AMD Vega May Launch with Less Than 20,000 Units Available

[Vayra86]

Nobody knows the bare performance of this Vega HBM2 based card. So everyone's speculating and assuming it's in between the 1070 and 1080Ti. Who cares.

What we DO need is 2 competetive company's who create graphic cards which are both affordable (and i'm talking 150 ~ 300 range) and offers the best value related to performance. The high-end spot is only for a few people where we're talking 600 to 1200 for one single graphics card.

The RX480 was a very good product. Was on par and fast enough if you had a golden chip that went up to 1400Mhz. We need a chip from both camps that put the prices in a ideal spot. On paper vega looks promissing but we all need to await benchmarks before anyone can judge about it.

Ryzen is a decent (gaming) chip as well. It had a better 40% IPC compared to vishera and thus mission accomplished. You are buying 1000$ intel performance for 400$ these days. Be gratefull for having AMD up there bringing up great products.

I think you'll find the high end market covers far more % of the PC gaming population than you'd think and the market is also shifting towards lower volume and higher price points. RX480 is the bottom of the stack for high end, you could say, but this is the performance level any PC gamer would start to consider / would find ideal to start with. Go lower and the choice is easy: you buy a console.

 

[Jism]

The last thing on my mind is a console. I grew up with UT99 / Quake 3 / MOH and all that stuff. It will never be close to gameplay on a console if you ask me. AMD does the right thing, create affordable CPU's & graphic cards which outdue the competition. And as long as AMD is producing, we're having a best value over time compared to the green or "intel" camp.

 

[idx]

People! calm down, I checked my cooking pot and I can confirm this is just a click-bait started to spread through 3 other websites ( I guess someone was hopping to make some drama specially on the market side on AMD). I'm 100% sure that VEGAs is faster than the GP104 and a little bit slower than the GP100 ( we will see.. right ?).

Chill ! people chill !

 

[Vayra86]

The last thing on my mind is a console. I grew up with UT99 / Quake 3 / MOH and all that stuff. It will never be close to gameplay on a console if you ask me. AMD does the right thing, create affordable CPU's & graphic cards which outdue the competition. And as long as AMD is producing, we're having a best value over time compared to the green or "intel" camp.

I completely agree with you, just pointing out that the market's changed from '99. Also, its just been a recent thing that the arena shooter is revived, before that we've had about two decades of consolified shooters to deal with. The PC definitely has its merits, but it caters to a somewhat different demographic and a lot of 'old gamers' are among them - generally these old gamers have some good money to spend on a system.

 

[Slizzo]

Laugh at the stupidity of that
Why would Nvidia Buy the CPU division of AMD
Apart from the TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY because
AMD CPU Division has its Value in its X86 License and cross licensing its x64 patents to Intel
If AMD gets Sold its Cross licencing Agreement with Intel ENDs no more X86 Licence
END OF YOUR JOKE

Just realize, that if x86 goes away from AMD in a sale, so does x86-64 go away from Intel in the same deal. So it would be likely that Intel would be hot on the heels of any new owner to set up cross licensing of those patents again. Else neither AMD NOR INTEL can make any CPUs that they currently have designed.

 

[Manu_PT]

I'll still beat you any day of the week on a 120hz VA and 40 bucks Zowie mouse.

If you think gear is a factor in actually competing, you're deluded. That's why I know I'll beat you. 240hz is a placebo and this is pretty easy to see. You are convinced its not, which is exactly why its called a placebo.

Show me a dataset that proves 240hz gaming matters for the K/D ratio compared to a 120hz gamer, and you'll win this. Otherwise, its BS. Simple. Because there is actual data that proves 120hz has merit versus 60hz.

0,7ms oscilloscope measured monitor LMAO

Gaming NIC *ROFLMAO* this is actually proven to be counterproductive compared to the regular Intel or Qualcomm.

Let's do a 1v1 on BO3 or somethin then. Shoot your steam ID. 240hz is recent, no stats yet but you can see OW pros already migrating to it (benq xl2540). Check on youtube how they show it is better.

And g403 rapes any zowie mice. Sensor too good. Until you give your steam id dont even bother to reply[/QUOTE]

 

[Manu_PT]

I think you'll find the high end market covers far more % of the PC gaming population than you'd think and the market is also shifting towards lower volume and higher price points. RX480 is the bottom of the stack for high end, you could say, but this is the performance level any PC gamer would start to consider / would find ideal to start with. Go lower and the choice is easy: you buy a console.

According to steam stats you are wrong. Entry level budget gpu (including igp) dominate the charts

 

[RejZoR]

Actually, 240Hz is not a placebo. It just doesn't make you play better as such. It does make image sharper during fast movement.

 

[Manu_PT]

And it increases your aim with lower frame times (half of 120hz) and better motion clarity

 

[efikkan]

>120 Hz might be smooth and all, but at those rates you'll be bottlenecked by the game engine, driver and OS latency.

 

[Octopuss]

I might just have a hot candidate to add to the ignore list (which I don't feed very often).

 

[ratirt]

It doesn't work that way. Except for using exclusive intrinsics (which there are few of) there are really few ways to optimize for specific CPUs, so games usually aren't. Rendering though, is a pipelined workload with heavily parallel steps, optimizing is usually about calibrating buffer sizes, batching, etc. and of course sometimes exclusive GPU features.

Well sorry to be the bearer of bad news but yeah it does. You must be a programmer probably since you think you know that much I'm sure you are but i got a different approach sorry

Actually, 240Hz is not a placebo. It just doesn't make you play better as such. It does make image sharper during fast movement.

and smoother I think but that's just an impression

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Why is that racist and what happened to free speech?

Free speech means the government cant arrest you for saying it.

It doesnt mean that users on a privately owned site have to tolerate whatever comes from your mouth, or respect it in any way.

 

[ratirt]

Free speech means the government cant arrest you for saying it.

It doesnt mean that users on a privately owned site have to tolerate whatever comes from your mouth, or respect it in any way.

Free speech means that whatever you say nobody gives a damn

EDIT: ain't that right ?

 

[Divide Overflow]

Come on guys. Thought yall could spot a troll by now. I've been training yall for years. I'm disappointed.

Another forum community goes toxic for the Lolz.

 

[sergionography]

If it can be patched so easily, then why are Ryzen CPUs still under-performing badly in most games? It's not simple you know. The CPUs have been out for 3 months and they still haven't fixed their bad gaming performance problem. The problem is not software, it's the Ryzen CPUs. More specifically, the problem is the cross CCX latency in all current Ryzen CPUs.

What problems exactly? Being 10-15% behind a 7700k in lowly threaded games isnt exactly a problem lol. I have a ryzen 7 1700 and i dont even find a need to overclock as everything runs perfect, definitely an upgrade over the i5 in my previous system

 

[RejZoR]

Free speech means the government cant arrest you for saying it.

It doesnt mean that users on a privately owned site have to tolerate whatever comes from your mouth, or respect it in any way.

People love to apply that idiotic logic, until it starts affecting them. Then they flip the logic 180° just so it fits their agenda again. Free speech is unconditional. Either there is one for everyone or there isn't one for everyone. There is no "but's" and "if's".

 

[T4C Fantasy]

What the hell is going on in this thread...

Orgasms

 

[medi01]

Free speech means the government cant arrest you for saying it.

It doesnt mean that users on a privately owned site have to tolerate whatever comes from your mouth, or respect it in any way.

That's a copypasta BS used to justify banning people one doesn't like.

No, it's not like that, there is nothing about "government" in free speech.
With mass media in US being exclusively non-governmental, it sounds particularly idiotic.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Anyway back to Vega.

Just one will do... sent to W1z for review.

Hopefully this will happen before man walks on Mars.

 

[Vayra86]

Anyway back to Vega.

Just one will do... sent to W1z for review.

Hopefully this will happen before man walks on Mars.

I asked Elon Musk yesterday and he did say Mars was a little bit closer.

 

[RejZoR]

Well, Vega is a bit further away than Mars so that makes sense...

 

[Gasaraki]

What gives you that idea? If they have the TDP set super low (exactly how the Nano was setup) the card will perform completely different than a card with a high clockspeed and higher TDP.

Remember the R9 Nano had a GPU clock of 1000mhz, 4096cu's and 4gb of 500mhz HBM, the Fury X had a GPU clock of 1050mhz, 4096cu's and 4gb of 500mhz HBM. 50mhz represented a 15% performance boost? No the 100w of TDP difference did. The nano would flag as a 1000mhz card in 3dmark, but only completed a tiny percent of the tests at that clockspeed, most of the time it spent running 875-950mhz, with dips to 700mhz.

If this SKU fills that same niche, expect a super low (100-150w TDP) and the card to only be running in the 1000-1100mhz range most of the time. There is already rumor of a very similar 3 card range as the Fury lineup.

And how many people care two shits about any of that? Nano was dead on arrival because a GTX970 was faster. AMD needs a high performing card, not another Nano or Fury X. They already have the R580.

 

[Gasaraki]

I'm just here to see which graphics card I will be purchasing next and all hell is breaking loose between the fanboys

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

 

[cdawall]

And how many people care two shits about any of that? Nano was dead on arrival because a GTX970 was faster. AMD needs a high performing card, not another Nano or Fury X. They already have the R580.

So AMD's numbers have improved over time and even on release day the Nano didn't perform worse than the 970 at any resolution. In fact it beat the 980 in any resolution someone spending $649 on a graphics card would spend.

Mind showing me a card that on release date provided the performance of a 980 to 980Ti on release date in the form fact of a GTX650?