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NVIDIA to Unveil GeForce GTX TITAN P at Gamescom

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Cool stuff! However considering the current prices for 1080's, I am even afraid to look in the direction of the price of this thing.

the price of the 1080 is fine. i got an EVGA 1080 ACX for $620 from newegg. the crazy mark ups are retailers and scalpers trying to make an extra buck off of impatient people. this happens EVERY YEAR and people are surprised every time it does. It happened with the R9 290X. it happened with the 980 Ti and Fury X. and as long as people keep rewarding scalpers it will continue to happen.

anyway, i ended up reselling it to a relative at cost because the performance gain over my 980 Ti that boosts to 1600MHz wouldn't be worth the time it takes to rebuild my computer. the MSRP of the 1080 Ti will probably be $700 or so. maybe $730. or less if AMD actually releases a proper competitor.

I have never seen anyone as miserable as owners of titan gpus once $300 gpus next year beats their gpu :D

People who buy titans usually don't care about prices. i know this may comes as a shock to you, but there are people out there who can drop thousands, even tens of thousands of dollars on dumb things constantly and not even see a dent in the checking accounts.
 

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see, i bet you that multiple rich idiots will buy a titan p and a 6950x and not understand why their overpriced machine wont work aswell as other less overpriced machines.
 
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really need AMD to put up a fight with high-end GPU these prices are ridiculous.
 

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780 -> 2304 cores
980 -> 2048 cores
1080 -> 2560 cores
1180 -> you predict 3840 cores?



yup. I'm predicting 3,584 cores for the "GTX 1080 TI" (or TITAN P, whatever they call it. The GP102 card that comes out in August) BUT, i'm predicting that since there will be a wait till 2018 for Volta, and since GP102 is not the "full" Pascal, we will see similar to the 700 series where they released the GK110 TITAN then released the GK"2"10 780/780 TI.

My Prediction is


980 -> 2048 cores
980 TI -> 2816 cores
1080 -> 2560 cores
1080 TI -> 3584 cores

1180 -> 3,840 cores
1180 TI -> 4,480 cores

Because that follows the exact same core "ratios" that you get with the 680 and the 700 series

GTX 680 = 1536 cores

GTX 780 = 2304 cores (which is exactly 50% more cores than the 680)

GTX 780 TI = 2,880 cores (which is exactly 25% more cores than the 780)


So if you apply that same math to Pascal, you get my numbers

1080 = 2560 cores

1180 = 3,840 cores (50% more than 1080)

1180 TI = 4,480 cores (25% more than 1180)


You have to understand that the fact that the 780, 980, and 1080, have kept relatively similar core counts (2304, 2048, 2560) is that they were ALL new architectures. But pascal is the same architecture for both the 1080 and the new "1180" etc.. in 2017. So it will end up in a pattern similar to how we went from 2048 on 980 to 3072 on the TITAN X (which was also EXACTLY 50% more cores, just like my predictions)

It's entirely possible that things will be a "bit" different, but i think that overall these numbers are fairly accurate. There's just SO many similarities between Keplar 600/700 series and Pascal for it to be a coincidence.

Another interesting pattern that fits my theory is that EVERY architectural generation since Keplar has had basically the SAME ratio math between the "104 die" x80 chip and the next generation full die implementation chip.

GTX 680 = 1536
GTX 780 = 2304 (50% increase)

GTX 980 = 2048
GTX TITAN X = 3072 (50% increase)

S0,

GTX 1080 = 2560

50% increase would = 3,840 for GTX 1180


There's been an exponential increase in cuda core counts on each new generation of cards; the gap between each x80 and x70 etc.. card gets larger and larger. Each new die shrink allows more and more cores and transistors to be put on a similarly sized GPU die, did you know that the full GP100 in the TESLA P100 physics computing GPU that Nvidia showed not long ago doesn't actually have 3,840 cuda cores like they said? It actually has a MASSIVE "5,760 CUDA CORES!!!!" that's nearly SIX THOUSAND!! But 1,920 of them are double precision cores; however that shows you how many cores are able to be fit on a full ~600mm2 size GP100 die. So my estimates of ~4,480 cores aren't that strange really

nah, the 1080ti is most likely not coming with hbm2. sadly.


It's hard to say. It seems that if they are releasing a 980 TI AND a TITAN that we will get: 1080 TI = 12GB 384 bit GDDR5X (480gb/s bandwidth if running at 10,000mhz, or 576gb/s bandwidth if running at 12,000mhz), and TITAN P = 16GB 3072/4096 HBM2 (768gb/s if 3072 bit, or 1tb/s if 4096 bit)

Or if we JUST get the TITAN, or JUST the 1080 TI it will likely just be the 384 bit G5X; and the 2017 GTX 1180 and 1180 TI full GP100 ~600mm2 die chips will be the ones with HBM2 most likely, in that case. (with 1180 = 3072 bit 768gb/s, and 1180 TI = 4096 bit 1tb/s etc..)


the 1080 can already run 4k 60fps or if it cant in certain situations, its dang close. the 1080ti MOST LIKELY will be able to run 4k 60fps.

Yeah exactly. Go watch the linustechtips review of the founders edition 1080, they said they could run EVERY SINGLE game they tested at 60fps+ 4K resolution at high settings or higher with 1x or 2x AA. So will you be able to run The Witcher 3 with Max settings including Hairworks etc.. at 4K 60fps on a single 1080? Nope, probably not; but you can sure get ~45fps average, which is what my 2,150mhz overclocked MSI GAMING X GTX 1080 gets even in the most demanding areas typically.

As for the GTX 1080 TI, all we have to do to get a rough idea of performance is look at how Maxwell compares to the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080.

GTX 1070 is roughly equal to 2 way SLI GTX 970's in most cases (might fall short in a COUPLE cases, but once overclocked it's definitely there)

GTX 1080 is pretty much exactly equal to 2 way SLI GTX 1080's in most cases (again, might fall short in a few specific games, but ties or even slightly beats two 980s in the vast majority of games)

And the GTX 1080 TI leaked specs indicate it likely having roughly 3,584 - 3,840 cuda cores or so (3,584 cores = 40% increase. 3,840 cores = 50% increase), and at least a 384 bit G5X VRAM config, meaning a 50% increase in bandwidth (480gb/s over 320gb/s) So a card with 40-50% more cores and 50%+ more bandwidth will be at least around 50% faster or so. And with the GTX 1080 already being 25-30% faster than a GTX 980 TI, we get the exact same pattern as the rest of the Pascal cards, which is:

"GTX 1080 TI is roughly equal to 2 way SLI GTX 980 TI's!!!"

Call me crazy, but i recall two GTX 980 TI's being just fine for 4K gaming at 60fps. In fact considering that the 1080 TI will have 12GB or 16GB of VRAM and that VRAM will have AT LEAST have 50% more bandwidth (if it actually has HBM2 it will have FOUR TIMES more bandwidth...lol) it would do even BETTER at 4k than SLI 980 TI's in my opinion. I just CAN NOT see a 1080 TI with those kind of specs (12GB of 480gb/s G5X + 3,584-3,840 cuda cores) not being able to push 60fps at 4K in even the most demanding titles at damn near or full on max settings!
 
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GP100 based ?
I thought they'll make both TITAN and 1080Ti out of GP102.
Is there any use for those FP64s on a GPU ?
This is exactly what I thought. GP104 is better for gaming than GP100 would be. Though they can certainly make multiple dies, a GP10X, where X is 1 or 3, along with GP102. It's not like they've financial problems like AMD
 
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HBM2 is currently being made by samsung and therefore is NOT propriety to AMD!
 
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HBM2 is currently being made by samsung and therefore is NOT propriety to AMD!
That doesn't mean Samsung own the right to it, only that they make it for AMD.
 
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Just Titan P or also 1080Ti ?
 
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That doesn't mean Samsung own the right to it, only that they make it for AMD.

AMD does have a lock on production of HBM2 from Samsung, only Hynix has the understanding with AMD about their HBM2 stocks being AMD's on primary. NVidia is sourcing their HBM2 from Samsung, though I believe Samsung's manufacturing is behind that of Hynix's at this point.
 
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