NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 3DMark Performance Leaked

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@$ReaPeR$ The MSRP isn't always the price we pay in the USA either even when listed for that price on a site like Newegg or Amazon. For instance anything I buy from those two sites I get charged an additional 9.25% sales tax (rate varies from state to state). Some sites like Steam don't charge me any sales tax though. You guys pay, I think, a 20% VAT. After taking that into account and converting US dollars to Euros it does seem that some European countries are still being charged more than they should be though.

 

[Ferrum Master]

@$ReaPeR$European countries are still being charged more than they should be though.

US export Tax, EU VAT, country custom declaration TAX... Tax in cube... I won't even mention the gas prices...

 

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you know that not everyone lives in the US right? i said "in reality" for a reason.
here in Denmark the cheapest 1060 6G is 334.87$ (incl VAT). and the situation is pretty much the same all over Europe. we will actually be lucky if it costs around the 180$ mark. and if i want to order it from the US i have to take into account the shipping cost. so.. in reality i'm never going to see that price. sadly. same goes for AMD. and lets not go to the price goughing and the limited availability.

Not again. Why would you compare the US MSRP to the price in Denmark? You've got 25% VAT over there (you'd have it higher if EU regulations allowed) and God knows what the import tax for these things is. Plus, your whole country is like half the NYC population, not exactly a premier location for Nvidia to worry about availability.
When someone says the GTX 1060 is available at MSRP, they're obviously talking about US.

 

[jabbadap]

@$ReaPeR$ The MSRP isn't always the price we pay in the USA either even when listed for that price on a site like Newegg or Amazon. For instance anything I buy from those two sites I get charged an additional 9.25% sales tax (rate varies from state to state). Some sites like Steam don't charge me any sales tax though. You guys pay, I think, a 20% VAT. After taking that into account and converting US dollars to Euros it does seem that some European countries are still being charged more than they should be though.

Yeah you are spot on. In Germany VAT is 19%, here in Finland VAT is 24%. I.e. if the "american" mrsp for gtx 1050ti really is $149 exl. VAT, then it would be here 133.26€ exl VAT + 31.98€ VAT = 165.24€.

In local store cheapest RX 460 2GB version costs 132.9€, if we exclude VAT from it it costs 107.18€ exl. VAT which is ~$120. And that's the actual price of the card in newegg in states.

 

[dj-electric]

Not again. Why would you compare the US MSRP to the price in Denmark? You've got 25% VAT over there (you'd have it higher if EU regulations allowed) and God knows what the import tax for these things is. Plus, your whole country is like half the NYC population, not exactly a premier location for Nvidia to worry about availability.
When someone says the GTX 1060 is available at MSRP, they're obviously talking about US.

Exactly.

I was giving newegg prices as an example of MSRP-promised MSRP-delivered.
Relative to RX 480, the GTX 1060 6GB is actually cheaper in many places, just to show how pricing works relatively.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

@$ReaPeR$ The MSRP isn't always the price we pay in the USA either even when listed for that price on a site like Newegg or Amazon. For instance anything I buy from those two sites I get charged an additional 9.25% sales tax (rate varies from state to state). Some sites like Steam don't charge me any sales tax though. You guys pay, I think, a 20% VAT. After taking that into account and converting US dollars to Euros it does seem that some European countries are still being charged more than they should be though.

exactly! so whats the point of having an MSRP, and even worse, why should that MSRP play any role in the price/perf rating of the card in the international theatre of things?

US export Tax, EU VAT, country custom declaration TAX... Tax in cube... I won't even mention the gas prices...

true that!

Not again. Why would you compare the US MSRP to the price in Denmark? You've got 25% VAT over there (you'd have it higher if EU regulations allowed) and God knows what the import tax for these things is. Plus, your whole country is like half the NYC population, not exactly a premier location for Nvidia to worry about availability.
When someone says the GTX 1060 is available at MSRP, they're obviously talking about US.

1. because there is no "international" MSRP, and because the US is not the whole planet.
2. i was talking about Europe in general, not only Denmark.
3. as for the population thing, thats utter horse manure. Intel can manage it for their CPUs but Nvidia and AMD cant for GPUs?! yeah, sure.. its "the EU regulation and shit.."

Yeah you are spot on. In Germany VAT is 19%, here in Finland VAT is 24%. I.e. if the "american" mrsp for gtx 1050ti really is $149 exl. VAT, then it would be here 133.26€ exl VAT + 31.98€ VAT = 165.24€.
In local store cheapest RX 460 2GB version costs 132.9€, if we exclude VAT from it it costs 107.18€ exl. VAT which is ~$120. And that's the actual price of the card in newegg in states.

also, this^.

Exactly.
I was giving newegg prices as an example of MSRP-promised MSRP-delivered.
Relative to RX 480, the GTX 1060 6GB is actually cheaper in many places, just to show how pricing works relatively.

relatively to relativity since the MSRP is so relative why bother with it in the first place? and for a second time, i'm talking about both companies.

 

[TheGuruStud]

@$ReaPeR$ The MSRP isn't always the price we pay in the USA either even when listed for that price on a site like Newegg or Amazon. For instance anything I buy from those two sites I get charged an additional 9.25% sales tax (rate varies from state to state). Some sites like Steam don't charge me any sales tax though. You guys pay, I think, a 20% VAT. After taking that into account and converting US dollars to Euros it does seem that some European countries are still being charged more than they should be though.

Time to change states if you get hit with tax from both e-tailers.

 

[alucasa]

exactly! so whats the point of having an MSRP, and even worse, why should that MSRP play any role in the price/perf rating of the card in the international theatre of things?

MSRP is a guideline more than anything. In US, retailers will keep the prices closer to MSRP because, well, it's where all begin. Further away from the origin, the weaker MSRP will have its effect.
Middlemen will want their share which increases the final prices you pay. I mean someone has to get the stuff to where you are and they gotta get paid.

In EU's case, there is more than one middleman. They all want their shares.

 

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1. because there is no "international" MSRP, and because the US is not the whole planet.
2. i was talking about Europe in general, not only Denmark.
3. as for the population thing, thats utter horse manure. Intel can manage it for their CPUs but Nvidia and AMD cant for GPUs?! yeah, sure.. its "the EU regulation and shit.."

#1 and #2 If there's no "international" MSRP, then what are you trying to prove by quoting "international" prices?
#3 Not being a big enough market doesn't mean no one will care about you. It just means you shouldn't be surprise when they don't.

#4 If anyone's jealous about the "free healthcare" in Europe, this is a prime example of how we get it. We pay taxes till we bleed.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

MSRP is a guideline more than anything. In US, retailers will keep the prices closer to MSRP because, well, it's where all begin. Further away from the origin, the weaker MSRP will have its effect.
Middlemen will want their share which increases the final prices you pay. I mean someone has to get the stuff to where you are and they gotta get paid.

In EU's case, there is more than one middleman. They all want their shares.

#1 and #2 If there's no "international" MSRP, then what are you trying to prove by quoting "international" prices?
#3 Not being a big enough market doesn't mean no one will care about you. It just means you shouldn't be surprise when they don't.

#4 If anyone's jealous about the "free healthcare" in Europe, this is a prime example of how we get it. We pay taxes till we bleed.

ok. could you explain why Intel manages to have a price difference of only 40$ from its MSRP? imo the GPU market is the problem and not so much taxation or international boundaries and legislations.

 

[alucasa]

ok. could you explain why Intel manages to have a price difference of only 40$ from its MSRP? imo the GPU market is the problem and not so much taxation or international boundaries and legislations.

Supply & demand issue as well as marketing strategy.

If supply & demand are in check and the ratio is adequate, the price becomes stable and close to MSRP.

If supply is low and demand is high, the gap from MSRP becomes higher as middlemen will want to use the situation to his advantage.

When Intel had CPU shortage last year on Skylake CPU, an i7 6700k in Canada went up as high as 600CAD.

 

[Recon-UK]

There seems to be a lot of hate in this thread.

We are just seeing the trickle down affect like it always has been? GTX 960 performance at GTX xx50 range GPU... nothing new.

I agree that a LP version would be like butter on the toast.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Supply & demand issue as well as marketing strategy.

If supply & demand are in check and the ratio is adequate, the price becomes stable and close to MSRP.

If supply is low and demand is high, the gap from MSRP becomes higher as middlemen will want to use the situation to his advantage.

When Intel had CPU shortage last year on Skylake CPU, an i7 6700k in Canada went up as high as 600CAD.

well, yes, that does indeed happen. but in the GPU market is pretty much a damn trend and Intel has a "new" model out every year but it seems to be able to handle the volume (usually). is it just me that finds ridiculous the fact that a 1060 6G/480 costs the same as the 6700K?? (in Europe)

 

[alucasa]

well, yes, that does indeed happen. but in the GPU market is pretty much a damn trend and Intel has a "new" model out every year but it seems to be able to handle the volume (usually). is it just me that finds ridiculous the fact that a 1060 6G/480 costs the same as the 6700K?? (in Europe)

It does happen and always happens. That's the basics. People in EU gets screwed on this part so much that it's saddening.

Additionally, there is "marketing strategy" which I did mention. When Nvidia gets a new GPU out, its yield is low which automatically creates low supply problem. It's exactly what Nvidia wants. Low supply generally creates heated competition among buyers who couldn't care less how much it costs as long as he can get it for his epeen.

Intel is different. They are through and through chip makers and are the best in fab tech and people are generally less enthusiastic about upcoming CPUs that haven't really moved on in mainstream desktop since 2010.

 

[refillable]

There's also a fully enabled Polaris 11 in AMD's arsenal. That should make things interesting...

Trolls should go to wccf and other sites.

 

[Mussels]

does it have SLI support? seems like it'd be a popular DX12 multi GPU card

 

[Prima.Vera]

It does happen and always happens. That's the basics. People in EU gets screwed on this part so much that it's saddening.

Is not EU only. In Asia (except China), Australia and S. America is exactly the same. All prices are inflated at least 35% more because of those 1 million taxes and such.
Basically in the world, only U.S. and China have this preferential treatment. I wonder why that is...

 

[jabbadap]

does it have SLI support? seems like it'd be a popular DX12 multi GPU card

Being sarcastic or? If gtx 1060 does not have sli, how could even lower tier have.

 

[silentbogo]

Being sarcastic or? If gtx 1060 does not have sli, how could even lower tier have.

Sill does not void the explicit multi-GPU capabilities in DX12. Though, pricewise it will probably be more beneficial to get a GTX1060 or RX480 for that amount of $$$.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

It does happen and always happens. That's the basics. People in EU gets screwed on this part so much that it's saddening.

Additionally, there is "marketing strategy" which I did mention. When Nvidia gets a new GPU out, its yield is low which automatically creates low supply problem. It's exactly what Nvidia wants. Low supply generally creates heated competition among buyers who couldn't care less how much it costs as long as he can get it for his epeen.

Intel is different. They are through and through chip makers and are the best in fab tech and people are generally less enthusiastic about upcoming CPUs that haven't really moved on in mainstream desktop since 2010.

does it have SLI support? seems like it'd be a popular DX12 multi GPU card

i agree. i just think that these prices are artificially inflated and they are justifying it based on this perceived "competition" and allegedly "low yields".

Is not EU only. In Asia (except China), Australia and S. America is exactly the same. All prices are inflated at least 35% more because of those 1 million taxes and such.
Basically in the world, only U.S. and China have this preferential treatment. I wonder why that is...

i don't think is only the taxes as such..

Sill does not void the explicit multi-GPU capabilities in DX12. Though, pricewise it will probably be more beneficial to get a GTX1060 or RX480 for that amount of $$$.

there are not many dx12 games in order to take that seriously into consideration imo, in a year or two, quite possibly but by then all present cards will largely be irrelevant. i totally agree that for that kind of money a 470/480 is a better choice, its 50$ more but with a great perf upgrade. unless one wants to go a bit higher and get the 1060 6G which is even better but with a price to match.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Looks like an OEM winner, I can see why team red is livid.