NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Surfaces in Hong Kong Market

[ensabrenoir]

AMD wanted to disrupt the market................

What did they think was gonna happen next.......

 

[natr0n]

I like how this "leaks"right before a new AMD card release.
It's almost comical.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Spoiler

......what dose this even mean?

 

[Casecutter]

heatsink fins, like the 1070 and 1080 FE editions.

Those heat-sinks are not the same designs. They went with a lower design on the 1070.


Here's a picture of a card, the day before the RX 480 release. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!
Oh wow, Nvidia has a card perhaps don't by a 1070 for 1080p, now you can all go into a hold pattern. It's Kepler all over again! what the GK106 was what 6 months behind...

We have nothing here... we have perhaps a mock-up PCB and cooler shroud? When is to release? What chip is it? How in world doesn't this mean anything, other than we're coming (perhaps that should have a U in it).
Is it me or is this appear to reek of a desperate Nvidia marketing stunt!

Listen to the people making claims changing decisions of what they might purchase. If this is a further gelded GP104, hum I don't think we should be too ecstatic. If it's a GP106 working from the pervious releases' within that segment I'm not so concerned.

Maintain course, steady as see goes, report change in sea and wind...

 

[xorbe]

Looking at how nvidia has jacked up prices for GTX 10XX series so far, expecting these cards to cost around 250$.

The 4GB 960 already started life at $249-$279. I kinda expect these to be $279-$319. The cooler is possibly a hint that pricing is changing here. (For example, today's reviewed 1070 is $439.)

In the future, all reviews should use nVidia's upper msrp price not the lower one. Because we see how this is shaking out.

 

[ppn]

If this is 199$, then 1070 should be 300-350$

 

[R00kie]

Damn, this looks nice(mind if I say this looks better than the 1080 ), but I think the top is just plastic with some aluminium accents around.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Here is something to keep you busy.

https://m.imgur.com/a/zgHr7

Yes, in CrossFire the RX 480 is way faster, but we all know about these half assed Console Ports nowdays. It's always a gamble wether it works or not.

OTOH, the games that typically need multiple GPUS to keep high frame rates, like PC exclusives, or games like wither 3 or battlefield, tend to have great dual GPU support. Running most poor console ports over 60FPS is typically useless anyway, since those games typically dont like to run over 60 (see fallout 4). Not saying fallout 4 was bad, just that their ports were.....less then quality.

 

[refillable]

1060 should be interesting... What's up with these "RIP 480" Bull? We don't even have official benchmarks for 480, let alone 1060. Saying "1060 is definitely going to be a bit faster than 480" is definitely a conjecture, let alone "RIP 480", which is insulting and stupid. Why do you guys have to be like this? Stop this, please.

 

[medi01]

1070/1080 spoiled 480 launch a bit, as "199$ that is close to 980 perf" doesn't sound as cool as it would before their release.

However, now that 480 is out, it's hard to imagine what 1060 could do to be more than mildly interesting.

What did they think was gonna happen next.......

Enlighten us, what is gonna happen next?

......what dose this even mean?

In Warcraft 3 game (real time strategy) there were superweak gnomes on helicopters.
They were perceived to be so bad, people called them "ROFLcopters".

 

[64K]

1060 should be interesting... What's up with these "RIP 480" Bull? We don't even have official benchmarks for 480, let alone 1060. Saying "1060 is definitely going to be a bit faster than 480" is definitely a conjecture, let alone "RIP 480", which is insulting and stupid. Why do you guys have to be like this? Stop this, please.

People sometimes avoid expecting good things so that they can't be disappointed. I expect the 480 is going to be a good performer. We'll see soon. I think I saw the NDA lifts tomorrow so we will probably see a detailed review here tomorrow.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I expect a similar jump in performance like the 1080 over 980, that is around 65% so the 1060 will probably be at the 980/ RX480 level. I don't think the 480 will stay too much alone at its price/performance level.

 

[medi01]

I expect a similar jump in performance like the 1080 over 980,

Why is 500€ card being compared to 789€ card?
It's real "base" price tier is 980Ti. And there, it's 20-30% perf jump, not 65%.

 

[R00kie]

Why is 500€ card being compared to 789€ card?
It's real "base" price tier is 980Ti. And there, it's 20-30% perf jump, not 65%.

Because that is what it needs to be compared to. 1080 replaced 980, not a 980 Ti.

 

[medi01]

Because that is what it needs to be compared to. 1080 replaced 980, not a 980 Ti.

In what way did 789€ 1080 "replace" 499€ 980?
Do people that normally buy 500€ card now suddenly pay 800€?

Does it perhaps have to be a card that ends with 80?
If so, wouldn't it be cheaper to replace it with 280/380/480?

 

[R00kie]

In what way did 789€ 1080 "replace" 499€ 980?
Does it have to be a card that ends with 80?
Can 380 replace 980?

It has always been like this, have you been living under a rock or something?
580 replaced 480, 680 replaced 580, 780 replaced 680, and so on. These are the generational leaps we've been talking about.
It doesn't matter what the price is, it has been increasing exponentially these past years anyways.

 

[medi01]

It has always been like this

I'm pretty sure it's the first time I see 789€ is claimed to "replace" 499€ card.
Or that "price doesn't matter".

Or that you have very vague idea what "exponentially" means.

And before someone brings in "oh, but newer process is expensive", let me remind you, that 480 is 199$ as was 380, which, uh oh, doh, happened to be faster than 960..

nvidia hardly ever had competitive low end, why would anyone think it would be different with 1060?

 

[ensabrenoir]

Enlighten us, what is gonna happen next?

The competition is going to respond with something to undercut Amd's power move. Thanks never did the warcraft thing.

 

[R00kie]

I'm pretty sure it's the first time I see 789€ is claimed to "replace" 499€ card.
Or that "price doesn't matter".

Or that you have very vague idea what "exponentially" means.

And before someone brings in "oh, but newer process is expensive", let me remind you, that 480 is 199$ as was 380, which, uh oh, doh, happened to be faster than 960..

nvidia hardly ever had competitive low end, why would anyone think it would be different with 1060?

It was always logical of Nvidia to compare x80 cards to each other as it looked better on paper this way. The price gouging is due to lack of competition. I'm pretty sure that as soon as AMD brings something to the table, the prices are gonna go down.

 

[sergionography]

I'm pretty sure it's the first time I see 789€ is claimed to "replace" 499€ card.
Or that "price doesn't matter".

Or that you have very vague idea what "exponentially" means.

And before someone brings in "oh, but newer process is expensive", let me remind you, that 480 is 199$ as was 380, which, uh oh, doh, happened to be faster than 960..

nvidia hardly ever had competitive low end, why would anyone think it would be different with 1060?

When hd7970 was released before nvidias kepler, it was priced at 550usd which matched gtx580 prices at the time but offered a good 30-50% better performance, but the reality was that the previous gen AMD hd6970 was selling for 350-400usd, so as you realize here, no company will want to release a product to directly compete with itself unless they completely ran out of old supply and are ready to just bring in the new, which is haedly ever the case. As for r9 380x well no offense but that card suckedd, not because of its lack of performance but from an engineering standpoint it was outdated, even compared to other amd chips like hawaii. For example it was a 360mm2 die with 190w tdp competing with a 200mm2 gm106 with less than 120w tdp, so AMD was losing no matter what, even had they sold just as many 380s as nvidia did with 960 they would still make less profit than nvidia as their chip is bigger and more power hungry and more expensive to manufacture. And even when compared to the r9 390 tonga looks just as bad, with slightly less shaders but much less performance. Tonga in my opinion just tanked badly, and its good to see it go first, thats a smart move from amd to start where they are weakest

 

[Crap Daddy]

I'm pretty sure it's the first time I see 789€ is claimed to "replace" 499€ card.
Or that "price doesn't matter".

Or that you have very vague idea what "exponentially" means.

And before someone brings in "oh, but newer process is expensive", let me remind you, that 480 is 199$ as was 380, which, uh oh, doh, happened to be faster than 960..

nvidia hardly ever had competitive low end, why would anyone think it would be different with 1060?

Let me make it clearer, GP104 is replacing GM104 in GTX **80 and **70 cards. The performance jump is at around 65%. GP106 will replace GM106 in GTX **60 and maybe GTX **50 cards. I expect a similar jump in performance which will put the 1060 in the 980 and probably RX480 level. Price is irrelevant to the discussion now, it is mostly dictated by the market.

 

[Casecutter]

Here's the thing AMD/RTG can only design, build, and market card(s) that make sense for them. No they can't compete with Nvidia in cash and personal to execute some juggernaut, we all see that... That doesn't mean AMD/RTG is deliberately poking at the hornet nest, in some ways they build the card(s) that make sense for their economics', design knowledge, execution with the employees and partners, then price it to get a return on investment. If they get caught with an over abundance of product their ROI is not good (as what Rory thought he could do with Bitcoin mining). AMD needs to stay the course, offer competitive product(s) at a price that provides them proper ROI. They need inventories without getting stuck with an abundance that causes them to curtail prices. Is this Nvidia offering going to be enough, who knows but it appears Nvidia thought it necessary to jump forward at the high end, all while holding this till after they confirm what the RX480 8Gb has to offer. That permits adjusting this 1060 accordingly, with such an advantage it wouldn't be unexpected to get above.

The main thing that we and Nvidia don't have a got feel for is if GloFlo has finally got it right and their 14nm FinFET is hitting on all cylinders? If it is then I see this to open a new chapter in such rivalry. As for too long the game was still dependent on TSMC and what they felt they wanted to charge. If GloFlo can bring something that truly mixes that previous arrangement up, I think we will have more choice than ever, as it been kind of "me to" for a long time. We might start seeing some meaningful divergence.

 

[Casecutter]

When hd7970 was released before nvidias kepler, it was priced at 550usd which matched gtx580 prices at the time but offered a good 30-50% better performance, but the reality was that the previous gen AMD hd6970 was selling for 350-400usd, so as you realize here, no company will want to release a product to directly compete with itself unless they completely ran out of old supply and are ready to just bring in the new, which is haedly ever the case. As for r9 380x well no offense but that card suckedd, not because of its lack of performance but from an engineering standpoint it was outdated, even compared to other amd chips like hawaii. For example it was a 360mm2 die with 190w tdp competing with a 200mm2 gm106 with less than 120w tdp, so AMD was losing no matter what, even had they sold just as many 380s as nvidia did with 960 they would still make less profit than nvidia as their chip is bigger and more power hungry and more expensive to manufacture. And even when compared to the r9 390 tonga looks just as bad, with slightly less shaders but much less performance. Tonga in my opinion just tanked badly, and its good to see it go first, thats a smart move from amd to start where they are weakest

Some perspective, AMD made the specs for Tonga to drive Apple 5K Retina display, and for most of it's life it was a gelding going against a stripped down gaming "only" card in the 960. I'm sure AMD didn't go into that without a viable means to have enough ROI. As said above, AMD/RTG have to take their business to a place that works for them. And that's not looking to via Nvidia in their path of a gaming ecosystem of graphics, that is not in AMD/RTG best interest.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Some perspective, AMD made the specs for Tonga to drive Apple 5K Retina display, and for most of it's life it was a gelding going against a stripped down gaming "only" card. I'm sure AMD didn't go into that without a viable means to have enough ROI. As said above, AMD/RTG have to take their business to a place that works for them. And that's not looking to via Nvidia in their path of a gaming ecosystem of graphics, that is not in AMD/RTG best interest.

Amd's drive for market share has them taking little to a loss too many times from too many vendors. Their roi seemed mostly to consist of name association....that didnt work. No one immediate thinks of Amd when they see Apple, Xbox or Play station. Amd has a vision and a purpose....they just gotta find a way to make it profitable. The 480 will be an excellent start as long as they have the volume to drive it and the b.o.m. cost is low enough. Nvidia had no choice but to rush an answer.

 

[semantics]

The 4GB 960 already started life at $249-$279. I kinda expect these to be $279-$319. The cooler is possibly a hint that pricing is changing here. (For example, today's reviewed 1070 is $439.)

In the future, all reviews should use nVidia's upper msrp price not the lower one. Because we see how this is shaking out.

MSRP is one price, Manufacture Suggested Retail Price. One item has one MSRP what is available on the market is not always MSRP especially with new limited items