Invading Subscriber Privacy - Senate Says ISPs Can Now Sell Your Data

[rtwjunkie]

oh sory congres or so.

Don't worry about it. He was being nitpicky. Your point was still understood.

 

[Technomancer]

So hypothetically, it's possible for any criminal organizations, say a drug mob, can buy your data legally and can look for potential customer through behavioral analysis of people in a target area. That's reassuring.

Sorry, if my sentence structure is bad as English is not my forte.

 

[notb]

I am baffled by all the naive people in this thread. Knowledge is power, whether you think you have nothing to hide or not. The more corporations know about you the more they can control and manipulate you (and no I am not paranoid). Governments can be hold accountable by the people whereas corporations cannot.

Of course you are.
The "knowledge is power" is an overused generalization - hardly followed by any precise example...

The only thing that a company wants is to sell you their products. As much as manipulative they might be, there is hardly any harm possible. You can always say "no".

How can you even compare this to governments and say that they can be "held accountable by the people"? Have you ever heard about a phenomenon called dictatorship?
Leaving extreme cases aside, even a fairly sensible government can be a threat to your security or lifestyle - simply because you're not their "target" audience (voter).

A government can do a lot more than sell you something. They can actually harm you. They can be unpredictable and irrational.
By comparison, a company is just a pleasure to work with.

 

[rtwjunkie]

The only thing that a company wants is to sell you their products. As much as manipulative they might be, there is hardly any harm possible. You can always say "no".

You are extremely naïve. Companies get hacked and/or sell your data to unscrupulous or criminal parties very frequently. As @Technomancer points out, Mexican drug cartels have bought consumer data. Believe me, you don't want those guys knowing anything about you (some of the most violent criminals on Earth).

 

[alucasa]

Yeh, hell, the whole world is crooked to the Hell.

Just live on. I have matters around me that need more attention than what may or may not happen in some future.

And it is as if you have any real control. Those politicians play by partyline. I don't think they act on their own beliefs. You can vote to have a stake in who gets elected but does it matter?

Again, they play by partyline.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Sure, it's fine when the NSA/CIA illegally collect all of data but when an ISP does it legally then people suddenly care. This is a political issue. If people cared about privacy then they would be marching in the streets against what the NSA and CIA have been doing illegally for years.

You do raise a good point and in part i agree but they also are not the same, intelligence is collected for public safety not For profit.
That distinction matters to me as I'm ok with being safe.
ISP should at least have to have consent imho since it's profit based.

 

[notb]

You are extremely naïve. Companies get hacked and/or sell your data to unscrupulous or criminal parties very frequently. As @Technomancer points out, Mexican drug cartels have bought consumer data. Believe me, you don't want those guys knowing anything about you (some of the most violent criminals on Earth).

Government agencies are also being hacked. What's the difference?
In fact I'm pretty sure large corporations are better defended than public administration in general.

In case of companies you're at least informed, when giving your data, who can use them. If it is passed further, you are protected by law and can sue someone.
Government has a lot of your personal details already and everything can be accessed by thousands of people - some in very rural, hard to control places.

If I was running a mob and wanted to gather information about someone, I would not even think about hacking a company. I would simply bribe someone in tax/revenue agency - they tend to know the most. And you know what? I think mobsters are intelligent enough to get the same idea, so they most likely did.

Moreover, I think your approach is heavily biased because you live in US - a very specific country. US government officially knows fairly little about its citizens. You don't even have an ID, which means that formally your country doesn't even know how many Americans there are.
That's exactly why it's such a big thing now that FBI wants to get access to some client databases.

Outside of US it's usually the government who knows the most about you.

 

[wiyosaya]

So hypothetically, it's possible for any criminal organizations, say a drug mob, can buy your data legally and can look for potential customer through behavioral analysis of people in a target area. That's reassuring.

Sorry, if my sentence structure is bad as English is not my forte.

Yes, you are correct. People voted for the ruling party in the US on the basis that they and their presidential candidate stood for the little guy. If any of those voters have any sense, IMO, and actually follow the news, this, if anything, should tell those who voted for that party on that basis that that party DOES NOT stand for the little guy. In point of fact, they are clueless about what they are doing. My bet is that the next congressional election turns things in a different direction. People will tire of getting burned by the party of big business.

The one thing in this is the ability to sell US residents social security numbers. That can, and if it is true and passed, will likely lead to massive identity theft.

People thought that this party deserved another chance. This, IMO, will be their last chance as they are likely to get trounced in the next congressional and presidential elections. Hillary was an angel in comparison to what these clowns are doing to our country.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Yes, you are correct. People voted for the ruling party in the US on the basis that they and their presidential candidate stood for the little guy. If any of those voters have any sense, IMO, and actually follow the news, this, if anything, should tell those who voted for that party on that basis that that party DOES NOT stand for the little guy. In point of fact, they are clueless about what they are doing. My bet is that the next congressional election turns things in a different direction. People will tire of getting burned by the party of big business.

The one thing in this is the ability to sell US residents social security numbers. That can, and if it is true and passed, will likely lead to massive identity theft.

People thought that this party deserved another chance. This, IMO, will be their last chance as they are likely to get trounced in the next congressional and presidential elections. Hillary was an angel in comparison to what these clowns are doing to our country.

Thanks for throwing in all your political viewpoints that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, and only serve as toxic fuel for those that don't understand that politics belongs on GN, and not here.

@Raevenlord shame on you. In a tech news article, how the measure passed is of no consequence: There was no reason to mention a party line vote. All that is going to do is cause people to come in here and go off on political tangents and arguments as we are already seeing.

If you are doing this to increase site visits, it is disgraceful. TPU will have a lot more long term credibility in the tech world by NOT constantly engaging in and encouraging political arguments. Raevenlord is now seeming to make a habit out of posting opinions on U.S. politics. I simply cannot believe @W1zzard condones this type of action which only serves to draw TPU into the gutter.

Edit: and as predicted, just read the shit from both sides below.

 

[alucasa]

If you want to talk politics, talk to a drywall in your room.

It will accomplish just the same.

 

[Tartaros]

Reading The Social Contract should be the first compulsory thing to do in middle school. Many of these mafia acts wouldn't be tolerated.

 

[wiyosaya]

Thanks for throwing in all your political viewpoints that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, and only serve as toxic fuel for those that don't understand that politics belongs on GN, and not here.

@Raevenlord shame on you. In a tech news article, how the measure passed is of no consequence: There was no reason to mention a party line vote. All that is going to do is cause people to come in here and go off on political tangents and arguments as we are already seeing.

If you are doing this to increase site visits, it is disgraceful. TPU will have a lot more long term credibility in the tech world by NOT constantly engaging in and encouraging political arguments. Raevenlord is now seeming to make a habit out of posting opinions on U.S. politics. I simply cannot believe @W1zzard condones this type of action which only serves to draw TPU into the gutter.

You're welcome. Personally, I do see that a vote along party lines is germane to the issue as representatives are supposed to represent their constituency. I do not see how allowing ISPs to sell everything including their user's social security numbers serves or represents any representatives' constituency.

The users of technology and the internet, we who post here on TPU and other sites, need to know this because this could result in identity theft that would then cost any one of we who post on TPU or elsewhere thousands of dollars to get out from under such a pall.

Unfortunately, technology policies like this are decided in government, and do affect technology users. For any of we who post on TPU, it is unfortunate that politics has devolved into the state that it is since there is little room for civil discussion any more. What it will take is those who supported those in power experiencing first-hand the troubles that a policy like this could wreak on them, and understanding that this kind of policy does not, as I previously said, represent the average american citizen - IOTW - the little guy.

Whether these kinds of posts are toxic are not depends on the viewpoint, and I, for one, am happy to be informed on this matter since it empowers me to vastly limit the personal information that I give in the future to any ISP. For instance, all US citizens signing up for with an ISP for service should know that they are well within their rights to refuse to give an ISP, and most other commercial firms for that matter, a social security number for anything.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

You best be sure EFF.org will be trying to fight this.


https://twitter.com/EFF/status/845622547026628610

 

[cornemuse]

 

[Easy Rhino]

intelligence is collected for public safety not For profit.

intelligence is collected for political profit.

 

[alucasa]

No, you are all wrong.

Intelligence is collected cuz they can and get away with it.

 

[kroks]

"the content of communications" video streaming on skype is a communication, will they record it too?
They gonna need a bigger hard drive...
Hackers will buy sensitive info and use it against you (passwords, blackmail...)

 

[alucasa]

They have to record Skype calls. A lot of Skype porn going around. They wouldn't want to miss it.

In the end, it all comes down to porn.

 

[Mescalamba]

Now you should just pray that Trump is worth something.

And Im expecting increase in use of cryptography.. everywhere. Its not that hard with today HW anyway. Time to use some very secure VPNs..

Btw. aint that kinda against constitution?

 

[geon2k2]

Google knows what I do, what I search, what I click on, when I sit in front of the computer, what sites I visit even if I don't go from google (due to the ads run by google from those particular sites), what video I watch, with whom I communicate, where I live (yes, my android phone sometimes tells me how much time I'll do until home, if I leave at that particular hour ... ) what videos I watch, what are my interests (simple which forums do I visit), what is my bank, simple which bank site I visit more often, basically much more intelligent data, not just IPs.

I think people will get scared if they knew what google already knows about them ... so yeah, our lives were invaded much earlier than this.

 

[timta2]

Yes as Hillery would of been a much better option HAHAHAHAHAHA. The one who says YES to staying with the cheating husbands.,

What's worse, a guy who fucks an intern or a guy who fucks the entire country?

Her name is also spelled Hillary.

 

[AsRock]

What's worse, a guy who fucks an intern or a guy who fucks the entire country?

They are all as bad as each other, they all buried this country by putting it in so much dept. Funny shit keeps getting worse and they leave the office pretty dam well off. Sorry if you don't do a good job you should be fired not made rich.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

This is why it's important to go out and vote.

yeah except people will vote in the same retards over and over again, until we have term limits, I afraid it won't change either.

 

[Rockarola]

Yeh, hell, the whole world is crooked to the Hell.

Just live on. I have matters around me that need more attention than what may or may not happen in some future.

And it is as if you have any real control. Those politicians play by partyline. I don't think they act on their own beliefs. You can vote to have a stake in who gets elected but does it matter?

Again, they play by partyline.

I'm sorry for you...being that shortsighted, while wearing such massive blinders must be one hell of a handicap.
You don't care what happens to the world, because you have more immediate concerns?
Guess what? Things far away tends to come closer, usually a lot faster than you thought.
It might not be your problem today, but odds are that it will be tomorrow.

 

[deu]

The "Dont care I got nothing to hide" attitude is frightningly naive. Im not sure people understand the grasp of laws like this to a lowpractical level:

ISP sorts all info from ALL users (ALL) ALL companies with a reason (ALL) will buy into these information if it enable them to make better qualified and fruitful bussiness decisions.

cases:

1. X want to borrow money but bank wont because they can see that he uses statistically to much on steam / _W_. His loan gets rejected.

2. A company checks the people that they are hirings porn fetishes before hiring them, sorting out anyone else that missionarylovers, because "we cant risk it"- bla bla bla (expect this to become standard in larger cooperations.)

3. People will get the most intense targeted advertising ever seen through EVER surface of the internet, whether its bad or good.

4. Expect these information to be purcasable by private persons as well; Your ex girlfriend (or current) will be able to buy and see what you did on the internet in the period your where together. Potentially be able to see who you talked with and when. (not stalkers paradise at all...)

5. People; scammers, terrorists, / WHOEVER wants to obtain knowledge about a person will be somewhat able. Depening on the level of information, location, time, url, etc will be trackable and open to who ever have money to pay.

All of the above is already done in shady legalarea's; this law straight up legitimizes full on survailance of EVEYONE by EVERYONE.

But sure we got nothing to hide..., lets do it!

In regard to the dude that lives in canada and thinks that "his" internet does not come into contact with USA's; you got some reading up to do! (EVERYTHING can get authorized as going through a US ISP if they want ) I know USA basically uses that "twist" to spy on people from EU (legally), so its not even the future, but this law gives this opportunity to anyone.