Temperature Spikes Reported on Intel's Core i7-7700, i7-7700K Processors

[Bill_Bright]

If a processor is "marketed" for its overclocking features, then buyers should be able to overclock (within reason) without voiding the warranty. But what's "within reason"? I think to be fair and to protect both the maker and the consumer, the overclocking limits/specs should be published too. And if a user pushes beyond those specs, then and only then should voiding the warranty be an issue.

If the processor is not marketed as supporting overclocking, then IMO, it is fair to void the warranty if overclocked.

I think if you delid any processor, you automatically take matters into your own hands and accept the fact you have voided the warrant as that is clearly an unauthorized modification.

 

[EarthDog]

I think if you delid any processor, you automatically take matters into your own hands and accept the fact you have voided the warrant as that is clearly an unauthorized modification.

You do. Delidding isnt covered in the overclocking plan.

 

[Bill_Bright]

You are right and I know delidding voids the warranty. I did not word that right. My "I think" was meant to mean delidders must accept they void the warranty.

You can buy a new Porsche and race it down the street and your warranty is still good. But if you modify the engine then race it, you are on your own.

 

[64K]

 

[EarthDog]

LOL, +1... and I do it, a lot, too!!

 

[Bill_Bright]

But cars are not - when done in the right context. In this case, it was about warranties and how unauthorized modifications void the warranty. Sorry if you cannot see how the comparison works.

What if I told you making posts for the sole purpose of criticizing others is stupid because it just degrades threads and contributes nothing for the OP?

 

[EarthDog]

Heh, I guess you can't see the humor (though I see your point...)... have a little fun Grandpa Bill!

He's dropped that meme on others before... don't feel singled out.

(unsubscribed so I don't have to hear a repeated explanation...note)

 

[Bill_Bright]

Oh, my reply was not taken as a joke? Wonder why?

For the record, I have seen the anti-car comment before - but it didn't apply then as it didn't apply now. Analogies have been used for centuries because they work. Most people are familiar with cars. And using cars would be better than saying replacing the trigger kit on a G17 with an aftermarket kit voids the warranty too. People also seem to forget that not everyone reading and following these threads are advanced users.

 

[trparky]

If a processor is "marketed" for its overclocking features, then buyers should be able to overclock

I'd have to agree with you on that. Intel really screwed the pooch here.

Not only has Intel been given a whammy by AMD but they also managed to shoot themselves in the foot. Good going Intel. Now all they need to do is bring out the RPG to shoot their foot clean off and we'll all have fun.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Not only has Intel been given a whammy by AMD but they also managed to shoot themselves in the foot.

If I had to guess, it was company lawyers doing the shooting - though the marketing dept might want to keep out of sight for away.

That said, not sure AMD did much here as the Ryzens have not yet proven themselves to be the king of the hill - yet. Intel still has the much deeper pockets and resources. And they sure don't want to get spanked by AMD as happened in the past when it took almost 8 years to recover. So don't count Intel down for the count yet.

 

[trparky]

Pissing off enthusiasts like they just have is usually not a good thing to do. Yeah, probably the feckless lawyers did that.

 

[64K]

If I had to guess, it was company lawyers doing the shooting - though the marketing dept might want to keep out of sight for away.

That said, not sure AMD did much here as the Ryzens have not yet proven themselves to be the king of the hill - yet. Intel still has the much deeper pockets and resources. And they sure don't want to get spanked by AMD as happened in the past when it took almost 8 years to recover. So don't count Intel down for the count yet.

As would I and there will probably be news soon of a miraculous breakthrough in 10nm manufacturing and Intel will Ryzen-above AMD as per usual.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Pissing off enthusiasts like they just have is usually not a good thing to do.

I agree. They probably should have stopped production and pulled the processors from from the shelves, then rebranded and repackaged them with specific limited OC capabilities. It would still have been a PR nightmare, but perhaps not as bad.

...and Intel will Ryzen-above AMD as per usual.

lol

 

[fusseli]

I haven't noticed any temp spikes but I've only been running a few days. Stock vcore and 4.6 is all I have tried and it idles in the 20s. A big upgrade from my fx8350 at 4.4.

I have noticed fan throttling up and down quickly but I'm not sure I can rule out Asus bugs at this point. I have been having fan problems on my z270h, Asus software doesn't work and overrides its own bios fan control and sets the case fans at 100%. Really annoying, but uninstalling AI Suite fixed it and bios qfan works again. It's the latest bios, 906 I think.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Sure, cherry picking, there you go:

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/11/amd_ryzen_5_1600_1400_cpu_review/4

that´s how you effectively test a CPU. Before you jump saying "no one plays at such conditions" let me remind you of 144hz and 240hz gaming, where all the fps are important.

You don't want to go there, b/c, well....have you seen the quake 2 software rendering benches? LOL.
AMD doesn't have (probably over) 8 years of optimization for EVERYTHING.

There's a lot more in the tank, but getting the bums to do it is going to be painful.

 

[revin]

There was a couple members that had this very issue after launch and they got rid of the systems because of it.
They even quoted some reviewers that had had the same issue at that time so not sure why it's news now if it was already starting on launch of the chip then there must have been a batch or something that has some issue involved either still ongoing or the batch is showing up with complaints more often now.
Would like to know if there was a combination of M/B with the chips that are most prone to the spiking, or the batch numbers.........................................................OTOH others here had no issues and still don't

 

[Prima.Vera]

This is a very big issue imo. Not sure why users are not bitching more about Intel regarding this. Maybe not enough have bought this useless CPU? (Useless compared with the previous gen)

 

[ratirt]

For me this is not an issue cause I don't own 7700K But I feel the pain of others having this problem. Buying "K" series to OC and then producer say don't do it because its overheating or something. Bummer really.

 

[mcraygsx]

For me this is not an issue cause I don't own 7700K But I feel the pain of others having this problem. Buying "K" series to OC and then producer say don't do it because its overheating or something. Bummer really.

Maybe we should ask for a refund for False Advertisement. Obviously "K" series are targeted towards Enthusiasts who love overclocking.

 

[EarthDog]

Sweet lord...sucked back in..lol

Maybe we should ask for a refund for False Advertisement. Obviously "K" series are targeted towards Enthusiasts who love overclocking.

Ironic you agreed with dave post, and mine, which is more or less a polar opposite.

Intel has never really supported overclocking or helped with it. Sure, they unlocked a few cpus, but, they dont support it. For a price you can still warranty it.

Think of it another way, does Honda support modifying thier engines? Or are 3rd parties doing it? (Yay more car analogies!). You get into a liabilty issue if you support running anythimg outsoie of its specifications. Makes sense, their stance.

Oh, my reply was not taken as a joke? Wonder why? .

ha, lol, with respect, it was more because of your dry personality that tends to come across on here...

 

[ratirt]

Sweet lord...sucked back in..lol


Ironic you agreed with dave post, and mine, which is more or less a polar opposite.

Intel has never really supported overclocking or helped with it. Sure, they unlocked a few cpus, but, they dont support it. For a price you can still warranty it.

Think of it another way, does Honda support modifying thier engines? Or are 3rd parties doing it? (Yay more car analogies!). You get into a liabilty issue if you support running anythimg outsoie of its specifications. Makes sense, their stance.

Cars again? really? Intel stated that "K" series CPU's with unlocked multiplayer are for overclocking enthusiasts. (From that you know they do support it cause it's unlocked). Never heard that Honda would allow to modify cars in a 3rd party(none of the manufacturers allow it) warehouse but you can modify it with Honda mechanics which can make all the adjustments you want and would even advise which way you should go.
Don't make an example with cars if you don't know how to use those or when the example you give is simply not in the right place.

 

[Caring1]

Think of it another way, does Honda support modifying thier engines? Or are 3rd parties doing it? (Yay more car analogies!). You get into a liabilty issue if you support running anythimg outsoie of its specifications. Makes sense, their stance.

Both actually, Honda modifies, and third parties modify, all covered by warranty. Car analogies aren't always suitable.

 

[EarthDog]

Honda refused to tell me anything more than public specs or help with my b16a2. I had to do everything (sleeving, boosting, tuning etc, third party. No warranties. Has that changed since 15 years ago? My analogy was applicable 15 years ago. Lol!

But car analogies suck... lol

 

[ratirt]

Honda refused to tell me anything more than public specs or help with my b16a2. I had to do everything (sleeving, boosting, tuning etc, third party. No warranties. Has that changed since 15 years ago? My analogy was applicable 15 years ago. Lol!

But car analogies suck... lol

Maybe it's country dependent. Come to think of it INTEL's global and it's statement is global as well. No matter of countries in terms of the "K" series.

 

[EarthDog]

Dont know.. I just know they wouldn't touch my 2000 Civic Si and I had a fist full of cash...multiple dealerships said to hit 3rd party tuners, so I did.

As far as Intel, again, I understand, they allow it (with a K processor), but do not SUPPORT it. If they supported it, then they would be liable. Makes complete sense to me. I also see where people are coming from though... why would they allow it, but not support it?