AMD Announces New Radeon Pro Duo - Polaris x2

[xkm1948]

That's a pity. I recall you were stoked with your Fury X. But then, VR has kinda slumped in general.

VR has been great. It is AMD has promised great software/driver support VR in advertising with NOTHING to back it up.

I have been working on a small VR demo. Getting any help from AMD is impossible. Their tech department never respond to any emails. Their tech support line knows nothing about their own LiquidVR.

 

[jabbadap]

Is it? Capitalizing would be selling GTX 1080 for same price for longer. Not releasing Ti for no real reason and ANOTHER Titan. Again, for no real reason. They are just tossing out money, making their expensive cards redundant. They could go reactive, if AMD released Vega and it proved to be unusually faster, they could respond with Ti or new Titan and take the crown from there in a moment.

The Vega has been planned for 1H 2017 for ages, so there is no way they were not prepared and they just blindly released those because they already had them in the pipeline.

Ohh there's plenty of reasons to release Ti and new titan. a) Being in market first, gives them time to sell cards without any competition. b) gtx1080 has been market for long time, I bet nvidia has some kind of threshold of quantities still selling which dictates there's time to new product. c) Being bigger chip, it has been take more time to get yields in order and getting healthy stock. d) Vega is late, they got bored...

 

[Xzibit]

This isn't hate, this is speculation based on unusual silence. I doubt anyone here wants AMD to do poorly but we don't understand why they keep demoing it and hyping without releasing it. They are likely working on a fix for something but some transparency would be nice.

I want vega to do well, but what's the holdup? Supposedly it will launch in may but we shall see.

When the thread spirals off into speculation with, OMG they are releasing this because something is wrong with VEGA. Well you kind of look silly since this NEWS was about a PRO card in the first place and the VEGA release window hasn't changed.

Same sillyness from people as with Ryzen launch where people were upset they weren't being feed all the info at their convenience.

 

[owen10578]

This isn't hate, this is speculation based on unusual silence. I doubt anyone here wants AMD to do poorly but we don't understand why they keep demoing it and hyping without releasing it. They are likely working on a fix for something but some transparency would be nice.

Even without beating the 1080ti it would still be a compute monster as they allow packed math on consumer cards giving you double half precision performance. Nvidia only does this on the p100 so vega WILL be faster at all deep learning applications other than the p100. The cache controller allows it to use memory in a unique way that should allow for interesting implementations, perhaps sdk around that is what is slowing launch.

I want vega to do well, but what's the holdup? Supposedly it will launch in may but we shall see.

Yea I get it its unusually quiet but making baseless speculation doesn't help at all. You would just look like a helpless AMD hater to me.

Im hoping Vega to do well too because we do need competition.

 

[Patriot]

When the thread spirals off into speculation with, OMG they are releasing this because something is wrong with VEGA. Well you kind of look silly since this NEWS was about a PRO card in the first place and the VEGA release window hasn't changed.

Same sillyness from people as with Ryzen launch where people were upset they weren't being feed all the info at their convenience.

It's not a pro card... They simply branded it such because it doesn't compete on the gaming realm. It sits between gaming and pro, a prosumer card at best. There was no dual fury apart from the "pro" card and no dual rx480 apart from the "pro" card. Don't just swallow all the bs you hear because it is what you want to hear.

Yea I get it its unusually quiet but making baseless speculation doesn't help at all. You would just look like a helpless AMD hater to me.

Im hoping Vega to do well too because we do need competition.

It is not baseless, they have yet to release anything faster than the first Pro duo in a single card form. They have historically released a dual card when they don't have a single card to do the trick.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

When the thread spirals off into speculation with, OMG they are releasing this because something is wrong with VEGA. Well you kind of look silly since this NEWS was about a PRO card in the first place and the VEGA release window hasn't changed.

Same sillyness from people as with Ryzen launch where people were upset they weren't being feed all the info at their convenience.

Exactly and no one read through it to realise the use cases that can't be done without two GPUs ie final render on one GPU while allocating the other for live use sorting the next model or whatever ,all appealing in a new way for Professional use ,they didn't even mention gaming on it or crossfire though obviously it would be capable and at a grand only a Muppet would buy one for crysis or csgo.

 

[Frick]

Speculation on Vega aside, that is a very attractive card.

 

[r9]

Actually im easily beating a 1080 with dual 480s and even the 1080Ti when overclocked...well in benches. Games I don't really know so it might very well be 1070 speeds in non optimized ones. A dual 480/580 gaming card would be pretty cool though. But im not sure it would even sell considering there are just as fast if not faster nvidia single cards.



Why all the hate? It's not even out yet ffs. I don't really see how AMD should be shocked by the Ti or Xp considering the original XP was out for a long time already...also the same way HBM increase costs adding traces for GDDR memory on the pcb also adds cost so not sure that HBM2 "cost way too much". Not saying Vega will be great, if anything im a bit skeptical considering how quiet AMD is but we can do without the bashing and baseless speculation.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I kinda thought this given at 1430 my max is 7236 in timespy ,, better then 980sli apparently but not quite 1080 levels.
I'm loosing a bit because of the platform though, not too much,, yet.

 

[HD64G]

At 4K they are practically equal though on average. So, in some games better and in others worse. And at 1440P very close also. Always SLI and CF work best at higher resolutions.

 

[snakefist]

This is a card for professionals. It is not supposed to be a card for gamers (none of which would profit from 32Gb of fast memory). It's supposed to be supported in specialised software, where CF (on a single board) will be utilised, so gaming benchmarks aren't very relevant... A niche product.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah.... this is not giving me high hopes about vega...

Except that Vega has more TFlops (12-12.5) than this (11.45) with fewer stream processors and can reasonably have two on one card like this pumping a crazy 24-25 TFlops of data. Titan Xp is 12 TFlops...

I think producing RX 480, RTG discovered the design philosophy for 14nm GloFo didn't carry over from 28nm TSMC. Once they realized that, all of their efforts were poured into Vega. In the interim, all they managed to do was do some process tweaking to produce RX 580.

RTG has everything riding on Vega. This launch is to stop professionals from jumping ship: Titan Xp-like performance with significantly more memory and $200 cheaper. This card has deep learning written all over it.

 

[OneCool]

So they put on two slower gpu's and it better?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

If you have an application that can use dual GPUs and requires >12 GiB of VRAM, yes, it's better. You could always sell your first born ($10,000+) for a Tesla P100 (11.7 TFlop) but why when you could have 10 Polaris Duo cards (114.5 TFlop) for the same price?

 

[TheGuruStud]

If you have an application that can use dual GPUs and requires >12 GiB of VRAM, yes, it's better. You could always sell your first born ($10,000+) for a Tesla P100 (11.7 TFlop) but why when you could have 10 Polaris Duo cards (114.5 TFlop) for the same price?

Get out of here with your logic! You can only bash AMD, even when they release a great product at a fantastic price.

 

[Aenra]

I thought it best to come here and add my own constructive criticism.

I don't like the color.

(ergo) AMD sucks.

"One must above all be scientific my dear"

edit: on a serious note, has anyone used something like this? Am curious about their temps, what with just that fan on them.

 

[Foobario]

So they put on two slower gpu's and it better?

Maybe it's the drastically reduced TDP combined with a lower cost to manufacture as two Polaris die on 14nm is much cheaper to produce than two Fury die on 28nm.

This also moves more production to GLOFO (Polaris) from TMSC (Fury) which reduces penalty payments owed to GLOFO for using another foundry under their new wafer supply agreement.

The slight drop in TFLOPs doesn't change where this falls in professional landscape it is targeted for. It is now cheaper and more efficient for those that purchase in this segment.

 

[mroofie]

Speculation on Vega aside, that is a very attractive card.

$300 more for small performance boost(over Ti obviously) and 21GB vram

Meh..

 

[mroofie]

Maybe it's the drastically reduced TDP combined with a lower cost to manufacture as two Polaris die on 14nm is much cheaper to produce than two Fury die on 28nm.

This also moves more production to GLOFO (Polaris) from TMSC (Fury) which reduces penalty payments owed to GLOFO for using another foundry under their new wafer supply agreement.

The slight drop in TFLOPs doesn't change where this falls in professional landscape it is targeted for. It is now cheaper and more efficient for those that purchase in this segment.

Till it gets marketed as a gaming card then my post above applies

 

[EarthDog]

Its not a gaming card... who cares forngamong gents.

AMD is being super silent on Vega intentionally. Just look how scared NVIDIA is, releasing faster cards for no reason lol. A Ti card and two Titans. It's interesting they keep leaks so tightly secured for this one...

scared... lol, lemmings walking off the cliff following raevenlord in his news post i see...lololol!!!

 

[craigo]

Did anyone else think this when they saw the big R on the fan of the dual GPU card?

 

[nem..]

with nvidia to an similar price you got an 1060 5.3tflops (quadro P4000)

 

[efikkan]

It's strange they haven't made a RX580 X2 with RX480 clocks and 16GB of VRAM for the price point of a bit under GTX 1080. That could easily eat into the GTX 1080 segment. But strangely, they haven't done that.

No, it's not strange at all. Gaming and professional compute workloads scale completely differently. While rendering is a pipelined synchronized workload, many kinds of professional workloads can easily be divided into multiple independent chunks of work, and provided you have a fast enough CPU, enough PCIe lanes, etc. you can probably scale "perfectly" with two or more GPUs. Demanding users may run racks with 8/16 Titans or Teslas, sometimes even consumer grade GPUs. If the workload is completely independent, it also means the GPU memory is independent.

Gaming on the other hand scales very badly, so no informed person would choose to buy 2× RX 480 over GTX 1080.

 

[owen10578]

It's not a pro card... They simply branded it such because it doesn't compete on the gaming realm. It sits between gaming and pro, a prosumer card at best. There was no dual fury apart from the "pro" card and no dual rx480 apart from the "pro" card. Don't just swallow all the bs you hear because it is what you want to hear.



It is not baseless, they have yet to release anything faster than the first Pro duo in a single card form. They have historically released a dual card when they don't have a single card to do the trick.

Did you even read the article of the point of dual gpu cards? There is simply workloads that need 2 GPUs. Now if they released a dual GPU gaming card your theory would be more convincing.

Alright I see in games it doesn't exactly beat the 1080 at stock then but in benches it does and I'm running mine overclocked anyways.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Is it? Capitalizing would be selling GTX 1080 for same price for longer. Not releasing Ti for no real reason and ANOTHER Titan. Again, for no real reason. They are just tossing out money, making their expensive cards redundant. They could go reactive, if AMD released Vega and it proved to be unusually faster, they could respond with Ti or new Titan and take the crown from there in a moment.

The Vega has been planned for 1H 2017 for ages, so there is no way they were not prepared and they just blindly released those because they already had them in the pipeline.

Or, perhaps, nvidia saturated the 1080 market since AMD didnt bother competing at all, and nvidia decided to lower the price to entice the rest of the market that hadnt upgraded and corner AMD into a tiny market in the process. If VEGA is 1080 level, the market will be full of 1080 users who upgraded a year ago, and will have no incentive to buy vega, or people will expect vega to be substantially cheaper due to higher heat output, and AMD will make no money. .

Same as GOTY edition games. lower price with DLC, but not targeting the same gamers that buy games brand new at launch.

VR has been great. It is AMD has promised great software/driver support VR in advertising with NOTHING to back it up.

I have been working on a small VR demo. Getting any help from AMD is impossible. Their tech department never respond to any emails. Their tech support line knows nothing about their own LiquidVR.

Sounds like AMD's support for game devs. Developers always claimed AMD support was poor to non existent.