Editorial AMD's Ryzen Debut: Onwards to the HEDT Market or The Stumbling Hype Train

[phanbuey]

This is what I'm wondering about the 4 core / 8 thread CPUs. Will the reduced heat allow for higher clock speeds? We shall see.....

I already have a workstation CPU, and won't be buying the 8 core beasty, but I'll be looking hard at the 4 core Ryzens when they release.

I don't think those are going to perform that well...

Pure speculation here = but it doesn't seem like power/temps are the limiting factor on the core speed right now. In fact they could have packed another set of cores onto the ryzen for a 12 ct that would match the Intel 8c power wise...

 

[YautjaLord]

Crit (Logan, this guy is metalhead of hardware YT reviewers is he? ), Linus & Bitwit reviewed this 1800X beast; DOOM & GTA V @ 2160p/4k in Bitwit's review favor 6900K, though not by much. Also, 1+ to what the54thvoid said - workstation powerhouse with 4k capabilities, just not so uber as expected. I'd still vote with my wallet for both i7 7700K & R7 1800X rigs to see how both trade blows in all games i have + DOOM (later this year) @ 2160p while also running Blender (on both rigs) at the same time.

P.S. Should mention: i also have a sh1t to do in Blender for Carmageddon: Reincarnation & Carmageddon: Max Damage (basically Reincarnation++) plus wanna see how both games play & look @ 4k. Cheers.

 

[Raendor]

"
One thing I did notice is that all the games I have looked at so far -- which is considerably more than the four shown here -- were smooth on the Ryzen processors. GTA 5 for example plays really well on the Core i7-7700K, but every now and then a small stutter can be noticed, while the 1800X runs as smooth as silk, sans stuttering from what I observed.

I found a similar situation when testing Battlefield 1. Performance was smooth with the Ryzen processors while every now and then the quad-core 7700K had a small hiccup. These were rare but it was something I didn't notice when using the 1800X and 1700X. But as smooth as the experience was, it doesn't change the fact that gamers running a high refresh rate monitor may be better served by a higher clocked Core i7-6700K or 7700K."

^^^ This... is so true... i experience this every day.

The intell z170/270 platforms hitch, and then continue bombing along at 200FPS; I would gladly trade avg fps for a hitch free performance.


http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/page7.html

There's no hitch and it must be either something wrong with your setup, OS, connection, etc as I never had single hitch in BF1 on my 6700k and 1080 since the day of its release and never saw a review with such issue in place.

 

[phanbuey]

There's no hitch and it must be either something wrong with your setup, OS, connection, etc as I never had single hitch in BF1 on my 6700k and 1080 since the day of its release and never saw a review with such issue in place.

Well you saw it in a review on a 7700k - and I was sad to see it in my setup...

It could be Gsync, it could be my mobo and some sort of PCI-e / m2 or USB3.1 IO issue - but the hitching is definitely present - subtle but there.

Taking out the m2 ssd reduced it substantially (it was really bad before and coincided with disk access) - dropping down to sata 6 ssd made it better, but its still there -- i suspect its my PCI-E wifi card, but im not willing to give that up.

Either way the 6700K is not consistently smooth on my z170, and ive seen other people mention the same.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

What happened with TPU .... ?

In that specific instance, it was fitting. His frustration had been building since the superb HD5870.

 

[erocker]

Better than Phenom's launch.. I'll wait for Phenom II... Erm.. Ryzen II.

 

[snakefist]

It is not unlike what I've expected - 8 cores / 16 threads; there are uses for that... And gaming isn't the best one. Probably more than half of these cores sits quietly doing nothing, while the rest utilise one thread - and it's probably the best case scenario... Intel still has single thread advantage, and sadly most of today's software doesn't utilise enough cores. Or threads (i7/i5 gaming). Or APUs computing power. Or other useful things.

In software that needs high parallelism, Ryzen shines, especially in price/performance.

Personally, I'm most interested in cheapest 4/4 variant (one going against faster Pentiums and i3) and 4/8 (they say i3, I hope for something more like i5). Yes, and APUs with similar characteristics. How much they OC? What are advantages of 6/8 cores in real-life scenarios - in other words, are those enough? With small price differences, they *should* be a match for Intel offerings. Or adjusted to become that.

People should read the reviews right. Since I don't render things 24/7 and compress video material very rarely, those tests mean little to me. In fact, users who need these features are probably thrilled by performance or at least price/performance.

For me, I look for tests that apply to what I do - there's nothing wrong having everything tested in a review, except they are not equally important for everyone. This batch of tests proves that Ryzen is quite a decent contender, and that models suiting my needs will probably be the same.

 

[VSG]

I disagree with the Facebook post, it's borderline baiting. This article as it is now is fine in my opinion.

 

[Vellinious]

I don't think those are going to perform that well...

Pure speculation here = but it doesn't seem like power/temps are the limiting factor on the core speed right now. In fact they could have packed another set of cores onto the ryzen for a 12 ct that would match the Intel 8c power wise...

I think you're missing the fact that with the smaller processes, in both GPU and CPU, temps are a limiting factor, even if they aren't reaching their "maximum temp" before throttling. Maxwell, Pascal, Broadwell-E, all run better, with lower voltages at the same clocks, at lower temps.

IF, and it's a big if...but IF, that holds true with Ryzen as well, as I suspect it will, then the 4 core / 8 thread processor should have more headroom for overclocking, and thus add to the single core performance to get them closer to their Intel counterparts.

 

[HD64G]

Yes, as it's been rightly pointed out that SMT is the culprit here. This will need another OS hotfix, just like the last one for Piledriver, however SMT gains (outside of games) are greater for AMD in just their first try.

Those gaming results with SMT on and off clearly shows that the way SMT is working in Ryzen benefits only sw made to utilise more than 8 threads while games use up to 8 atm. So, anyone wanting to relax from producing content and turn to gaming can just disable SMT and have the best of both worlds in one PC setup. For the cost of it it is a win for enthusiasts imho. Pure gamers will wait a month and get the 1600X and turn SMT off and have fun. And when multitasking is in program turn it on again.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Very disappointing 1080p Gaming Performance

You need glasses.. Or perhaps learn how to read..

 

[Raendor]

Well you saw it in a review on a 7700k - and I was sad to see it in my setup...

It could be Gsync, it could be my mobo and some sort of PCI-e / m2 or USB3.1 IO issue - but the hitching is definitely present - subtle but there.

Taking out the m2 ssd reduced it substantially (it was really bad before and coincided with disk access) - dropping down to sata 6 ssd made it better, but its still there -- i suspect its my PCI-E wifi card, but im not willing to give that up.

Either way the 6700K is not consistently smooth on my z170, and ive seen other people mention the same.

It could be DX12 (if enabled). As I said, that's the first time I saw someone reporting an issue, trying to relate it to cpu. I never experienced a single hitch in bf1 or cpu usage spikes that could cause it. It was a smooth experience day one with 6700k and 1080 on 1440p gsync monitor, that doesn't save you from hitches if those occur. I'd look for a cause elswhere. Especially now that you've mentioned wifi card.

 

[R0H1T]

Those gaming results with SMT on and off clearly shows that the way SMT is working in Ryzen benefits only sw made to utilise more than 8 threads while games use up to 8 atm. So, anyone wanting to relax from producing content and turn to gaming can just disable SMT and have the best of both worlds in one PC setup. For the cost of it it is a win for enthusiasts imho. Pure gamers will wait a month and get the 1600X and turn SMT off and have fun. And when multitasking is in program turn it on again.

I think, at this point in time, it might just be an OS (scheduler) issue, we'll see if MS provides a quick fix for this.

 

[cadaveca]

Yup, I guess everyone wanted a 5Ghz OC monster with eight channel memory & 60x pcie 4.0 lanes, while we are at it why doesn't AMD pay us to use Ryzen

No, that's not it. I do have Ryzen here, and it isn't bad, its' just not perfect, either.

I just wonder how much Intel pay to you guys ?

oh Gawd, I wish. I've had Ryzen for nearly 48 hours, and I really feel this is BD 2.0, but this time, its actually exciting. Needs more frequency, seems a bit overpriced, but works amazingly well when you need all those cores. When you don't need the cores, the IPC is really close to intel, but Intel is just faster in raw clocks right now. Base speed is low, but so is power consumption, where BD had high power use.

 

[R0H1T]

No, that's not it. I do have Ryzen here, and it isn't bad, its' just not perfect, either.

That is to be expected, a new CPU uarch, better SMT, clocks about the same as BDW-E & needs some OS fixes.
If one needs X99 perks, like quad channel mem or 40x pcie 3.0 lanes, they'll have to shell out a premium. You can't have your cake & eat it too, I suspect Naples could be better in that regard.

 

[ensabrenoir]

I just wonder how much Intel pay to you guys ?

....er.....nothing. No one hates Amd.....a lot of people just get a "ryze" out of trolling the over hpers who acted like Amd are saints who fight for the little guys and their products are the digital next coming or something.

 

[phanbuey]

My wife keeps calling it "Raisin".

 

[qubit]

Since the primary use for my PC is gaming, I'm disappointed with Ryzen and will be sticking with Intel for my next upgrade. It would have been nice to have an 8 core CPU with 16 threads in my rig.

However, AMD has done an incredible job at getting back in the game with Ryzen and should help to keep a lid on Intel prices, so maybe Ryzen 2 will finally be able to beat Intel and become the CPU of choice for us gamers.

Also, is there a chance that the quad core Ryzen 5 CPUs will be cherry overclockers and hence match Intel that way?

@Raevenlord great article as usual and I hope that Ryzen sample isn't delayed much longer for TPU.

 

[zAAm]

I'll be waiting for all the hot-fixes and driver and BIOS updates to come out and then we'll see how it goes.

Since I've had my i7 920 now for going on 9 years, it might pay off to go with more cores just for future proofing vs the 7700K... And let's be honest, even an i5 is fine for most games these days.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So, it ended better than I expected. Except the usual "software needs tuning". Thats one of AMD ages lasting problem with software somehow needed to be fixed or tuned to actually work well with them. Bit irritating. Especially since sometimes software is never actually fixed to work really well with it.. and then you wait and wait. And buy Intel.

Also that single thread leaves something to be desired..

But on positive notes, its fast, its cheap. Only problem is that migrating to this would require me buying new mobo, new ram and new CPU.

Think I will rather move towards X99..

Intel's compiler hasn't changed much neither have their cores so yes they work as expected out of the box, Innovation though takes time and effort, good god why am I skint at the worse times.
Ie all the same time.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

My wife keeps calling it "Raisin".

Hey, don't want to hear about how your wife describes you after you get out of shower!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hey, don't want to hear about how your wife describes you after you get out of shower!

Aww now come on now, that was low...
[pun intended]

 

[Jism]

That is to be expected, a new CPU uarch, better SMT, clocks about the same as BDW-E & needs some OS fixes.
If one needs X99 perks, like quad channel mem or 40x pcie 3.0 lanes, they'll have to shell out a premium. You can't have your cake & eat it too, I suspect Naples could be better in that regard.

Boom. Right in the kisser. So AMD did create a CPU that is able to compete with a twice as expensive Intel CPU. They did a very good job if you ask me. Right back into the game.

I'm going to pick my components this weekend for an AM4 system. I'm convinced. Time to put the 8320 to rest.

 

[qubit]

My wife keeps calling it "Raisin".

haha!

 

[Eroticus]

"This video shows raw benchmarks captured with the AMD Ryzen 1700 (3.9GHz) CPU versus the i7 7700K (5GHz) from Intel. GPU is GTX 1080. For more details on test systems and full review, please refer to my 1700 review."

Almost same fps, and GPU on AM4 board run 4~6*c cooler.