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Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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Still waiting for that out of bulldozer...
I wouldn't hold my breath.![Smile :) :)](https://tpucdn.com/forums/data/assets/smilies/smile-v1.gif)
I wouldn't hold my breath.
![Smile :) :)](https://tpucdn.com/forums/data/assets/smilies/smile-v1.gif)
Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Likely, but it will be peanuts to get better yields and better clocking CPUs. It's very normal and is essentially what Intel's been doing ever since they released something on 14nm. Small IPC gains, small clock bumps, nothing extraordinary.
System Name | Current Rig (updated) |
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Processor | i7 4770k @ 4.3ghz ( 1.2v) |
Motherboard | MSI GAMING G45 Z87 |
Cooling | Corsair H80i |
Memory | 16GB Gskill Ripjaws DDR3 1866 |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte G1 GAMING GTX 1080 |
Storage | Samsung EVO 850 250GB SSD, Seagate barracuda HD 1TB, Mushkin Reactor 480GB SSD |
Display(s) | Dell 27" IPS 1440p 144hz Gsync |
Case | Thermaltake armor |
Audio Device(s) | Integrated |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 850 |
Mouse | Razor Naga |
Keyboard | Razor Death Adder |
Software | Win 10 64 bit |
System Name | White DJ in Detroit |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5600 |
Motherboard | Asrock B450M-HDV |
Cooling | Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2 |
Memory | 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319 |
Storage | Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB |
Display(s) | Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x v3 |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | Rimworld 4K ready! |
So basically it is better at calculations and crunching, but still beaten soundly in other areas.
The AMD pre-emptive disappointment in this thread is thick. Let's wait and see how it fairs before we start shooting Zen down.
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Of course it's like asking someone to ditch their iPhone or Galaxy/Note for a lowly one plus 3.Intel will continue to do whatever it wants, at least in the retail market, and people deserve the marginal increment in performance and the high prices.
When the first AOTS benchmark came out, many where laughing at Zen.
Then Blender came out and many where saying that Blender was fixed to make AMD look good. Those "AMD" commands in Blender's source code where perfect.
At 13th we saw one more presentation and still it wasn't enough for many.
Now that things look even more promising, many are demanding for the 8 core / 16 threads model 4.0GHZ and prices that are ridiculous for a 16 threads cpu model. Prices that, if you ask them in a private message to sell you their 6 core / 12 threads second hand Intel processor at those prices, they will just block you so to never bother them again.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Intel will continue to do whatever it wants, at least in the retail market, and people deserve the marginal increment in performance and the high prices.
When the first AOTS benchmark came out, many where laughing at Zen.
Then Blender came out and many where saying that Blender was fixed to make AMD look good. Those "AMD" commands in Blender's source code where perfect.
At 13th we saw one more presentation and still it wasn't enough for many.
Now that things look even more promising, many are demanding for the 8 core / 16 threads model 4.0GHZ and prices that are ridiculous for a 16 threads cpu model. Prices that, if you ask them in a private message to sell you their 6 core / 12 threads second hand Intel processor at those prices, they will just block you so to never bother them again.
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
E....nope. Not really. I have said that before. Not every system on the planet is based on a 6950X and a new Nvidia Titan X. Why does AMD need to win over Intel single thread performance? Is SuperPi the only important software on the planet? AMD only needs to offer valid alternatives at better value, not better alternatives at better value at the same time. System builders, OEMs and big companies are not stupid and they are not fanboys. If AMD is offering a valid alternative they will buy it, they will have two suppliers of CPUs and they will be able to negotiate better deals not only with AMD but also Intel.Well, to see whether Zen is actually good, all we need is to see single core performance. It it's better than intel in a comparable power envelope, then we'll know Zen is not Bulldozer 2.0. Imho, Zen will actually need to soundly beat intel, otherwise they'll be back to convincing system builders they need to look at their CPUs, just as they did with AthlonXP.
Also, it's quite telling that you think we actually have numbers on our hands. We have stuff coming out of leaks and presentations, which is not the same thing. I've said it before, when AMD flopped, they were careful not to leak anything before the actual launch, so them leaking numbers now is a good sign. But do not take the numbers seen so far without a pinch of salt.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
E....nope. Not really. I have said that before. Not every system on the planet is based on a 6950X and a new Nvidia Titan X. Why does AMD need to win over Intel single thread performance? Is SuperPi the only important software on the planet? AMD only needs to offer valid alternatives at better value, not better alternatives at better value at the same time.
System builders, OEMs and big companies are not stupid and they are not fanboys. If AMD is offering a valid alternative they will buy it, they will have two suppliers of CPUs and they will be able to negotiate better deals not only with AMD but also Intel.
Anyway. Again I am amazed how eager people are to find excuses to discredit AMD's hardware. The next thing I am going to read is that the Wraith cooler is too damn silent and a system running Ryzen doesn't... sound powerful enough(when the Harrier airplane came out, people where not impressed with it because it was landing on aircraft carriers extremely softly compared to the airplanes used before it by the Royal Navy(I don't remember the model)).
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
What a waste of time. You have already made up your mind anyway and you just ignore parts of my post that are not convenient to you. At least you are not taking preliminary figures as hard, you are just absolutely confident that the whole Rysen presentation was a "little more than smoke and mirrors". Nothing more to post here.
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Oh come on, stop trolling around. You quoted me first. post #184Umm, who quoted who first, ignoring that meat of the post and bolding just the part clearly marked with "imho"?
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Ah, reading comprehension challenged. That explains it, sorry.Oh come on, stop trolling around. You quoted me first. post #184
System Name | YautjaLord |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900x @ 3700MHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme rev. 1.1 |
Cooling | EK-XE360mm front/SE360mm top/3xVardar 120mm top/3xbe quiet! Light Wings 120mm High Speed PWM/etc.... |
Memory | HyperX Predator 4x8GB 4000MHz @ 4000MHz |
Video Card(s) | 1xGigabyte RTX 3080 Master 10GB rev. 3.0 (watercooled) |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (system)/Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe (system) |Samsung T7 Shield 1TB USB Type-C |
Display(s) | LG 27GN950-B 4k IPS 1ms 144Hz HDR |
Case | be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev. 2 Black/Orange |
Audio Device(s) | Integrated |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200 |
Mouse | Dragonwar ELE-G4.1 laser gaming mouse 9500dpi |
Keyboard | Corsair K60 Pro Low Profile |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H2 |
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |
System Name | YautjaLord |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900x @ 3700MHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme rev. 1.1 |
Cooling | EK-XE360mm front/SE360mm top/3xVardar 120mm top/3xbe quiet! Light Wings 120mm High Speed PWM/etc.... |
Memory | HyperX Predator 4x8GB 4000MHz @ 4000MHz |
Video Card(s) | 1xGigabyte RTX 3080 Master 10GB rev. 3.0 (watercooled) |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (system)/Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe (system) |Samsung T7 Shield 1TB USB Type-C |
Display(s) | LG 27GN950-B 4k IPS 1ms 144Hz HDR |
Case | be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev. 2 Black/Orange |
Audio Device(s) | Integrated |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200 |
Mouse | Dragonwar ELE-G4.1 laser gaming mouse 9500dpi |
Keyboard | Corsair K60 Pro Low Profile |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H2 |
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |
System Name | YautjaLord |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5900x @ 3700MHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme rev. 1.1 |
Cooling | EK-XE360mm front/SE360mm top/3xVardar 120mm top/3xbe quiet! Light Wings 120mm High Speed PWM/etc.... |
Memory | HyperX Predator 4x8GB 4000MHz @ 4000MHz |
Video Card(s) | 1xGigabyte RTX 3080 Master 10GB rev. 3.0 (watercooled) |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (system)/Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe (system) |Samsung T7 Shield 1TB USB Type-C |
Display(s) | LG 27GN950-B 4k IPS 1ms 144Hz HDR |
Case | be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev. 2 Black/Orange |
Audio Device(s) | Integrated |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200 |
Mouse | Dragonwar ELE-G4.1 laser gaming mouse 9500dpi |
Keyboard | Corsair K60 Pro Low Profile |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H2 |
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |
Processor | Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan |
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Motherboard | Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code |
Cooling | 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5 |
Display(s) | Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K |
Case | Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850w Platinum Series |
Mouse | Logitech G604s |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Rapidfire |
Software | Windows 11 x64 Professional |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670 |
Congrats on making it into a Linus Tech Tips video!I'll believe it when I see it from independent testing. AMD is the king of "hype leading to disappointment".