Various Radeon RX 500 Series Graphics Cards Start Getting Listed

[Ungari]

Whatever rebrands Nvidia may have had, you could always look at the leading digit and know what chip generation you were getting. You can't do that with ATI/AMD

Actually, AMD has made it's naming conventions for both GPU and CPU follow their competitors so as to make it easier to understand.

 

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Actually, AMD has made it's naming conventions for both GPU and CPU follow their competitors so as to make it easier to understand.

I'm afraid I don't follow.

 

[simlariver]

Actually, AMD has made it's naming conventions for both GPU and CPU follow their competitors so as to make it easier to understand.

That make sense.

Prices will change as the inventory of 400 series disappear...

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

The point is that if the 480 is their midrange competitor, they are not going anywhere. We have not had any real competition outside of the low mid range. When VEGA actually comes out, how fast will it be? The most concrete "evidence" is somewhere between the 1070 and 1080. AMD isnt going to be charging $500 for a card that meets the 1.5 year old performance of a $500 1080. $400 at most, considering how cheap the 1070 is right now.

Nvidia's rebrands were almost always low end low margin parts. Mid range rebrands are rare. I can think of one (the excellent 9800GTX to GTS 250) off of the top of my head (and see, that was high end to mid range, not mid range to mid range like the 480 to 580). AMD, meanwhile, is rebranding their best 400 series chips. Which isnt saying much, but still, AMD is going in with nothing ATM. The 500 series, at 400 series prices, is going to be overpriced for what you get, and unless vega is some magical unicorn chip, nvidia is going to have another year of unopposed sales.

And I dont put a pascal refresh in the realm of impossibility. Their is room for improvement, and I could see nvidia using that room to deliver cheaper parts to keep AMD down.

from the top of my head, G92 rebrand rampage:

8800GT - 9800GT
8800GS - 9600GSO
8800GTS 512 = 9800GTX = 9800GTX+ = GTS250

 

[bogami]

A whole 600 generation is here and there is so much to expect. So in the end we're all disappointed because the price AMD has the same height as nVidia, if they have something to show. Do not expect more than a little wound up RX480. price mostly tell the truth. Even Reisen has no OC potential and take it worse than the real competition . It is unrealistic . They will not bury the competition. Minimalist gaming PC for HD play. on good settings max . Also 16nm D-9 furyX could give more but did not adjust. My beard is still growing and there is no successor worthy of mention .

 

[Ungari]

A whole 600 generation is here and there is so much to expect. So in the end we're all disappointed because the price AMD has the same height as nVidia, if they have something to show. Do not expect more than a little wound up RX480. price mostly tell the truth. Even Reisen has no OC potential and take it worse than the real competition . It is unrealistic . They will not bury the competition. Minimalist gaming PC for HD play. on good settings max . Also 16nm D-9 furyX could give more but did not adjust. My beard is still growing and there is no successor worthy of mention .

AMD does not believe in making processors that are deliberately gimped so that enthusiasts can pay extra to add 500Mhz to the clockspeeds, not do they believe that the only measure of performance is cycles per second.

 

[diatribe]

from the top of my head, G92 rebrand rampage:

8800GT - 9800GT
8800GS - 9600GSO
8800GTS 512 = 9800GTX = 9800GTX+ = GTS250

What's your point? It wasn't right then and it's not right now. AMD didn't need to change their model numbers to 5xx given that this is just the same underlying core tech sent to a different OEM fabricator.

 

[Parn]

I actually quite like the idea of a refreshed & refined Polaris 10. I can't justified the large amount of cash for a top of line card like 1080Ti (or the soon to be released RX Vega) simply because I don't game enough, so it's usually the mid-high cards like RX580 and 1070 that interest me. As long as this RX580 is indeed a slightly refined/improved RX480, I will snatch one albeit after the initial launch price cools down a bit.

 

[illli]

was hoping for at least a flat +10% performance increase at stock. Maybe that was too lofty of an expectation. I haven't seen anything about a bump in memory speed, only on the gpu side

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

What's your point? It wasn't right then and it's not right now. AMD didn't need to change their model numbers to 5xx given that this is just the same underlying core tech sent to a different OEM fabricator.

I was just completing the information from the previous post, nothing more. Actually I highly reprehend straight rebrands. They should call it RX 480 GHz edition or something, like they did with the Tahiti XT2, 7970GHz.

 

[Ungari]

For those many gamers who did not purchase Pascal or Polaris last year, this increase in specs may be enough to warrant an upgrade.

 

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For those many gamers who did not purchase Pascal or Polaris last year, this increase in specs may be enough to warrant an upgrade.

What increase? 5-6% is more like a margin of error than an "increase in specs". Thank God Nvidia didn't rename the enhanced memory 1060/1070/1080 into 2060/2070/2080.

 

[horsemama1956]

AMD does not believe in making processors that are deliberately gimped so that enthusiasts can pay extra to add 500Mhz to the clockspeeds, not do they believe that the only measure of performance is cycles per second.

They would if they could but they can't so they don't.

AMD is not your friend. They try to get your money like every other business.

 

[Ungari]

They would if they could but they can't so they don't.

AMD is not your friend. They try to get your money like every other business.

They don't bend me over for FreeSync and CrossFire.
And they unlock their CPUs and chipsets without extra fees.
The Ryzen prices are allowing me to obtain performance I otherwise could not afford.
I consider them to be consumer friendly.

 

[bogami]

AMD does not believe in making processors that are deliberately gimped so that enthusiasts can pay extra to add 500Mhz to the clockspeeds, not do they believe that the only measure of performance is cycles per second.

AMD fen unrealistic support. Are you paid from AMD ? Higher operating frequency is a problem for AMD. INVIDIA has made 2 different processors and AMD can do this to. Excuses Somehow I get the feeling that there is not enough development.
All went to Nvidia . All passing ultra-slowly in AMD. On the end but we pulled short.

 

[Cheeseball]

Yeah, this is too overpriced for a rebrand and small clocks. $200 to $230 (just like how the RX 480 launched) would be better.

 

[medi01]

580 MAY reset that. We know jack shit about these cards.

We know AIB versions of the cards are leaking out there, drivers have matured for 480 already, there is no way 580 will get spoiled with throttled ref card that pulls more than 75w from PCIe.

No bigger polaris chip for those of us that want more power?

Well, there will be smaller Vega for ya, I guess. 350$-ish seems doable.... for 4Gb version... (and that advanced "caching" approach should address the "it doesn't fit in mem" problem)

The asking price seems to be bumped well above 5-6% though.

Edit: 6% means:

RX480 => RX580
20fps => 21.2fps
50fps => 53fps
60fps => 63.6fps
100fps => 106fps

I.e. doesn't make any previously unplayable title playable.

Well, 6% means raising a bit above direct competitor, but again, considering how spoiled the 480 lunch was (many still think that 1060 is "much faster than 480"), AMD needed to reset it.

Where did you get the "6% higher price" figure?

Somehow I get the feeling that there is not enough development.

Right, that development, that costs money.
More details at 6:00pm.

 

[Nihilus]

.... For the first time in probably 10 years I'm not optimistic for an AMD card.

You were seriously excited for RX 380 after the RX 280 which was after the 7970 ghz and 7970??

 

[Vayra86]

from the top of my head, G92 rebrand rampage:

8800GT - 9800GT
8800GS - 9600GSO
8800GTS 512 = 9800GTX = 9800GTX+ = GTS250

Exactly... or GTX 680 > GTX 770. That was Nvidia doing a generational 'upgrade' but in fact all they did was the same as they do now, increase memory speed a bit.

Seems like some people have some problems with history, oddly enough only towards a single brand. I'll just leave it at that

 

[owen10578]

What the crap? Why the hell is everyone complaining and arguing? This is a refresh of the 480 yes and yes calling it 580 is a bit deceiving to say the least (485 would be more appropriate) but what's with all the negativity saying it will flop maybe its much improved that it warrants AMD to name it 580. Also what's with complaining that this refresh is just a rebrand? A refresh is better than Nvidia not refreshing anything at all right now (faster memory? Really?...). I really don't see the problem. Just absurd what lengths people go to just to say bad things about AMD.