical hyper threading" feature and they would have directly competed with the i3 and i5 line up.

Then they should have release a 16 core and marketed it as a 8 core with "physical hyper treading" to compete with the i7.

Had AMD did this it would have rescued the module architecture and would have outperformed its Intel equivalent. The only downside would be the high TDP but that would be forgiven by the enthusiasts if the performance was there.

 

[cdawall]

Fair enough. I do believe AMD intention was to have a alternative to hyper threading. In the original AMD press release documents even said that. Then they started to back track from this statement and started going down this real core gimmick.

Marketing wise they would have faired a lot better if they marketed their FX4xxx as dual cores and FX 8xxx as quad cores.

They did mention hyperthreading a lot and I agree. I have actually been looking at these A12's and I hope someone other than HP will release something using them. Preferably at 35w or in a chassis that could handle the 35w and attach a graphics card in there as well. In a 15" chassis with a 2k screen. Is that to much to ask?

 

[HumanSmoke]

At 15w I see it outperforming the 5200u by 50-100% ...thanks for the links!

Don't know about that, but real world testing doesn't seem to indicate that. With actual shipping products Geekbench has the 5200U pretty much on par with the top AMD FX-8800P part

 

[Uplink10]

I'm hugely unimpressed. A core M-5y10 sits at a 4.5w TDP and will likely outperform this in everything but GPU performance and even then who is going to notice in the ultrabook market where the AMD chip will be throttling anyway.

Core M processors are not worth buying because OEMs lock the frequencies and until you buy the exact laptop model you do not know to what frequnecy OEM has locked the CPU.

As far as I am concerned I will consider the base frequnecy performance as final because I do not know to which frequency it was locked to but base frequency performance is guaranteed.

 

[ValenOne]

Don't know about that, but real world testing doesn't seem to indicate that. With actual shipping products Geekbench has the 5200U pretty much on par with the top AMD FX-8800P part

Geekbench is useless for graphics/gaming performance.

HP elitebook 755 G3 A12-8800B based. There are also several HP's that feature the FX-8800P, which is the performance variant (not business class CPU). It will not perform like the CPU you posted at 12w. Reviews already indicate that. It performs somewhere an i3 and i5 at that wattage, which happens to be similar to the Core M. Call it what you will, but underwhelming is what I call it.

Oh and since you can't apparently search.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-FX-8800P-Notebook-Processor-Specifications-and-Benchmarks.144074.0.html
http://laptoping.com/cpus/product/amd-fx-8800p/

Look into it a little harder and find the review of the HP running the CPU. I want you to find that for yourself. I would read it after a couple of beers because when forced into a 15w TDP envelope it gets is ass handed to it by the core M. Call it performance or call it junk either way at 12w it is underwhelming.

What's Core-M's DX12 IGP performance relative to FX-8800p's DX12 IGP at 15w?

FX-8800p beats Intel Core i5-5200U in gaming/graphics.


http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMD-Carrizo-APU_Gaming-Performance.png
15 watts FX-8800p (score of ~2000 points) vs 35 watts FX-8800p in 3DMarks 11.



http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10071051
Intel HD Graphics 5300 Mobile IGP and Intel Core M-5Y10c Processor in 3DMarks 11 with P807 score.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Geekbench is useless for graphics/gaming performance.

Considering the previous posts that mine were part of were aimed squarely at pro laptops - since the only Carrizo laptops actually listed are HP Elitebooks, I would have thought it was obvious I wasn't talking about a gaming system

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMD-Carrizo-APU_Gaming-Performance.png
15 watts FX-8800p (score of ~2000 points) vs 35 watts FX-8800p in 3DMarks 11.

AMD says AMD processor is better in an AMD marketing slide.....I'm shocked!!!

 

[Dent1]

Geekbench is useless for graphics/gaming performance.


What's Core-M's DX12 IGP performance relative to FX-8800p's DX12 IGP at 15w?

FX-8800p beats Intel Core i5-5200U in gaming/graphics.


http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMD-Carrizo-APU_Gaming-Performance.png
15 watts FX-8800p (score of ~2000 points) vs 35 watts FX-8800p in 3DMarks 11.



http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10071051
Intel HD Graphics 5300 Mobile IGP and Intel Core M-5Y10c Processor in 3DMarks 11 with P807 score.

That is AMD marketing slides. You see the BIG AMD logo in the corner. Of course they are going to say their product is the best.

 

[ValenOne]

That is AMD marketing slides. You see the BIG AMD logo in the corner. Of course they are going to say their product is the best.

It's mostly IGP benchmark test that can be replicated. LOL.

Considering the previous posts that mine were part of were aimed squarely at pro laptops - since the only Carrizo laptops actually listed are HP Elitebooks, I would have thought it was obvious I wasn't talking about a gaming system

AMD says AMD processor is better in an AMD marketing slide.....I'm shocked!!!

Toshiba Radius 14 has FX-8800p SoC.

It's mostly IGP benchmark test that can be replicated. LOL.

My desktop Intel Haswells has IGP LOL.


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5955215
P2216 score with Intel HD Graphics 4000 Mobile(1x) and Intel Core i7-3635QM.

 

[GoldenX]

That sad moment when your discrete card has the same number of shaders as a mobile APU...

 

[ValenOne]

That sad moment when your discrete card has the same number of shaders as a mobile APU...

The problem with that statement is graphics processor has clock speed and it needs plenty of memory read/writes to operate.

Also, you are forgetting
1. FX-8800p's 8 CU IGP would be a good solution to crossfire with 8 or 10 CU GPU. Surface Book form factor would be nice and AMD has problems with 2-in-1 form factors. AMD doesn't have a solution with 13 inch tablet with 15 watt APU/SoC and docking keyboard case's GPU. MS Surface Book with NVIDIA GPU would be a candidate for my next 2-in-1 tablet/laptop.

2. My 8870M is from year 2013 and has been overclock to 850Mhz via MSI Afterburner tool, hence beating year 2015 MacBook Pro's Radeon R9 M370X's 10 CU at 800Mhz.

 

[cdawall]

The CPU performs like shit in a 15w TDP. I wouldn't want it in a surface.

Honestly way off topic, but if AMD wants to gain momentum in the CPU market all they need to do is start stuffing AMD stickers on the wii u, xbox one and PS4. People need the brand recognition and those are all components that work and work well.

 

[alucasa]

As someone who has a big collection of laptops due to needing one at work and having to replace it every 3 ~ 4 years, what matters in a business laptop is single thread performance. GPU doesn't matter. All it needs is a good 2 core cpu with SSD along with 1080p. Some other goodies to have would be a secondary drive bay, easy access to internals so that I can get dust out and strong lid hinge.

In my case, lid hinge is usually the first to go (break down, I mean).

 

[suraswami]

The CPU performs like shit in a 15w TDP. I wouldn't want it in a surface.

Honestly way off topic, but if AMD wants to gain momentum in the CPU market all they need to do is start stuffing AMD stickers on the wii u, xbox one and PS4. People need the brand recognition and those are all components that work and work well.

Then they might stop buying them too

 

[GoldenX]

The problem with that statement is graphics processor has clock speed and it needs plenty of memory read/writes to operate.

Also, you are forgetting
1. FX-8800p's 8 CU IGP would be a good solution to crossfire with 8 or 10 CU GPU. Surface Book form factor would be nice and AMD has problems with 2-in-1 form factors. AMD doesn't have a solution with 13 inch tablet with 15 watt APU/SoC and docking keyboard case's GPU. MS Surface Book with NVIDIA GPU would be a candidate for my next 2-in-1 tablet/laptop.

2. My 8870M is from year 2013 and has been overclock to 850Mhz via MSI Afterburner tool, hence beating year 2015 MacBook Pro's Radeon R9 M370X's 10 CU at 800Mhz.

I was refering to my HD7750, but yeah, SPs are only one part of the equation.
I wonder what is the "standard" CPU frequency.

 

[cdawall]

Then they might stop buying them too

Doubtful they are sheeple. Sheeple do what the voice box tells them, if the voice box says buy xbox they buy xbox