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AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs

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We sell USB 3.0 drives and even when you explain to them that if you have a huge USB drive, speeds become very important, especially if you plan to copy large amounts of data at once. And response from people is mostly "just give me the cheapest one". Go figure.

One thing I've noticed is, a lot of people mostly consider a single parameter (in our example, price) when purchasing something: how much RAM a videocard has, how many GB an HDD can hold, etc.

That leads me to think most people will go for the cheaper motherboards regardless of the speed difference. After all, there's no fruit logo or lowercase 'b' on said motherboard, so the price premium is hardly justified in their eyes.
 
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Well i think we have more important matters to look for, like CPU performance and overclocking, just gotta wait for the launch.

Waiting eagerly :p
 
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One thing I've noticed is, a lot of people mostly consider a single parameter (in our example, price) when purchasing something: how much RAM a videocard has, how many GB an HDD can hold, etc.

That leads me to think most people will go for the cheaper motherboards regardless of the speed difference. After all, there's no fruit logo or lowercase 'b' on said motherboard, so the price premium is hardly justified in their eyes.

And to be honest, most of such people wouldn't even ever notice there are USB 3.1 issues to begin with if they haven't announced it. I mean, if majority sticks USB 2.0 in these slots and cheapest USB 3.0 drives, it wouldn't even matter if the given ports peak actual USB 3.1 rate or not.
 
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AMD has never even been an option for me, mostly because of their lack of support for the latest port speeds (power-hungry, hot-running, and slow also lacks appeal). So get it right, AMD, or continue to be the "poor man's option", with a rapidly dwindling customer base. Zen might be your last chance to avoid bankruptcy...

That funny cause AMD holds the CPU world record, I'm sure you know as you called them slow n such..............
http://hwbot.org/submission/2615355_the_stilt_cpu_frequency_fx_8370_8722.78_mhz

8732Mhz yeah really ass slow! LOLZ!
 

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go to cpuz validation, 8350 holds record.

Im just glad mine hit 5.1GHz on air stable.
 

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That's like comparing a 4 cylinder engine at 10k rpm to an 8 cylinder engine at 6k rpm. Nevermind the other details, the 4 cylinder runs higher rpm so it must be faster...
It could. That depends on displacement (if you don't factor in how well the engine breathes as over-square engines can tend to be revved higher more safely and effectively.) Just remember that horsepower is torque multiplied by RPM over a constant, so power scales proportionally to RPM. So if you have a 2.5L 4 banger and a 4L V8, the 2.5L 4 banger could actually possibly produce more power at 10k RPMs than a V8 4.0L at 6k RPMs. For power to be equal, the V8 would need to be about 4.16L or the RPM would need to be raised.

Either way, I get your point but, cars tend to be a terrible example for this particular kind of problem. Circuits are not air-breathing engines. :p
 
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It could. That depends on displacement (if you don't factor in how well the engine breathes as over-square engines can tend to be revved higher more safely and effectively.) Just remember that horsepower is torque multiplied by RPM over a constant, so power scales proportionally to RPM. So if you have a 2.5L 4 banger and a 4L V8, the 2.5L 4 banger could actually possibly produce more power at 10k RPMs than a V8 4.0L at 6k RPMs. For power to be equal, the V8 would need to be about 4.16L or the RPM would need to be raised.

Either way, I get your point but, cars tend to be a terrible example for this particular kind of problem. Circuits are not air-breathing engines. :p

Yeah... I'd rather say something along the lines of: "That's like saying a Pentium 4 is fast 'cause it reaches high frequencies."
 
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