AMD Ryzen 1700X, 1600X & 1300 Benchmarks Leaked

[nemesis.ie]

Intel: "And we would have got away with too if it weren't for you pesky AMD folks."

 

[eidairaman1]

pissing match

 

[rruff]

I'm not sure why everyone is so stuck on today. Sure, there aren't many apps that are optimized for more than a couple threads. But could that be because more than 4 cores have been relatively prohibitively expensive for the majority of people for the last several years?

If you are going to complain about the number of cores in Ryzen, you may as well complain about cars that have more than 200hp because most speed limits are under 65mph / 100kmh.

Nah, it's because most CPU tasks are difficult to parallelize. Forget 4 threads, most will only run at single thread speed. If you are running a bunch of hungry apps simultaneously, or one of those rare tasks that can be efficiently split, then the more threads the better. But reality makes the single thread speed super important most of the time. That isn't going to change.

The better analogy would be a race car where you worry about how many cylinders the engine has, rather than how long it takes to complete the course.

 

[notb]

Intel did know, they are a little concerned. Intel has too much market share, too much money, and too many CPUs. They are clearly concerned with the sudden announcement during these rumors about an unlocked i3 chip, possible i5 with HyperThreading (which is stupid), and two new SKUs for Kaby Lake this early. But nothing is stopping Intel from lower the price of older gen chips to compete over price even if AMD is faster than those chips.

To me the i3 -K chip is just totally pointless. It's designed for people with small budget that want to try out OC more than anything else. As such I'm really to old and lazy to be excited. Problem is: IMO I'm representing the market quite well in this regard.
There was a time when everyone was overclocking and AMD was the CPU brand of choice. Older forum users will remember processors like the Athlon XP 1700+. We were all fascinated by it's abilities. Back then you didn't just order a CPU - you looked for the best series, because they had different OC characteristics. And it was way before large tower coolers or factory-bilt watercooling became so popular. People were actually making watercooling sets from things they got at a home improvement supply shop and they were leaking all the time.

Just think how much this whole market matured since then. Overclocking used to be an adventure that lured us all. Every page of PC part manuals told you that overclocking is pure evil and that you'll almost surely be killed if you try it. And now it's 2017: motherboards have auto overclocking modes doing everything for you, while efficient factory-built watercooling solutions are easier to get than a fresh croissant on Sunday.
I admit the current Intel offer isn't perfect, but is this cheap OC-friendly CPU what we actually need?

And since you don't know that Intel has been price hiking because they had no competition.....well that. AMD will not be losing any money at these prices. Intel has just been over charging for years.

Honestly, I don't see this. Intel is (clearly) overcharging for the LGA 2011 processors (the socket itself being just a way to suck more cash on "specialized" motherboards etc), but as far as I can remember the prices in "consumer" segment looked pretty much the same. Under $100 for a decent entry-level gaming/multimedia CPU and around $200-400 for something that will work well for the next 3-5 years. So I would say the pricing for everything for LGA 1151 seems right (or what I would expect). AMD has always been the cheaper company, so it's not like Intel will drop prices just because AMD offers the same for 10% less.

Truth be told, software requirements slowed down lately and Intel took advantage of that concentrating more on power efficiency. Let's remember the problems for AMD started not because they couldn't match Intel's most powerful CPUs, but because they totally lost the battle for notebooks.
And even now we don't see much information about Ryzen mobile versions. So what is AMD hoping to achieve other than maybe regaining a few % market share coming from high-end gaming desktops?

 

[rruff]

And even now we don't see much information about Ryzen mobile versions. So what is AMD hoping to achieve other than maybe regaining a few % market share coming from high-end gaming desktops?

Since AMD has gotten to be a pretty small company, they have to pick their battles.

Ryzen isn't going to beat 7700k gaming. The real strength will be applications that use the extra threads. I don't know if you noticed, but AMD has announced a full consumer lineup starting at $129. Server chips shouldn't be too far behind.

 

[HD64G]

I can already see many people trying to downplay the big achievement of AMD Ryzen being very close in IPC to the last 2 gens of Intel's CPUs. Not a good sign of them being smart customers. And signs are that the X models will overclock up to 5GHz on air, so the gamers won't be dissappointed either from Ryzen if leaks are genuine.

 

[efikkan]

And people keeps pretending they know the chip's IPC without sufficient data… These CPUs have XFR, so this has to be disabled if you want to measure IPC, I'm sure someone will do this after the release.

Ryzen will have ~33% higher peak integer throughput per clock, so it will perform well in certain benchmarks, but always remember that pre-release benchmarks are always cherry-picked. We'll have to see how good the rest of the chip is; the front end, cache, etc.

 

[kruk]

... but always remember that pre-release benchmarks are always cherry-picked.

I agree with your XFR hypothesis, but it's really hard to believe leaked benchmarks are cherry picked. I mean, isn't Cinebench a FPU heavy benchmark? And that is all that is floating around these days. Think about it ...

 

[EarthDog]

I can already see many people trying to downplay the big achievement of AMD Ryzen being very close in IPC to the last 2 gens of Intel's CPUs. Not a good sign of them being smart customers. And signs are that the X models will overclock up to 5GHz on air, so the gamers won't be dissappointed either from Ryzen if leaks are genuine.

Where are those signs? I've heard a sign I trust (person) say that it reached 5.7-5.8 on ln2 so far... if that is true, that doesn't bode well for 5ghz daily clocks, especially on air.

Here's to hoping he's wrong and it scales better for the extreme guys, and reaches mid 4ghz+ for the rest!

 

[nemesis.ie]

Canard PC mentioned 5GHz on a single core, on air, I believe. I think that was also an ES sample with the power/XFR stuff not enabled.

They also mention the VRMs of the used board to not be up to the job of powering more than one core ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5l33or/canard_pc_confirms_5_ghz_ryzen_oc_only_on_1_core/

 

[EarthDog]

Thank you!

That doesn't bode well either... single core??? Not a daily situation there...

And they didn't show squat at ces...

 

[Patriot]

I agree with your XFR hypothesis, but it's really hard to believe leaked benchmarks are cherry picked. I mean, isn't Cinebench a FPU heavy benchmark? And that is all that is floating around these days. Think about it ...

Meh, Cinebench is Intel compiler optimized...
If anything it shines poorly on AMD rigs in general.

 

[lilunxm12]

Why is i5 with hyper threading still a stupid idea?

They recently gave it to pentiums, making clock speed the only difference from 3mb cache i3's, and are just about to face an onslaught of amd chips with more than 4 threads in the i5's price bracket

AVX and AES are exclusive to core i series (except server oriented J series). That could be a big difference for some users. HT-enabled i5 and normal i7 do not have such significant difference.

 

[moproblems99]

Friend, we've been waiting on the 'core revolution' since q6600. Even now, a native quad is plenty for most...

I agree to a point. The world is not about need. Again, if that was the case, everyone would have Ford Escorts and VW Jettas because that is plenty.

The difference here is that we MAY be getting Corvettes for the price of Escorts.

 

[EarthDog]

Exactly my point. Everyone has wood over Moar cores...which for most aren't really used past 4c/8t. It's nice to have, undoubtedly, even better if you can use them. I feel these are going to be around 5-10% slower IPC over BW-e. That is great for amd and certainly plenty to put them back in the game, particularly at the reported price points. But the amount of cores really won't matter much if you already have a 4c8/t cpu.

 

[cdawall]

Exactly my point. Everyone has wood over Moar cores...which for most aren't really used past 4c/8t. It's nice to have, undoubtedly, even better if you can use them. I feel these are going to be around 5-10% slower IPC over BW-e. That is great for amd and certainly plenty to put them back in the game, particularly at the reported price points. But the amount of cores really won't matter much if you already have a 4c8/t cpu.

So you are in the same boat as me ivy bridge e like performance...

 

[efikkan]

Meh, Cinebench is Intel compiler optimized...
If anything it shines poorly on AMD rigs in general.

What do you mean by "Intel compiler optimized"?
Zen is quite different from Bulldozer, so it should scale differently. Zen seems even "better" than Intel in terms of superscalar abilities, with 4 ALUs and 2 FPUs (seemingly) on separate execution ports, while Intel have three ports with combined ALUs and FPUs. So there will be certain fairly well written software that scales slightly better on "better" superscalar CPUs, giving Zen an edge. Unfortunately most software wouldn't.

 

[zo0lykas]

RRRRryyyyyyZZEeeeeEEnnnn !!!!

 

[TheGuruStud]

What do you mean by "Intel compiler optimized"?
Zen is quite different from Bulldozer, so it should scale differently. Zen seems even "better" than Intel in terms of superscalar abilities, with 4 ALUs and 2 FPUs (seemingly) on separate execution ports, while Intel have three ports with combined ALUs and FPUs. So there will be certain fairly well written software that scales slightly better on "better" superscalar CPUs, giving Zen an edge. Unfortunately most software wouldn't.

http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49 This was how most (if not virtually all) things ran before. It was intentional.

Using old code paths means lower performance.

 

[Vlada011]

Now we will see why X99 platform was smarter decision.
Because i7-6700K and i7-7700K overclocked will not be able to reach even Ryzen 5 in multi threaded application.
Price and value of Maxmus Extreme and Formula will be reduced significantly.


From other side our 3 years old platform is still alive and we need only CPU change for same or more performance than premium AMD.
Intel x86 domination is over but Intel have space to delay Skylake Xtreme and optimize him nicely and in mean time to start production of Intel i7-6900K and i7-6950X with reduced price.
For 400 and 700$ they will sell 100.000 processors. Their performance improvements after OC is up to 40%.
Many owners have chipset and premium motherboards and memory and need only better CPU.
Owners of i7-5820K, i7-5930K, i7-6800K and i7-6850K will have chance to install 8 and 10 cores.
Better to change only CPU than whole platform. Price of Rampage series will stay similar because they work and with Intel Xeon with far more cores.
We are even in better position, Quad Channel memory and after overclocking Cache frequency our performance will be better than AMD.
We will see... Everything is possible. I vote for delay of Skylake Xtreme and production of 8 and 10 cores Broadwell-EX with competitive price with AMD.

Aaaaa... Haahahaaaa
I'm very smart, Intel could put me as manager I will work on destroying AMDs hype sending performance of overclocked i7-6900K and i7-6950X and their price on Newegg will be
450$ and 650$... Intel X99 re-birth and stabb AMDs Ryzen from back. Name of Topic...
After 3 years STILL DOMINATE Intel Wellsburg - X99 with i7-6900K and i7-6950X.

And that's full experience, it's not only competitive CPU performance, offer everything as newest AMD chipset and more, NVMe, USB 3.1 Gen 2, SATA Express, Quad Channel, faster DDR4, overclocking Cache Frequency, and what customers love most overclocking CPU, performance improvements up to 40% after OC i7-6900K and i7-6950X.

 

[m1dg3t]

Thread need some LoLoLoLs

just one word, IDIOT

Don't be 'that' guy

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Now we will see why X99 platform was smarter decision.
Because i7-6700K and i7-7700K overclocked will not be able to reach even Ryzen 5 in multi threaded application.
Price and value of Maxmus Extreme and Formula will be reduced significantly.


From other side our 3 years old platform is still alive and we need only CPU change for same or more performance than premium AMD.
Intel x86 domination is over but Intel have space to delay Skylake Xtreme and optimize him nicely and in mean time to start production of Intel i7-6900K and i7-6950X with reduced price.
For 400 and 700$ they will sell 100.000 processors. Their performance improvements after OC is up to 40%.
Many owners have chipset and premium motherboards and memory and need only better CPU.
Owners of i7-5820K, i7-5930K, i7-6800K and i7-6850K will have chance to install 8 and 10 cores.
Better to change only CPU than whole platform. Price of Rampage series will stay similar because they work and with Intel Xeon with far more cores.
We are even in better position, Quad Channel memory and after overclocking Cache frequency our performance will be better than AMD.
We will see... Everything is possible. I vote for delay of Skylake Xtreme and production of 8 and 10 cores Broadwell-EX with competitive price with AMD.

Aaaaa... Haahahaaaa
I'm very smart, Intel could put me as manager I will work on destroying AMDs hype sending performance of overclocked i7-6900K and i7-6950X and their price on Newegg will be
450$ and 650$... Intel X99 re-birth and stabb AMDs Ryzen from back. Name of Topic...
After 3 years STILL DOMINATE Intel Wellsburg - X99 with i7-6900K and i7-6950X.

And that's full experience, it's not only competitive CPU performance, offer everything as newest AMD chipset and more, NVMe, USB 3.1 Gen 2, SATA Express, Quad Channel, faster DDR4, overclocking Cache Frequency, and what customers love most overclocking CPU, performance improvements up to 40% after OC i7-6900K and i7-6950X.

Delusional....

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Let's remember the problems for AMD started not because they couldn't match Intel's most powerful CPUs, but because they totally lost the battle for notebooks. And even now we don't see much information about Ryzen mobile versions. So what is AMD hoping to achieve other than maybe regaining a few % market share coming from high-end gaming desktops?

Ironically entry level notebooks is the one market AMD still has a solid presence in. The APUs there have been doing ok. The issue is AMD lost in every single other market. Server space, high-end performance, mid-range desktops, professional PC market, etc. AMD lost respect because they could not compete with the higher end market space. Reviews, word of mouth, advertisement, etc. all steam from Intel being able to say without question they were the best you could buy. "We are less expensive" was not going to cut it especially when their chips use more energy. The high-end gamer market is more like a proving ground if you will. Can you hold your own in a market that really only cares about performance, will push everything to the limit, and will enjoy dissecting where the weaknesses are. IF that turns out well then AMD will have third-party material to back their claims.

AMD doesn't care about selling a few thousand chips to people like me and you. But if we can provided them the "proof" that their chips are exactly what they say, then they will be in a better position to renegotiate their console contracts, better position to sell 100K+ chips to a server hosting service, and enter markets like mid and high-end laptops and tablets.

 

[Relayer]

IF the leaks are true what will Intel do? I don't think they can compete on price. AMD has a much lower overhead and Intel shareholders aren't going to be happy if they just cut their profits that dramatically.

 

[Vlada011]

IF the leaks are true what will Intel do? I don't think they can compete on price. AMD has a much lower overhead and Intel shareholders aren't going to be happy if they just cut their profits that dramatically.

Why you think Intel will not be happy if price drop? They charge much more than real value and they have huge profit even if they ask 800$ for i7-6950X and 500$ for i7-6900K.
That's almost as they didn't change nothing from previous years. They usually ask 1000$ for Xtreme... this year they have chance for 700$ more per Processor. Such profit give them oportunity to drop price later. Intel could sell a lot of Broadwell-EX if drop price, they could start again production and sell one more circle for lower price and don't need to launch nothing in premium segment next 18 months, until Skylake Xtreme is not ready.
Customers will be very satisfied and happy to see that same chipset old almost 3 years give them opportunity to beat AMD premium Ryzen.
People love such things when life time of one generation is longer, no situation or feature where AMD is in advantage to Broadwell-EX.
OK Intel don't need to sell only 8 and 10 cores. Whole Broadwell-EX line price will drop...
Example 200, 280, 450 and 800$. And they are in game, prices are only little reduced compare to Nehalem, Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E and Haswell-E, just little.

I will not allow you to enjoy in Ryzen completely... hahahaa hahahaa.