New California Energy Commission Regulation Threatens Pre-built Gaming Desktops

[Blueberries]

Gamers are a small percentage of PC owners, they will always have higher power demands, GPUs can draw as much as 50W idle.

People have argued that regulating emissions is a bad approach as well but what happened? Manufacturers reduced emissions.

The article does mention that Gaming/Workstation PCs will be given leniency based on "expandability score" (whatever that means).

 

[Mussels]

98% of applications fall into 2C or less, and even so, an i3-6320 performs 4 threads faster than a 2500k, which was considered "great" just a few years ago. I have a 3570k Z97 system clocked at 4.4GHz and the i3-6320 is 95% or better at 4T tasks and faster at 2T. If you're not using any professional applications (i.e., standard use) an i3 is perfect. IPC and a strong single / dual thread are much more important than core count.

You're right that PSUs reach their maximum efficiency at around 50% load and any outlying load beyond that comes with a cost. They're also much less efficient at 20% of their maximum load. Regardless, a platinum PSU like this one will be over 75% efficient even at a 5W load. 5W/0.75 = 7W at the wall.




It's very clear I'm not. Perhaps you should research M.2 and the 14nm FinFET process, times have changed.

You're either a troll or just very stubborn about your ignorance. Go buy a wall meter and prove to me you're right, because everyone else here but you knows you're wrong.

 

[Blueberries]

I've provided several references already, it's very easy to find benchmarks from multiple websites that have tested from the wall and achieved similar results.

I've even posted my hardware but you expect the total power draw to be more than the manufacturer's peak rating at idle?

Like I said, tired of repeating myself. You have no idea what you're talking about and you've offered no proof just meaningless blanket statements.

Do some research.

 

[Blueberries]

At any rate I find your denial rewarding. I've done so well building this PC that the results are unbelievable.

Thanks.

 

[dorsetknob]

I've done so well building this PC that the results are unbelievable.

Yeh your Right Unbelievable

 

[64K]

Another Joker. <sigh>

Goofball, you're using more than 3 watts to post here on your desktop.

 

[R-T-B]

I won't contest that some weak NUC's can fall under 10 watts at idle... but I doubt he is even using one, frankly.

The article does mention that Gaming/Workstation PCs will be given leniency based on "expandability score" (whatever that means).

The article explains what that means and how it is messed up.

 

[Blueberries]

I won't contest that some weak NUC's can fall under 10 watts at idle... but I doubt he is even using one, frankly.

Yes I explained earlier it's a mATX build, 2 sticks of DDR4 memory, a 51W CPU, and a single M.2 drive. It's not far from a NUC. It also has a more efficient PSU than a NUC if you want to bring wall-draw to mention.

The article explains what that means and how it is messed up.

I was being rhetorical, the factors are hinted at, but it sounds like a poor metric.

This is the problem though, people are so used to an era with 400W+ PCs that they can't even imagine 50W systems even though they're incredibly common in productivity.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Most of the 400W+ power draw comes from the graphics card(s) while gaming.

I have a NUC that probably draws <20w from the wall but it only has a 3w TDP Atom processor in it. That said, it performs like a <20w system.

All my computers have BOINC on them so, idle power consumption? When does it idle? Next to never.


I don't have a problem with California trying to get rid of CCFL monitors. The fact they're still selling them boggles my mind. Additionally, if this move by California pushes all monitors to have and use adaptive sync, that's a great thing too. Adaptive sync is like MPEG-2 for video: only updates the parts of the screen that requires updating. It can lead to massive power savings in the graphics card at very little cost--this is already standard in laptops to power their integrated screen.

 

[Rockarola]

I've provided several references already, it's very easy to find benchmarks from multiple websites that have tested from the wall and achieved similar results.

I've even posted my hardware but you expect the total power draw to be more than the manufacturer's peak rating at idle?

Like I said, tired of repeating myself. You have no idea what you're talking about and you've offered no proof just meaningless blanket statements.

Do some research.

You are discussing with Mussels and R-T-B, and you say "Do some research"...you are not here to have an adult discussion, are you? Those two are usually the voice of reason, which makes you look like an angry troll!
Try a wall-meter, for flocks sake!

 

[dorsetknob]

Hang on

Try a wall-meter, for flocks sake!

Wall Meter not flat earth Society or Vatican Approved Devils Device
Spanish Inquisition Team in Bound

 

[Rockarola]

Hang on


Wall Meter not flat earth Society or Vatican Approved Devils Device
Spanish Inquisition Team in Bound

Sorry, me lill Knob, I completely forgot to mention you...see, blueberries, this is someone you really don't want to mess with. Mussels and R-T-B might hurt your ego with logic, but this lad, this Knob, will hurt your sanity...trust me, you'll never be the same ;-)

 

[Melvis]

It's not voltage that kills you, it's the amps...

Exactly right! Ive been hit by 60 000volts before and im still standing

 

[dorsetknob]

Exactly right! Ive been hit by 60 000volts before and im still standing

I'M a walking talking high Voltage Generator
give me a Nylon/plastic Comb and a dark Room and i will comb my hair and generate enough Static Electrickery to blow some Electronics
In the Dark i can crackle and Spark up a small lighting Storm
I Survive !!!!

PS DOES NOT WORK IF YOUR BALD (i'm not Bald)

 

[Caring1]

Exactly right! Ive been hit by 60 000volts before and im still standing

Ditto, I've had a power line strike me between the eyes and blew me off my feet, and I'm still here (I think).

 

[Mussels]

i stuck the wires from a 12V fan into a 240V socket as a kid, i lived.
Electricity is dangerous, but its not instantly lethal except in very specific circumstances.

Why are we talking about our ghetto electroshock therapy methods again? Is it going to be outlawed in california too?

 

[dorsetknob]

you also get a similar voltage poke from car and motorcycle ht spark plug leads
that usually makes you jump and if under the hood bang your head

 

[dorsetknob]

Why are we talking about our ghetto electroshock therapy methods again? Is it going to be outlawed in california too?

Only if they also ban Execution by electric shock/chair

 

[Caring1]

Why are we talking about our ghetto electroshock therapy methods again? Is it going to be outlawed in california too?

Probably, unless self sufficient and greenhouse gas neutral.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Sorry, me lill Knob, I completely forgot to mention you...see, blueberries, this is someone you really don't want to mess with. Mussels and R-T-B might hurt your ego with logic, but this lad, this Knob, will hurt your sanity...trust me, you'll never be the same ;-)

True.