Pre-orders Available for LG's 32UD99 Display: 4K, HDR10, Freesync for $999

[Dethroy]

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Wow, never thought about that.

Samsung KS9000 can dish out 1000 nits.
LG OLED55e6d is about 600 nits.

Guess which one is hands down OMG how much better when they are next to each other...

"Where the 55KS9000 stumbled somewhat was during HDR playback. The high light output required by HDR led to contamination of the letterbox black bars in cinemascope 4K HDR films, owing to where the LEDs are located and how light is distributed. We’re informed that this sort of LED configuration was absolutely necessary to coax 1000 nits from an edge-lit system, so the blooming artefact was unavoidable if viewers wanted to scale the HDR heights without clipping or remapping."

Since OLEDs have technically infinite contrast (perfect blacks) and LCDs do not and never will do, specification requirements to get ULTRA HD PREMIUM certification is different for each of 'em. OLEDs are superior in every single way (okay, except longevity - but even that shouldn't be a concern anymore), and that's why the last remaining straw left for LCDs' marketing ploy to clutch at, is boasting about LCDs' peak brightness, since for the uneducated (read as the majority of the population) higher numbers generally translate into "more awesome".

A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
• More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
OR
• More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

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Old LED those local dimming were horrid new ones are better at it. Your going to pay a premium for it.

OLEDs don't need and don't do local dimming - that's one of OLEDs' biggest advantages...

 

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Since OLEDs have technically infinite contrast (perfect blacks) and LCDs do not and never will do, specification requirements to get ULTRA HD PREMIUM certification is different for each of 'em. OLEDs are superior in every single way (okay, except longevity - but even that shouldn't be a concern anymore), and that's why the last remaining straw left for LCDs' marketing ploy to clutch at, is boasting about LCDs' peak brightness, since for the uneducated (read as the majority of the population) higher numbers generally translate into "more awesome".


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OLEDs don't do local dimming...

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OLED's perfect blacks are a myth. Yes, the OLED is turned off, thus it emits no light. But the brightness is not zero, because the surface, even if it doesn't emit any light, will still reflect it. So depending on how you build the display, you'll get different levels of black (mind you, still below what LCD achieves).

 

[Dethroy]

OLED's perfect blacks are a myth. Yes, the OLED is turned off, thus it emits no light. But the brightness is not zero, because the surface, even if it doesn't emit any light, will still reflect it. So depending on how you build the display, you'll get different levels of black (mind you, still below what LCD achieves).

That's why I said technically. And the deciding factor is inciding light. But that also heavily affects LCDs. A light controlled room is obviously giving you the best results.

 

[bug]

That's why I said technically. And the deciding factor is inciding light. But that also heavily affects LCDs. A light controlled room is obviously giving you the best results.

True. It just irks me when reviewers just go: it's OLED, thus it has infinite contrast - end of story.
At the same time, it's hard to actually measure the contrast, because tools that do so cover the screen, so there's no ambient light to speak of. But we're still not getting infinite contrast irl.

 

[Xzibit]

OLEDs don't need and don't do local dimming - that's one of OLEDs' biggest advantages...

Wasn't even addressing OLEDs. Just that the comparison is outdated.

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as for OLED they are still relatively new and issues that have been sorted out with LED will have to be ironed out with OLED and the coming QD.

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Peak return

In the TV space those are lesser issues but still can be problematic. programs and channels that have a static logo or ticker. PC you have to worry about it more. Long hours on the same image or a game played for several hours on peaks and UIs.

 

[Dethroy]

Wasn't even addressing OLEDs. Just that the comparison is outdated.

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as for OLED they are still relatively new and issues that have been sorted out with LED will have to be ironed out with OLED and the coming QD.

Burn-In
Peak return

In the TV space those are lesser issues but still can be problematic. programs and channels that have a static logo or ticker. PC you have to worry about it more. Long hours on the same image or a game played for several hours on peaks and UIs.

I can confirm that burn-in is a non-issue. The image retention is not permanent.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

I wouldn't know about that. Over here the first two LoTR movies are only available in stereo. And a search for "Breakfast at Tiffany's" returns stupid suggestions instead of the classic movie. Recent Avengers (et al) are unavailable. So are "Friends" or "The Big Bang Theory".
There are some good movies/tv series available, but not enough to keep me subscribed.

Okay, so since YOU don't have access to sources with HDR content it's scarce. Makes sense. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has more than enough of the content, I don't have enough time to watch all the things with HDR nor do I want to watch that much of anything haha

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Wasn't even addressing OLEDs. Just that the comparison is outdated.

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as for OLED they are still relatively new and issues that have been sorted out with LED will have to be ironed out with OLED and the coming QD.

Burn-In
Peak return

In the TV space those are lesser issues but still can be problematic. programs and channels that have a static logo or ticker. PC you have to worry about it more. Long hours on the same image or a game played for several hours on peaks and UIs.

Haven't OLED units been out for over 5 years already? Seems like a long time ago when they first came out although there wasn't and still isn't a large market demanding many models.

 

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Okay, so since YOU don't have access to sources with HDR content it's scarce. Makes sense. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has more than enough of the content, I don't have enough time to watch all the things with HDR nor do I want to watch that much of anything haha

I fell dumber just for reading that nonsense.

I only said HDR content isn't the norm (and won't be for years) and when/if you go for a HDR monitor or TV you should check that you have HDR stuff to display. Because HDR monitors command a sizeable premium.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

IPS usually calibrates in the 0.12-0.14cd/sqm. Can get as low as 0.10cd/sqm. That translates into 2,500:1-2,900:1 typical static contrast (3,600:1-4,200:1 peak static contrast).
I wouldn't be surprised if this panel is the 0.10cd/sqm (or lower) variety, though.

Still, as usual, specs are one thing, but the real question is: do you have HDR content to display? I'd consider one of these for photo editing, but video HDR content is still very, very scarce. And simply forcing content into HDR space will only make your eyes bleed.

Umm, quoted you, maybe you'll understand what you posted. Anyhow, I'll just put you on an ignore/block list from this point on if possible ha, you're just clowning on here.

 

[bug]

Umm, quoted you, maybe you'll understand what you posted. Anyhow, I'll just put you on an ignore/block list from this point on if possible ha, you're just clowning on here.

Yes, there's much less HDR content compared to SDR. If you have access to 500 hours of HDR content and wish to call that plenty, good for you.

 

[nemesis.ie]

Maybe try using the multi-quote Th3pwn3r?

 

[medi01]

Burn-In

LGs actually dim logos automatically, to avoid just that.

At least on paper they have quite a longevity I'd add.

 

[Xzibit]

LGs actually dim logos automatically, to avoid just that.

At least on paper they have quite a longevity I'd add.

There is quite a few videos. One goes into detail about 4-5hr a day use of OLED for a monitor and his Chrome browser bar is burn-in permanently LIGHTLY. He also goes on and details non-permanent burn-in from 3hr side by side windows that take hours to go away. 4-5hrs a day use is not even a work day. If your experience that bad of burn ins in that time frame ew. Those are the kind of issues that will have to be addressed going forward.

As well as the peak return, especially if your doing HDR content. OLED get certified at just above half of the HDR standard nits so they have that going for them. Not even looking at DV content which is currently mastered at 4k nits. Thats another issue in it of itself but more so with lowering the bar then meeting it. All flavors of tech should meet and exceed standards not be certified below them.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Maybe try using the multi-quote Th3pwn3r?

I did make an attempt to do that and failed harder than Bug whenever he posts something silly. I haven't figured out how to multiquote properly. I hit multi, pick a couple and then reply?

 

[nemesis.ie]

Yep. Might need to hit "insert quotes" too.

 

[Dethroy]

Wasn't even addressing OLEDs. Just that the comparison is outdated.

Wow, that facepalm should've been directed at me then. How could I miss that. I need to up my skimming skills or read more thoroughly at work.
My apologies Xzibit!