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The Slumbering Giant Wakes: Intel to Introduce 18-core X-Series Processors?

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Good thing is there are a large portion of PC users that can perfectly utilize the increased number of cores.

"Large number" as in compared to the population of Malta or "large number" as in a large part of PC users in total? Yes to the former and no to the latter.
 
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Intel has announced the 18-core behemoth. Read here. Relevant PDFs can be found linked to the article.
 

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That's tray price, retail is 2100 it seems.
Do the people who would buy a chip like this even want to overclock. I know this is an enthusiast site where a lot of people overclock but I don't think it's very common outside of sites like this.
Without solder the clocks will be very mediocre for 10 cores & above plus it'll get toasty real quick, it isn't confirmed yet so I wouldn't diss Intel atm, then again chipzilla doesn't have history on it's side.
 
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With the amount of R& D money they have, which is more than AMD costs almost, they research and develop whole families of things that individual parts need to be adjusted and "new" product can be put into production, if necessary....yes.
Anyone believing Intel spend billions on making CPUs they don't sell is clearly clueless.
These CPUs were planned >2 years ago. Months before launch Intel can still calibrate the clocks, and in the last weeks they can only adjust the price.

They already have this up their sleeves. There's no reason to release it unless they have competition. Without ryzen all you'd be seeing is an i7 8700k 4 cores 8 threads at 4.7ghz instead of this. You'd get a tick tock cycle forever and they'll just keep more moneys to themselves since they dont have to spend on research and innovation.
Your arguments are faulty. Intel previously released 8 and 10 cores without any competition. You are also forgetting that Intel still have no competition in HEDT, Threadripper is not released yet.
 

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Nope , you're wrong, and the CPU situation is completely different to the GPU situation. The 1080Ti was always going to come, Nvidia have had a Ti version for years.

More CPU cores was only going to come when there was a need, and AMD forced that need.

Easy on the fella. He's reaching for any argument lest he has to back peddle.
 
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Anyone believing Intel spend billions on making CPUs they don't sell is clearly clueless.
These CPUs were planned >2 years ago. Months before launch Intel can still calibrate the clocks, and in the last weeks they can only adjust the price.


Your arguments are faulty. Intel previously released 8 and 10 cores without any competition. You are also forgetting that Intel still have no competition in HEDT, Threadripper is not released yet.
Well technically the R7, 1700 & upwards, are eating Intel's HEDT for lunch & dinner. HEDT was an artificial segmentation & the 4 core HEDT are an abomination, just goes to show that Intel isn't thinking straight.

If they mess this launch up by going TIM, even on some of the lowe(er) end chips, it'll just show their arrogance & how they treat their subjects.
 
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Well technically the R7, 1700 & upwards, are eating Intel's HEDT for lunch & dinner. HEDT was an artificial segmentation & the 4 core HEDT are an abomination, just goes to show that Intel isn't thinking straight.

If they mess this launch up by going TIM, even on some of the lowe(er) end chips, it'll just show their arrogance & how they treat their subjects.
Better cores always trumps more cores, so even i7-6800K beats Ryzen 7 1800X overall, and is a better buy. i7-7800X is not going to be anything lesser of a CPU.
 

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These CPUs were planned >2 years ago. Months before launch Intel can still calibrate the clocks, and in the last weeks they can only adjust the price.
Nobody said they weren't planned for someday, so relax. You are getting bent out of shape over something as if you are a major investor in Intel.

It is the TIMING of the release which was prompted in the months before, since corporate espionage is such that each side knows most of what the other is doing. This would not have seen production until much later if not for AMD. It is a RESPONSE release. Nvidia did it last year too. 1060 was planned for release eventually, but not when it was. That part got quickly rushed to production because of the RX 480 release.

I'm not sure what your background is, and so won't assume. It may interest you to know that corporations research and develop technologies and products all the time that either don't see the light of day or are delayed for years till release.
 
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It is the TIMING of the release which was prompted in the months before, since corporate espionage is such that each side knows most of what the other is doing. This would not have seen production until much later if not for AMD. It is a RESPONSE release.
That's rediculous.
Even if they have a completed design, it takes 5-6 months from starting the production of a batch until it sits in nice boxes, and that's assuming they have free production capacity. Skylake-X models was designed long before the rumors of Threadripper, anyone claiming otherwise is clueless.

Nvidia did it last year too. 1060 was planned for release eventually, but not when it was. That part got quickly rushed to production because of the RX 480 release.
No, they can't rush the production of chips, that's impossible. GP106 and GP104 was taped out at the same time. GTX 1060 released inside the release window. Release windows does have some weeks of wiggle-room, but that's about it.
 

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That's rediculous.
Even if they have a completed design, it takes 5-6 months from starting the production of a batch until it sits in nice boxes, and that's assuming they have free production capacity. Skylake-X models was designed long before the rumors of Threadripper, anyone claiming otherwise is clueless.


No, they can't rush the production of chips, that's impossible. GP106 and GP104 was taped out at the same time. GTX 1060 released inside the release window. Release windows does have some weeks of wiggle-room, but that's about it.
Sigh.....carry on in your fantasy world that is devoid of any corporate reality experience.

No hard feelings, you just wore my head out beating it against your wall.

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Sigh.....carry on in your fantasy world that is devoid of any corporate reality experience.
You are the one disregarding the evidence.
Nvidia didn't rush GP106, it was launched with good availability, and outsold RX 480 by a factor of 4-5×. RX 480 hardly hit the top 20 sales at Amazon, etc.
 
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Do the people who would buy a chip like this even want to overclock. I know this is an enthusiast site where a lot of people overclock but I don't think it's very common outside of sites like this.
Same thought.
People tend to forget TPU is one of the largest PC-enthusiast sites today. The reason why we feel surrounded by people overclocking 10-core Intel workstation CPUs is simple: most of them might be here. :)
In reality these CPUs will be put in workstations (far more likely business solutions than privately owned) and no one will care about their OC potential.

I've seen a very similiar effect on a major photography equipment site: dpreview.com. This site gives you an option to choose your gear from a list, so it can provide some statistics. Few years back (when mirrorless was slowly rising from shadows) dpreview statistics were showing some mirrorless models being as popular as mainstream DSLRs, while in reality DSLRs were outselling them by 2 orders of magnitude. And of course an active dpreview poster is more likely to own a $2000 pro camera than a $400 model. :)

In fact I wish TPU would rebuild the "system specs" idea to something more controllable. Sure, it's not easy to list everything available (although pcpartpicker is doing pretty well), but at least the CPU, Mobo and GPU boxes could be list-based.
 

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Somebody please explain to this man that Nvidia had given us no clue as to 1060 release date or of its specs. RX 480 gets released and all of a sudden Nvidia is announcing 1060 and pushing up the planned release time.

I'm done in here. I come to TPU for fun, not get into arguments with people who get offended if you look crosswise at their favorite brand.
 
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Ryzen AIO's and laptops look pretty cool!

Skylake-x looks meh.
 
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Anyone believing Intel spend billions on making CPUs they don't sell is clearly clueless.
These CPUs were planned >2 years ago. Months before launch Intel can still calibrate the clocks, and in the last weeks they can only adjust the price.


Your arguments are faulty. Intel previously released 8 and 10 cores without any competition. You are also forgetting that Intel still have no competition in HEDT, Threadripper is not released yet.


Nope. What you dont get is they would still sell you the same 8 or 10 core with the same high price. Maybe increase the clockspeed next generation like always. Ryzen is already competing with the HEDT. Threadripper is just setting the MOAR COARS bar higher.
 
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Nope. What you dont get is they would still sell you the same 8 or 10 core with the same high price. Maybe increase the clockspeed next generation like always. Ryzen is already competing with the HEDT. Threadripper is just setting the MOAR COARS bar higher.
Do you even listen to yourself?
Haswell-E introduced 8 cores to HEDT, Broadwell-E introduced 10 cores, Haswell-E also significantly lowered the price of 6-cores, all of this without any competition from AMD. AMD has not competed in the high-end since the days of Athlon64.
But you guys keep crediting AMD anyway…
 
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Do you even listen to yourself?
Haswell-E introduced 8 cores to HEDT, Broadwell-E introduced 10 cores, Haswell-E also significantly lowered the price of 6-cores, all of this without any competition from AMD. AMD has not competed in the high-end since the days of Athlon64.
But you guys keep crediting AMD anyway…

Do you listen to yourself? Do you love the tick tock money grabbing intel does? What I'm saying is you'd get the same 6, 8, 10 cores if amd did not release something to compete them with. No matter the argument people who can buy these asttonomical prices would still buy them just because it is intel.
 
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I'm glad for the competition between all of them. (AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA)
More is happening these days and it's a good time to be a consumer.
 
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Those Asrock boards though, they're looking mighty fine.
 
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Intel is playing cat-and-mouse with AMD, as is appropriate when you are 20x the size of your prey. They don't want to kill it and end the fun, but they're not gonna let it steal much cheese, either. No doubt Intel could've released these at any time, but no point until now (now that lots of clueless young "enthusiasts" are convinced they "need moar cores" to be cool and edgy). Sad...
 
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