Intel Core i5-7600K Tested, Negligible IPC Gains

[mistme]

how old are you?

More than you and enough to know that AMD won't never catch Intel.

I guess the outcome of this Q&A is - don't ask how old the child is.

 

[Frick]

If AMD was going to pull one out of the hat with Zen, yes

If Zen competes with Haswell it's on target.

 

[aldo5]

"intel is so many steps ahead", "amd will never cach intel" ... if so - then we all are screwed - just like HEDT platform - prices will go up without any performance gains (well - technically +1 to 3% IPC is a performance gain - so I am wrong here). but I hope intel is so many steps ahead - that it lost a count and will fall...
Either way amd wont have to bring a miracle to shake things up and grab a piece from market it lost - just a Sandy Bridge level (5 years old) IPC and little les priced that intels (whatever gen).

 

[ratirt]

I see it from a different perspective. Intel releases not much worth Kaby for me that gives "nut" much change What we know for sure now is that Kaby differ from Skylake only with core frequency since the entire architecture gives what 1% performance boost? Intel could spare as this so called improvements and come up with something really new and improved.
AMD on the other hand doesn't release architecture improvements but gives something more. If Zen is not as fast as Skylake or Kaby so what? It will have price 2 times lower and the difference between Intel and AMD wont be big either. Besides after Zen other stuff is coming. What will intel do is release something after Kaby another worthless 1% of improvement or even cross as THE first one the improvement lowest values of 0.5% . Someone said that intel, since release of Kaby isn't much different from Skylake mean that Intel is not afraid of AMD's Zen. Maybe. Or maybe Intel wants to release worthless Kaby to get a little bit more money out of the consumers offering nothing before its fall-down. I got an Intel 3770K I7 and the difference between the 6th or 7th generations of intel's CPUs is thin as hair.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I think some of you forget how much this industry has changed and can change. Both AMD and good old Cyrix were ahead of Intel at times in the past.
Market leaders (3Dfx for example) can screw up and disappear, although that's unlikely to happen with Intel any time soon (or Apple for that matter), but some of the leaders in technology industry (Nokia, Blackberry) make a few too many missteps and all of a sudden they're no longer relevant and have lost billions. Just look at how good Intel did in the mobile phone space after spending a lot of money on trying to compete in a market they were clueless about. Throwing money on a problem doesn't always solve it. Intel has yet to do a decent iGPU, despite all the money and effort the company has put into it. They brag about how much better their latest graphics core is compared to their last one, but in this space, AMD is always three steps ahead. Is AMD going to have something competitive this time around, who knows, but we should all hope they do, as it's the only way Intel is going to wake up and realise that they have to improve their CPU's as well.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Daf*q are the last posts about?

Intel has and always had technological advance and also resources. Their product bet on Netburst failed, and Keller brought last goods from Alpha team thus the sparks with decent AMD products. Ranting about someones age seems to be a sign of one selves lack of sanity.

That's not quite true, Sandy Bridge is starting to get quite long in the tooth now and you'd at least want an Ivy Bridge or Haswell processor

Sandy vs Ivy? Really? Sandy differs especially in OC and soldered IHS and Ivy is the bare minimum... give us a break, people are still spanking anything that AMD has running overclocked Nehalems and they ARE enough.

 

[ratirt]

I think some of you forget how much this industry has changed and can change. Both AMD and good old Cyrix were ahead of Intel at times in the past.
Market leaders (3Dfx for example) can screw up and disappear, although that's unlikely to happen with Intel any time soon (or Apple for that matter), but some of the leaders in technology industry (Nokia, Blackberry) make a few too many missteps and all of a sudden they're no longer relevant and have lost billions. Just look at how good Intel did in the mobile phone space after spending a lot of money on trying to compete in a market they were clueless about. Throwing money on a problem doesn't always solve it. Intel has yet to do a decent iGPU, despite all the money and effort the company has put into it. They brag about how much better their latest graphics core is compared to their last one, but in this space, AMD is always three steps ahead. Is AMD going to have something competitive this time around, who knows, but we should all hope they do, as it's the only way Intel is going to wake up and realise that they have to improve their CPU's as well.

I hope Intel do realize that and hopefully AMD will help Intel accomplish . As for marketing they will never release top notch product rather give a slight boost and sell then again same thing. If AMD fails with ZEN(which I doubt it) we'll get Intel's 15th generation bringing nothing to the table. Than after 10 years you would say Ivy was great and now it is 20% slower than 15th gen of intel's. AMD after 5 years of their last CPU release 40% boost in Instructions which is totally something new. Yet we still don't know how will it perform in the regular work and what the frequency will be exactly. So as we don't know the OC potential.
AMD is unpredictable and innovative while intel predictions oscillate with 1% boost.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Nothing surprising to be honest. We were all expecting this. Unless intel change the CPU architecture again, we will not see any significant improvements as long as this cycle continues. Probably in 20 years we can finally say that intel 27600K is 100% faster than the 2500K...
AMD is our only hope right now.

 

[qubit]

How disappointing. Basically Kaby Lake is gonna make better laptops and not much else.

The worst bit of course, is that Intel knows better than we do what AMD has with Zen, so if it hasn't bothered to improve the performance much, then that implies Zen is another AMD failure and nothing to worry about for them. I really hope I'm wrong.

It wouldn't surprise me if Intel start doing rebrands like is done with GPUs.

 

[EarthDog]

Who didn't see that coming

The poster above you?

I fully expected this to be a 'Devil's Canyon' type of increase.


You know what IS annoying, either I don't know how to use this forum properly or we need to click on EACH AND EVERY picture in the first post to see it.. can't even click left or right to go through them? I have to back out then click on another? Wow......

 

[TheLostSwede]

Sandy vs Ivy? Really? Sandy differs especially in OC and soldered IHS and Ivy is the bare minimum... give us a break, people are still spanking anything that AMD has running overclocked Nehalems and they ARE enough.

First of all, not everyone is a "professional" overclocker and most computer buyers aren't overclockers at all.
Secondly, yes, Sandy Bridge is getting old http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/16
Sure, if you overclock it, it'll hang around a bit longer, but Ivy Bridge is clearly better where Sandy Bridge lags behind.

Did I say people should upgrade? No, I simply said that Sandy Bridge is starting to get a bit past its prime, in more ways than one.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Sure, if you overclock it, it'll hang around a bit longer, but Ivy Bridge is clearly better where Sandy Bridge lags behind

What are you smoking man?

 

[CoolZone]

Intel are basically saying with this release that they are not afraid at all by the Zen launch....which makes me wonder of its performances upon launch (another flop?).

 

[Steevo]

This is just an example of silicon process stalling product improvement, has the thought that without higher frequencies and or smaller transistors and shorter on die trace length that IPC will not improve as well? We had to start worrying more about the speed of electricity when we reached the 90nm process, and without the improvements brought by smaller nodes Moore's law is coming to an end, and with it other per clock improvements.

We have to wonder what new instruction sets and or hardware are they adding to speed other functions, and we may be reaching the bridge of OpenCL being required, or perhaps smaller higher frequency RISC cores for specific computing applications.

 

[alucasa]

I expected at most 5% increase (IPC wise), not 1%. I wonder how good the iGPU is. If it continues 20% increase each gen, Kaby lake's iGPU would be pretty decent by now.

I mean I was playing Civ 5 with iGPU on i5-6200U.

I guess Intel doesn't see Zen as a threat or they are bringing improvements for Cannonlake.

 

[EarthDog]

I dont think they gave a darn about Zen/AMD. THis is just normal tick tock recycling as far as I am concerned.

 

[KarymidoN]

I dont think they gave a darn about Zen/AMD. THis is just normal tick tock recycling as far as I am concerned.

you goddam right. at this point intel is not even thinking about amd zen.

 

[Ferrum Master]

I dont think they gave a darn about Zen/AMD. THis is just normal tick tock recycling as far as I am concerned.

The only thing Intel really work on lately is the iGPU actually... so they actually somewhat give a darn about GPU importance... but vaguely.

 

[GhostRyder]

So in other words there is not much of a point to upgrading for a long time at this rate. Man those people who bought Sandy-Bridge or Ivy-Bridge really are getting their moneys worth with the slow pace things are going. I wish we would at least get some serious power improvements if nothing else for the mobile market...

 

[alucasa]

Many will upgrade. That's why salesmen exist.

Additionally, put on some ads and upgrade incentives and people will upgrade.
And there are those who must have the latest no matter how silly it is.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Clearly Intel isn't worried about Zen then if there is no IPC boost

I mean that's not really saying anything. Kabylake was planned and designed years ago, so this is in no way connected to Zen leaks of the past year.

There is a good chance that 3 years ago Intel didn't see Zen as a threat, but now it seems like they are getting a little worried. They wouldn't have released 8 and 10 core i7's unless they needed the option of a stronger chip to counter competition (They can easily drop the prices of their enthusiast i7's by $500 if they need to).

But if that's not enough then Intel is basically screwed for a year. Their roadmaps are set. The most they can do is make i7's with MoAR CoReZ!

 

[yogurt_21]

starting to turn into a car company. "this years model gives you 5% more performance with 5% better fuel economy" Better sure, but not exactly going to wow people, wonder if they're going to start throwing in deals for last years model...lol

Maybe we've been spoiled all these years with new architectures bringing lots of gains and new technologies plus better overclocking, etc. Kind of like the late 70's and 80's of car production where all of the sudden sedans started hitting 20mpg + with fuel injection and HP increases matched. Then the 90's rolled around and fuel economy and HP gains were nominal.

 

[kaellar]

Intel has always been and will always be 3 steps ahead AMD, don't forget that.

You're right ( SHORT TIME )

Wow. Just wow.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I dont think they gave a darn about Zen/AMD. THis is just normal tick tock recycling as far as I am concerned.

Except not. tick tock is gone. Intel is doing away with that now.

 

[alucasa]

Lurkers = Grammar police? Knoxx29 isn't native English speaker. (Neither am I)