Windows 10 KB3213986 Update Cripples Multi-monitor Gaming

Slizzo · Jan 11, 2017

Solidstate89 said:
Wow, it's even a known bug. I'm actually amazed they shipped it out with such a serious known bug as that.

In the grand scheme of things, people that meet these three requirements are in the very, very small minority:

1. Game
2. Have more than one monitor
3. Have Windows 10

TheGuruStud · Jan 11, 2017

Hood said:
They hate that everyone else is making serious money off PC gaming, while they're making chump change from kids with Xbox...

And they want to ruin PC gaming in hope you buy an Xbox. What flawed logic they have.

Vulkan being standard can't come soon enough.

TheinsanegamerN · Jan 11, 2017

TheGuruStud said:
And they want to ruin PC gaming in hope you buy an Xbox. What flawed logic they have.

Vulkan being standard can't come soon enough.

I wouldnt hold your breath. Vulkan will be just as standard as open GL is. So far, the only devs to use it are the guys at ID (who were the only ones using open GL) and the guys who made the talos principle, and DOTA 2.

HM_Actua1 · Jan 11, 2017

I haven't had any issues since this patch. just ran several games in Fscreen as I always do.

cyneater · Jan 11, 2017

Slizzo said:
In the grand scheme of things, people that meet these three requirements are in the very, very small minority:

1. Game
2. Have more than one monitor
3. Have Windows 10

Whats the point of a PC with one monitor :S ....

eidairaman1 · Jan 11, 2017

Go to www. Askwoody.com for info on Windows patches that are breaking W10/ 8.1/ 7

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Jan 11, 2017

P4-630 said:
There aren't DX12 only games coming soon anyway

Gears of War Ultimate edition, Star wars Battlefront, Rise of the tomb raider, Hitman, The division, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, BF1, all beg to differ with you. And both GoW games are DX12 only IIRC.

eidairaman1 · Jan 11, 2017

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Gears of War Ultimate edition, Star wars Battlefront, Rise of the tomb raider, Hitman, The division, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, BF1, all beg to differ with you. And both GoW games are DX12 only IIRC.

did you ever get your dad's rig fixed?

kylee · Jan 11, 2017

This is why you break Automatic Updates in Win10.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Jan 11, 2017

eidairaman1 said:
did you ever get your dad's rig fixed?

This is off topic for this discussion but really quickly; no not yet. I havent had the opportunity to try the video card swap. Been too busy with RL stuff going on. My grandfather in and out of the hospital, work, my girlfriends mom is in the hopital. By the time i do get any spare time, i just wanna relax and not doing anything. Im hoping here soon though and I will update my thread accordingly when I get around to it.

dyonoctis · Jan 11, 2017

At some point ppl will have to jump on win 10 tho. Apparently microsoft's plan is to endlessy update win 10. A brand new windows 11 isn't going to happen. If we keep screaming hard enough, they might redo the update system, and give an option to destroy cortana (the education version of 10 doesn't have cortana at all, so...)

MattWeiler · Jan 12, 2017

Slizzo said:
In the grand scheme of things, people that meet these three requirements are in the very, very small minority:

1. Game
2. Have more than one monitor
3. Have Windows 10

My main PC just got this update last night and right after, my primary monitor began showing constant artifacting... just in regular Windows, looking at the desktop.

So this issue doesn't seem to be limited to while gaming or in a fullscreen application.

I ran a system restore but the issue somehow remained. I haven't installed anything else in weeks and my graphics drivers have been up to date for at least 1 week.

Now I disabled my 2nd monitor and the problem went away.
I installed the update again and while I only have 1 monitor enabled, it's fine.

But this is not acceptable, a lot of people have multi-monitor setups these days.

Frick · Jan 12, 2017

MattWeiler said:
My main PC just got this update last night and right after, my primary monitor began showing constant artifacting... just in regular Windows, looking at the desktop.

So this issue doesn't seem to be limited to while gaming or in a fullscreen application.

I ran a system restore but the issue somehow remained. I haven't installed anything else in weeks and my graphics drivers have been up to date for at least 1 week.

Now I disabled my 2nd monitor and the problem went away.
I installed the update again and while I only have 1 monitor enabled, it's fine.

But this is not acceptable, a lot of people have multi-monitor setups these days.

I have the update now, and I just spent some time playing games on one monitor and watching youtube and doing other stuff on the other, and I had no issues at all actually.

MattWeiler · Jan 12, 2017

Frick said:
I have the update now, and I just spent some time playing games on one monitor and watching youtube and doing other stuff on the other, and I had no issues at all actually.

Glad to hear it

There must be more to my, and others, setups that are causing us grief.

I hope yours keeps working.

MattWeiler · Jan 12, 2017

Ok, so I was able to get my mult-monitor system working correctly again.
I just uninstalled the official AMD drivers, and the full software suit that comes with it, and then let Windows automatically install drivers for my graphics card.

Now both monitors work and I played a few games on 1 screen, in fullscreen mode, and it worked fine.

I don't really play the latest games anymore, so I probably don't really need the latest AMD drivers... I can probably live with the Microsoft hosted/provided drivers.

P4-630 · Jan 12, 2017

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Gears of War Ultimate edition, Star wars Battlefront, Rise of the tomb raider, Hitman, The division, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, BF1, all beg to differ with you. And both GoW games are DX12 only IIRC.

Ok then, not the games I play anyway.

Shou Miko · Jan 12, 2017

still one more reason I only have one screen connected to my computer and another reason I can't figure out to use more than one screen properly :roll:

Plus I forgot to say that, if I update after Anniversary update I loose most of my 100mbit in download on my computer

lexluthermiester · Jan 12, 2017

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Gears of War Ultimate edition, Star wars Battlefront, Rise of the tomb raider, Hitman, The division, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, BF1, all beg to differ with you. And both GoW games are DX12 only IIRC.

Actually, that is incorrect. I have SWBattlefront, The Division and Deus Ex Mankind Divided. I am running Windows 7 which, for the moment, is DX11. All run perfectly. I have friends who own Rise of the Tomb Raider and BF1 are all running Windows 7 as well. Forza and the GOW games are the only ones you mentioned that are locked to 10. Oh well, their loss.

None of us are foolish enough to run Windows 10 and for these exact reasons. Most of us[in this circle of friends] would rather stop playing games altogether than play "the Microsoft way". And we are not alone. I buy most of my games on GOG anyway as I personally HATE, LOATH and DESPISE DRM of any kind...

Edit; Every one of us are running two, three or four screens. So yah..

ChristTheGreat · Jan 12, 2017

P4-630 said:
That's what I have been saying as well, I will wait at least another year if not longer before I jump on the W10 train....
Windows 10, it's sad that's what it is till now, it's simply an unreliable OS for now! Who knows what will get borked again in a next update!
It's just stupid!

I'm still happy with my stable, problem free Windows 8.1!
There aren't DX12 only games coming soon anyway, you can still run the games in DX11.

umm unreliable? I've been on Windows 10 since day one, works really well, even at work. (I do have 9 computer on Windows 10).

AS for BETA, this makes me laught. I hope you don't install BETA driver from nVidia or AMD. Oh wait, nVidia WHQL driver can be BETA as it has already crashed system or even card.

(please don't hate me

)

P4-630 · Jan 12, 2017

ChristTheGreat said:
I hope you don't install BETA driver from nVidia or AMD.

I never install any beta software.

Well if you read the forums here, many people on win10 had/have problems/complaints after new updates on windows 10.

Consider yourself lucky then....

rtwjunkie · Jan 12, 2017

Evildead666 said:
As I understand it, there is at least one game coming out this year, that requires the Anniversary update to run.
Its due to the DRM updates in the Anniversary update.
can't remember what the game was though....i'll try and find it again.

edit : Gears of War 4 and Halo 5 are stated (after v quick google search) as requiring the Anniversary update on Win10, to run. Not sure if they are available on lower Windows versions or not....

edit2 : GoW4 will be Win10 Anniversary update as minimum spec... (http://news.xbox.com/2016/08/16/gears-war-4-in-4k-and-system-specs-revealed/)

edit3 : Same with Halo 5 : Forge. (https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/halo-5-forge-system-requirements)

I can see a whole bevvy of new games coming out this year that will be Win10/Anniversary update as minimum.....

I don't think a "whole bevvy". It looks like Microsoft Studio games, so we should be ok, those of us that are purposely still on 1511 and the others that never went upgrade to any version of W10.

qubit said:
This should be enough to get the conspiracy theorists suggesting that Microsoft is intentionally crippling multi-monitor support in fullscreen mode since games sold on the Microsoft Store all work in the pseudo-fullscreen mode...

Or it could just be an idiotic bug that will be fixed in time.

What else could it be? You honestly believe that MS, that scoops up some of the finest talent on the planet can constantly be screwing up this badly? My nose smells something afoot with them, I just don't know what.

@CrAsHnBuRnXp Star wars Battlefront, Rise of the tomb raider, Hitman, The division, Deus Ex Mankind Divided which you listed as DX12 only, which is what @P4-630 was talking about all have DX11 mode as well, and are all playable pre-W10. In fact, Rise of The Tomb Raider and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided had DX12 option added in later as a patch.

qubit · Jan 12, 2017

rtwjunkie said:
What else could it be? You honestly believe that MS, that scoops up some of the finest talent on the planet can constantly be screwing up this badly? My nose smells something afoot with them, I just don't know what.

Hey maybe, I wouldn't rule it out, but imho it's still just a regular bug.

bug · Jan 12, 2017

P4-630 said:
I never install any beta software.

Well if you read the forums here, many people on win10 had/have problems/complaints after new updates on windows 10.

Consider yourself lucky then....

It all comes down to your interpretation of "many".
You do see several threads started by people having problems, that's true, but what would happen if people that don't see a problem start posting as well?

rtwjunkie · Jan 12, 2017

bug said:
It all comes down to your interpretation of "many".
You do see several threads started by people having problems, that's true, but what would happen if people that don't see a problem start posting as well?

Well, if we are talking about the Anniversary update, then it's warranted, and not just a few people. A plague of problems with that were awash over the internutz, and even documented as fact by reputable tech-oriented sites and magazines.

Slizzo · Jan 12, 2017

MattWeiler said:
My main PC just got this update last night and right after, my primary monitor began showing constant artifacting... just in regular Windows, looking at the desktop.

So this issue doesn't seem to be limited to while gaming or in a fullscreen application.

I ran a system restore but the issue somehow remained. I haven't installed anything else in weeks and my graphics drivers have been up to date for at least 1 week.

Now I disabled my 2nd monitor and the problem went away.
I installed the update again and while I only have 1 monitor enabled, it's fine.

But this is not acceptable, a lot of people have multi-monitor setups these days.

Still, we are the vocal, very small minority of people who both have Windows 10, and have more than one monitor.

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