Intel Announces the Xeon E5-2699A at SC 2016

[dalekdukesboy]

Maybe the older 2011 stuff. I can tell you my current ES broadwell-e is locked as are the rest of the 2xxx chips on 2011v3

Sorry wanted this separate, this is exactly my point, you're 2015-16 essentially x99 vs my x79 minus some connectivity weaknesses in x79 are very comparable in many ways performance wise and tech that is now separated by over half a decade should barely show up on the same chart when you do performance tests. Not bashing your x99 I'd certainly like to have it, but I'm just making the point of how little urgency Intel has to really innovate, just tweak and shrink basically.

 

[cdawall]

I'm not that worried about overclocking my xeon to be fair. It chugs along in my server which is all I need. I actually have thought about kicking turbo off on it to drop wattage some more, but it really doesn't pull much it might be a 40w at the wall difference between maxed out across 12 cores and idle.

 

[TRUELOVE95]

This is something you will see in the oil industry. They don't care about the price. 4.8% faster on a device that can make millions per hour is an acceptable purchase to them. Break that price down it will pay for itself.

ouch. My dad works as a senior chief engineer in an oil rig, and no matter what the management thinks improves performance, by that little iota if you know oil rigs the tools break down nearly every other day.

Management says %5.0 increase - awesome, the actual engineers know there is no difference because the damn tools break down anyway and expert engineers like my dad has to spend his nearly 20 hour days everyday fixing the mess.

 

[cdawall]

ouch. My dad works as a senior chief engineer in an oil rig, and no matter what the management thinks improves performance, by that little iota if you know oil rigs the tools break down nearly every other day.

Management says %5.0 increase - awesome, the actual engineers know there is no difference because the damn tools break down anyway and expert engineers like my dad has to spend his nearly 20 hour days everyday fixing the mess.

Server farms aren't on rigs these would be back in those offices that they sit their asses in cushy nice chairs and spend money from lol

 

[TRUELOVE95]

Can't find much on the internet, but here is some drilling in the sea and equipment breaking down:

Well, unfortunately for me, the subsea equipment is what breaks the most often and when the rig goes on downtime there is a huge amount of pressure to do my job right. When something goes wrong we work around the clock and we work hard.

 

[TRUELOVE95]

Server farms aren't on rigs these would be back in those offices that they sit their asses in cushy nice chairs and spend money from lol

From being around them for 30 years listening to his work, I can just tell that the money they spend is stupid based on the management the inevitably hire. And most management, especially in engineering, know jack shit.

Server farms not in rigs?

I am not entirely sure, I avoid stressing my dad about his work, but I know for a fact he stares at more than thirty screens at a time full of information and data, so I am sure of computers crunching away on the rigs.

What do these server farms do?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'm not that worried about overclocking my xeon to be fair. It chugs along in my server which is all I need. I actually have thought about kicking turbo off on it to drop wattage some more, but it really doesn't pull much it might be a 40w at the wall difference between maxed out across 12 cores and idle.

True, but in many circumstances if you could overclock it imagine how much more work would get "done"? Also, they work perfectly fine in consumer boards so even if workstations don't care about overclocking generally why wouldn't you post the full tech specs on a piece of silicone? That's like not posting the horsepower on a vw bug because people don't buy them for speed/power...you still give the consumer all the info you can on your product that is relevant in how it runs.

 

[cdawall]

From being around them for 30 years listening to his work, I can just tell that the money they spend is stupid based on the management the inevitably hire. And most management, especially in engineering, know jack shit.

Server farms not in rigs?

I am not entirely sure, I avoid stressing my dad about his work, but I know for a fact he stares at more than thirty screens at a time full of information and data, so I am sure of computers crunching away on the rigs.

What do these server farms do?

The guy I deal with (close friend works in the energy corridor of houston) has described the couple they have. One is a data center connecting this node to the others throughout the US, another is for geographical analysis and they have one for stuff he couldn't really go into detail with. The data center probably wouldn't have much improvement going to these, but the analysis machine would. Any improvements in speed make a difference in that.

 

[TRUELOVE95]

The guy I deal with (close friend works in the energy corridor of houston) has described the couple they have. One is a data center connecting this node to the others throughout the US, another is for geographical analysis and they have one for stuff he couldn't really go into detail with. The data center probably wouldn't have much improvement going to these, but the analysis machine would. Any improvements in speed make a difference in that.

Thanks, very interesting

I'll probably never know firsthand the work he does in the rig, and all these places he travelled to, but I know for a big guy he is very patient. Probably a must for that kind of quaters. I think he has been to nearly every part of the world, including one of the poles on our earth.

And houston sounds familiar, I know that is where he goes for training when the latest tech comes out.

 

[ZeDestructor]

True, but in many circumstances if you could overclock it imagine how much more work would get "done"? Also, they work perfectly fine in consumer boards so even if workstations don't care about overclocking generally why wouldn't you post the full tech specs on a piece of silicone? That's like not posting the horsepower on a vw bug because people don't buy them for speed/power...you still give the consumer all the info you can on your product that is relevant in how it runs.

You can find em, deep in the engineering and UEFI firmware development manuals. I'm lazy, so I just look up the relevant chip on wikipedia, then take the base multi and tack the turbo bins on top of that, nice and easy.

Thanks, very interesting

I'll probably never know firsthand the work he does in the rig, and all these places he travelled to, but I know for a big guy he is very patient. Probably a must for that kind of quaters. I think he has been to nearly every part of the world, including one of the poles on our earth.

And houston sounds familiar, I know that is where he goes for training when the latest tech comes out.

On the rig he's most likely looking at a metric shitton of monitoring data of all the systems there, with a few screens used for actual control. Much like the financial sector: it's a lot of data you want to see now, but that doesn't need much processing. The analysis farms on mainland on the other hand, need tons of compute power.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

You can find em, deep in the engineering and UEFI firmware development manuals. I'm lazy, so I just look up the relevant chip on wikipedia, then take the base multi and tack the turbo bins on top of that, nice and easy.



Just the fact you say "deep in the firmware manuals" indicates it's done that way intentionally to make sure they sell the locked processors and not make it too easy for people to get the unlocked ones even if they don't overclock they'd still choose it more often than not for that extra feature especially if priced similarly. Never tried looking it up on wikipedia that way but thanks that makes sense...long as info on wikipedia isn't crap on particular chip I look up lol.

 

[Frick]

And not talking about something simple minded people don't understand.

Sure I understood what you meant. You just said "device", which annoyed me. An iPhone is a device. A drill is a device. A server farm is not a device.

5%. Seriously, that's like having 25 more cores. If you're talking about serving content and distributed data processing, that 5% sounds small but, it's being applied to big numbers. From a strictly computational standpoint, 5% faster could mean 5% fewer servers. There can be pretty big cost savings from that perspective but, once again. We're talking about businesses where this matters. This matters for companies like Amazon, Google, and Rackspace... companies that provide cloud services.

I have no idea about this, but do those companies rebuild their farms that often? Do they upgrade all the CPU's say in the new server farm in northern Sweden whenever there's a new generation out? Again, honest question as I have no idea.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Just the fact you say "deep in the firmware manuals" indicates it's done that way intentionally to make sure they sell the locked processors and not make it too easy for people to get the unlocked ones even if they don't overclock they'd still choose it more often than not for that extra feature especially if priced similarly. Never tried looking it up on wikipedia that way but thanks that makes sense...long as info on wikipedia isn't crap on particular chip I look up lol.

It's deep in the manuals because pretty much the only people who need to care are people writing firmwares - for the vast majority of buyers, core count, base clock, turbo, TDP and price are all they care about. Intel knows their customers, and inform appropriately.

I have no idea about this, but do those companies rebuild their farms that often? Do they upgrade all the CPU's say in the new server farm in northern Sweden whenever there's a new generation out? Again, honest question as I have no idea.

In smaller deployments, you generally have multiple quite independent clusters, and upgrade the clusters on different dates. If you're Google, Amazon or facebook big though, you generally bully Intel to price so cheap that you can do a rolling upgrade across the whole global fleet every 2-3 generations.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Meh, maybe partially true, but don't totally buy that either, very simple and easy bit to print on spec sheets not like "unlocked" or "Multiplier 13-48" takes up such vast space it's prohibitive. So I acknowledge that as part true and I already considered that, however I still believe my point is pretty easy to prove or substantiate as well.

 

[cdawall]

Sure I understood what you meant. You just said "device", which annoyed me. An iPhone is a device. A drill is a device. A server farm is not a device.

It is just a really big device.

I have no idea about this, but do those companies rebuild their farms that often? Do they upgrade all the CPU's say in the new server farm in northern Sweden whenever there's a new generation out? Again, honest question as I have no idea.

Depends on company a lot of what I have seen come out of oil company machines are ES and QS parts so they are always the absolute latest.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Meh, maybe partially true, but don't totally buy that either, very simple and easy bit to print on spec sheets not like "unlocked" or "Multiplier 13-48" takes up such vast space it's prohibitive. So I acknowledge that as part true and I already considered that, however I still believe my point is pretty easy to prove or substantiate as well.

Just giving you the rationale behind ark's pithy info. Kindof annoying at times, I agree, but oh well - such is the price of being an enthusiast...