NVIDIA Announces the TITAN Xp - Faster Than GTX 1080 Ti

[RejZoR]

How is confusion on users end when NVIDIA called two cards the same and then called the 3rd one the way people started calling the second one to avoid confusion between first two?

 

[Vya Domus]

When AMD releases refined products; the crowd cheers.
When Nvidia releases refined products; everyone complains.


Pascal is still a larger improvement than any of the GCN revisions. It's been many years since AMD released a new GPU architecture.


I was thinking of the perfect match:

Please, do it the AMD way instead; rebrand the whole lineup every time there are two new cards!

Nice way of ignoring all the crap Nvidia did , and calling Pascal a larger improvement that GCN ? Nice try mate , but we all know what you are here for.

 

[Ubersonic]

How is confusion on users end when NVIDIA called two cards the same and then called the 3rd one the way people started calling the second one to avoid confusion between first two?

Because that never happened, the Geforce GTX Titan-X and the Nvidia Titan-X (not a Geforce card) were different cards with similar yet different names.

But people had to be special and invent their own name instead of just calling them the Geforce TX and Nvidia TX, and now that's causing issues.

 

[RejZoR]

No, what's causing issues is retarded naming of the cards. Just that and nothing else. You have to know when to stop and NVIDIA clearly doesn't have any idea when to stop using name Titan... Then again, they have bunch of hardcore idiots who just buy anything that has NVIDIA on the box and costs the most... It could be called NVIDIA Titan Turd and they'd buy it by the thousands...

 

[Dimi]

No, what's causing issues is retarded naming of the cards. Just that and nothing else. You have to know when to stop and NVIDIA clearly doesn't have any idea when to stop using name Titan... Then again, they have bunch of hardcore idiots who just buy anything that has NVIDIA on the box and costs the most... It could be called NVIDIA Titan Turd and they'd buy it by the thousands...

Except this card is not a turd and is at the top of the pyramid.

Its like getting mad at your car dealer for releasing a new version of the car you purchased last year. Even though its the same fucking name too. You think i get mad at Audi for releasing an A4 every year? Get over it.

 

[RejZoR]

Lol, someone is mad as shit.

 

[Ubersonic]

No, what's causing issues is retarded naming of the cards.

Yes, Nvidia are the first company to ever release three products over a three year span that had similar names

 

[Dimi]

Lol, someone is mad as shit.

Yeah you, i'm not mad at all, i'm very happy with my GTX 1070.

 

[Fluffmeister]

They can sell dirt cheap 480's and keep their current marketshare. So why try?

-The 5870 was better
-The 7970 was better
-The 290X was better

^But it didn't matter. People wanted to buy Nvidia because "It's the way it's meant to be played". Why try? They can profit and sell 480's.


I think Vega will challenge the 1080 Ti, but that's normal. AMD launches a mega card every 2 years, and then scrapes by in-between. Get used to it.

Don't worry, I'm very used to it.

Luckily for AMD fans, patience is a virtue.

 

[RejZoR]

Yeah you, i'm not mad at all, i'm very happy with my GTX 1070.

And I'm just an AMD fanboy, ooooh wait, I got GTX 980...

 

[efikkan]

Lol, because NVIDIA never ever rebrands the cards... You're talking in a thread about one at this very moment...

No, this new Titan is nothing like a rebrand.

Nice way of ignoring all the crap Nvidia did , and calling Pascal a larger improvement that GCN ? Nice try mate , but we all know what you are here for.

Try reading the post again.
I pointed out the fact that Pascal is still a greater improvements than any of the GCN revisions. AMD has not produced a new GPU architecture in many years.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Why do people always have this crazy idea that AMD cards should perform the same as NVIDIA cards, but cost 300 bucks less. Because logic... !?

Because it has been YEARS since AMD launched another flagship. I would say the same for Nvidia if it had been this long.


And btw if you can read, I said it should be $400 if it is a little weaker than the 1080 Ti.

-If it's the same strength or 1-2% stronger, it should cost between $550 and $650.
-If it beats the 1080 Ti by a sold 10% or more, if should be $700.

 

[m1dg3t]

Hmm..... So much fanboy hatred and envy. Says I who bought a Ryzen 1700X because it seemed silly to buy the 1800X for £120 more.
Imagine a company releasing intentionally 'cut down' versions to make a product stack. I mean, only Nvidia does that right. Intel wouldn't. AMD don't. No wait, they all do.
And are these same small minded people who said this years ago when the 780 was released after the Titan, then the 780ti and Titan Black came out? All these people just repeat the same mantra while the private business that makes millions keeps making record profits because its business model works....

Gosh. Many businesses school rejects here. Don't worry, AMD will save the day.

Envious fanboys, business school rejects? Really? You are utterly clueless.

Specs put it even with two RX480's with HBM added. Let's assume perfect scaling for the core architecture, that makes it about even with a 1080 on a good day. The 1080Ti is faster yet and this card is even faster than that. At best AMD could release another pro duo style card using two of the vega's and hope crossfire works.

No.

Lol, because NVIDIA never ever rebrands the cards... You're talking in a thread about one at this very moment...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[GhostRyder]

They can sell dirt cheap 480's and keep their current marketshare. So why try?

-The 5870 was better
-The 7970 was better
-The 290X was better

^But it didn't matter. People wanted to buy Nvidia because "It's the way it's meant to be played". Why try? They can profit and sell 480's.


I think Vega will challenge the 1080 Ti, but that's normal. AMD launches a mega card every 2 years, and then scrapes by in-between. Get used to it.

Well, I agree with you except I don't think the 5870 was better it just ran much cooler. The other two were clearly superior its just nobody bought them due to people still believing Nvidia was better (and AMD not spending enough time working with OEMS). Its kinda annoying because most of the people wanting AMD to compete just want it to get NVidia cards at a lower price and have no intention of buying an AMD card which is part of the reason we are in this mess to begin with. I hope Vega will be good, but I am not holding my breath that it will match a 1080ti.

What matter here is its happening either way. Its not going to be much different in performance than the previous Titan XP or new 1080ti. I do wish they would distinguish the names a bit more since it can be confusing especially on the second hand market but whatever.

 

[efikkan]

These youtoubers need to stop making fools of themselves. Both JayzTwoCents and AdoredTV are clearly incompetent. They still don't get that there is a (semi)professional market demanding these cards, and that they are selling like hotcakes.

"Who is buying this card"?
If you bought the Titan X Pascal (2016), then of course you are not going to replace it a few months later, just like Skylake owners are not going to upgrade to Kaby Lake. It's a product refresh with a slightly better product, which is normal in many product segments. If you go buy a 2017 BMW, then you know there is going to be a 2018 model with minor upgrades, and no one goes crazy because of that!

"Why are Nvidia selling this?"
The demand for Titan cards is huge in the professional market, and they want all the performance they can get. The yields now are much better than last year, so Nvidia refreshes the product to provide a faster model. It's pure common sense, and anyone failing to understand this is really incompetent.

This joke claims Nvidia even has a "Titan Ultra" in the works, because it's possible to make bigger 16 nm chips. This kind of argumentation is just crazy.

 

[cdawall]

No

No what? Did I give Vega too much? And I am talking overall not in just doom and ashes of singularity.

Someone can't read a chart:

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_1080_Ti_Xtreme_Gaming/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

Perfect scaling places it within 10% of the 1080 Ti, and that's only if we double the 480.

Vega's specs are OVER double the 480, and it is a completely new arch with some pretty crazy claims. We don't know how strong Vega 10 will be yet, but at a minimum it will be close to a 1080 Ti.

I stand by what I said. Remember the factory OC 1080's are in that same spot. Hence how a I phrased my comment. About even with a 1080 and behind the Ti. AMD has proven over time they can release an updated architecture with literally zero support and have it perform slower than it should for the first 6 months. I wouldn't expect that to change.

That being said I'll be first in line for one if it has a short pcb to replace my current cards for a single of equal performance.

 

[Vya Domus]

No, this new Titan is nothing like a rebrand.


Try reading the post again.
I pointed out the fact that Pascal is still a greater improvements than any of the GCN revisions. AMD has not produced a new GPU architecture in many years.

Try doing some research. Look at Kepler all the way up to Pascal , incremental improvements of their architecture at best. Nvidia has been following exactly the same strategy as AMD and has provided small design changes for the last couple of generations , the only reason they got ahead is because of clock speeds and power efficiency. There are multiple ways to get ahead in performance metrics , just because they have a number of chips that are faster doesn't mean they got ahead in terms of architecture.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Cant waint for the specs of this "yet another crippled high end chip by NVidia and their catchphrase: the way its meant to overcharge for a dun".

 

[efikkan]

How are any of the chips "crippled"?
AMD does also make multiple SKUs from single chips, and it's been the norm for decades. Please stop acting childish.

 

[Vayra86]

Yes, it is almost like getting these huge chips 100% functional is hard or something...

That's why 780ti is such a great example, because it was preceded by a full-fat Titan. They already had their full enabled core and the node was FAR from new. Suddenly when AMD could counter the 780, 'which was the excuse for bad yields, chips that just didn't make it to be a Titan'... *plop* enter 780ti as a poor man's Titan *refresh*. Its funny how those yields suddenly improve under competition!

Come on, you're smarter than this. GP100 is an even more complex chip and its been around how long now?

Also any comparison to post-Kepler > today has no bearing on the 780ti story because AMD has yet to surpass the 980ti performance wise. There was never any reason to push harder on Maxwell, so we got a Titan X'm', a 980 that almost nobody wanted because grossly overpriced/perf, and a 980ti as a cut down Titan. Maxwell's clocks were enough to stay ahead. Same with Pascal, until AMD drops the Vega Bomb and now we have three versions of GP102.

I see a pattern, you?

 

[efikkan]

Come on, you're smarter than this. GP100 is an even more complex chip and its been around how long now?

Seriously, if you knew anything about microchip production, especially on new nodes, you'd know that yields gradually improve. In fact, the quantities of top binnings can increase by a lot in just 3-6 months.
Even the GP100s used in Teslas have disabled cores and even lower clocks than GP102, and still there is no "perfect" chips out there. Anyone who claims Nvidia is just keeping back chips is simply stupid.

 

[Vayra86]

Anyone who claims Nvidia is just keeping back chips is simply stupid.

Anyone who just believes anything the company marketing tells them must then be smart? I think you really need to learn to read between the lines abit more.

The 780ti is effective proof that Nvidia was definitely holding chips to remarket them as a different product 'when the time was right'. They had serious trouble back then with AMD's offerings, very much unlike today until vega launches.

I do NOT contest that process and yields do improve over time. But it is also business 101 to make the buyer believe that the product at the top of the stack is the 'unique and best' option - scarcity sells. That is entirely what Titan releases are about. And you don't convince buyers with 'we're holding these chips back so we can release another version to eclipse our current halo product'. Again, I point you towards the outrage among Titan owners when 780ti was released.

You DO convince them with 'look at the most powerful and complicated chip in the world, crafted by elves at moonlight, a super delicate process that often fails'. Remember, even their 'FE' coolers are 'meticulously crafted' for 'optimal performance'... meanwhile throttling on 90% of the product stack.

 

[jabbadap]

Anyone who just believes anything the company marketing tells them must then be smart? I think you really need to learn to read between the lines abit more.

The 780ti is effective proof that Nvidia was definitely holding chips to remarket them as a different product 'when the time was right'. They had serious trouble back then with AMD's offerings, very much unlike today until vega launches.

I do NOT contest that process and yields do improve over time. But it is also business 101 to make the buyer believe that the product at the top of the stack is the 'unique and best' option - scarcity sells. That is entirely what Titan releases are about. And you don't convince buyers with 'we're holding these chips back so we can release another version to eclipse our current halo product'. Again, I point you towards the outrage among Titan owners when 780ti was released.

You DO convince them with 'look at the most powerful and complicated chip in the world, crafted by elves at moonlight, a super delicate process that often fails'. Remember, even their 'FE' coolers are 'meticulously crafted' for 'optimal performance'... meanwhile throttling on 90% of the product stack.

Original titan and gtx780 were different revision of the chip(A1). gtx780ti, gtx780 rev2 and titan Black were revision B1(aka gk110b), so nvidia did not actually hold chips back then(Well of course they hold them back a bit, but not that much. It was eight months between original titan and gtx780ti). They needed to do respin to get chip fully functional.

 

[Prima.Vera]

I wonder if people have learned anything from buying over the top overpriced Titans and getting screwed over it constantly... From the looks of it they'll buy them again and ask for some more next time again...

Is called "The Sado/Maso Syndrome"

 

[Robert Bourgoin]

Still glad to have my GTX 1080Ti ripping games apart. For the money it was and still is a great deal.